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  • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
    That's right. The power of paperwork. That's why making DNA test as the determinant of citizenship is quite ridiculous.

    It can determine parentage but not the citizenship.
    Even more ridiculous once you learn that indigenous Taiwanese , Malagasy people, Chamorros, people from Sulawesi will be labeled as "Filipino and Austronesian" by DNA tests.

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    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
      While some might think we're discussing un important things and semantics , it REALLY is NOT in the context of arguing an individual like Clarkson should really be able to play based on meron dugong Pinoy with no establish document to support his parents or grand parents were ever Philippine citizens . It matters alot . and it makes the efforts to get Clarkson exempted quite a joke , really.
      Clarkson's mother was still recognized by our law as Filipino because she didn't perform a performative action to say he would relinquish her Filipino Citizenship. Hence, Clarkson, upon birth, could be recognized as Filipino. That's why he has a Filipino passport.

      Did someone told you otherwise.

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      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

        I think we have a lot of Aetas who don't have birth certificates as of this moment. So even if perhaps they do make late registration, how will authorities determine that yung parents nila are Filipinos since there's no document to confirm it.

        I say our authorities just assume nalang that since the Aeta tribe is very much identified as Filipinos & since those Aetas have lived in this country for several years, then they should be considered Filipino citizens.
        You're correct. A lot of people loss their birth certificate during WW2 and also a lot didn't register their birth. PSA will investigate and talk to people in your village to find out if you have been living in the Philippines. It is not an exact science but unless some other documents that you are not a Filipino like Alice Go then PSA will approve your status.

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        • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
          On my part, I want us to use our citizenship laws into our advantage. Our own domestic laws play a factor here since one cannot secure a passport or a document without compliance of laws, rules or orders. Other countries do it so should we.

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          These documentation even becomes more important for those people abroad claiming PH citizenship. There is a way higher chance that one loses their PH when abroad than when living in the PH0

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          • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
            That's right. The power of paperwork. That's why making DNA test as the determinant of citizenship is quite r!diculous.

            It can determine parentage but not the citizenship.
            Even more absurd once you learn that indigenous Taiwanese , Malagasy people, Chamorros, people from Sulawesi will be labeled as "Filipino and Austronesian" by genetic tests.​

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            • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
              On my part, I want us to use our citizenship laws into our advantage. Our own domestic laws play a factor here since one cannot secure a passport or a document without compliance of laws, rules or orders. Other countries do it so should we.

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              You did not answer the question. Since you claimed earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is having a natural-born parent, then it follows that JBLs natural-born citizen grandkids will be "dugong Pinoy"

              If you exempt JBLs grandkids from "dugong Pinoy", this just shows that your interpretation of "dugong Pinoy" is not based on being natural born but is in relation to ethnicity or even race. This belies your claim earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is in relation to being "natural born citizens".

              And JBLs case is not "special". Many ethnic Chinese had parents or even grandparents who naturalized. The only difference is JBL is of Black American origin

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              • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                That's like saying "pure" ethnic Chinese should not be Filipinos because their "tribe" is from China, not the Philippines
                Bro, you're missing my point. Your problem is you're digging deeper than U should. My point there was in the absence of documents or material proof that these indigenous people as well as their parents are/were Filipinos, our authorities would just assume that they are legit Filipino citizens becoz they belong to a tribe being identified as to have existed in the Philippines since time immemorial. This is a special case becoz if our authorities would not consider them Filipinos then they must be deported.

                For U to conclude that its me like saying pure ethnic Chinese should not be considered Filipinos because their tribe is from China is a complete non sense becoz that's not what I'm implying.

                BTW, how can I not consider some ethnic Chinese living here in the Philippines not Filipino citizens when I'm aware that Chinese are part of ethnic minority here in the Philippines? Kaya nga may China Town tayo eh. Even in our province marami talaga dito ang full-blooded Chinese who are legit Filipino citizens.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                  Clarkson's mother was still recognized by our law as Filipino because she didn't perform a performative action to say he would relinquish her Filipino Citizenship. Hence, Clarkson, upon birth, could be recognized as Filipino. That's why he has a Filipino passport.

                  Did someone told you otherwise.
                  The official records in immigration database says otherwise, the family actually has made a declaration as part of US home land security that they have no known citizenship other than US . For whatever reason that i won't disclose i have visibility of the records. This is what people are not aware of when providing documents for application approval, verification isn't based on authentication of the document itself (e.g. Mircochip etc ) but actual matching with international intelligence records, FIBA central based in Switzerland as a partner of the shared information records had access to the database. The information is the basis of verification on matter such as visa application and a like

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                  • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                    Based on MVP spending and doing everything for Gilas, I think it easy to side with the notion that they did push it but FIBA didn't allow Koume to be local. What logical reason would MVP had to not pushed for Koume.
                    They did initially , i actually prepared the case points for Ange that were presented to MVP and then SBP , but moved was put on hold , when Tab was replaced as Program director, rest is history . Ange case was never eventually pushed through , instead they focused on JC

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                    • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                      You did not answer the question. Since you claimed earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is having a natural-born parent, then it follows that JBLs natural-born citizen grandkids will be "dugong Pinoy"

                      If you exempt JBLs grandkids from "dugong Pinoy", this just shows that your interpretation of "dugong Pinoy" is not based on being natural born but is in relation to ethnicity or even race. This belies your claim earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is in relation to being "natural born citizens".

                      And JBLs case is not "special". Many ethnic Chinese had parents or even grandparents who naturalized. The only difference is JBL is of Black American origin
                      I think that the post is not intended on me. hehe
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                      • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                        Even more absurd once you learn that indigenous Taiwanese , Malagasy people, Chamorros, people from Sulawesi will be labeled as "Filipino and Austronesian" by genetic tests.​
                        actually based on NBTC eligibility rules , which states as long as you can present evidence that one's ancestor lived in what was once considered the Philippines. all of them are approved as eligible to play in NBTC , now you know why you can have a Hepa, Jaylen Green etc in the NBTC , it's crazy stretch of scope when you say anyone with dugong pinoy is filipino lol

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                        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                          The official records in immigration database says otherwise, the family actually has made a declaration as part of US home land security that they have no known citizenship other than US . For whatever reason that i won't disclose i have visibility of the records. This is what people are not aware of when providing documents for application approval, verification isn't based on authentication of the document itself (e.g. Mircochip etc ) but actual matching with international intelligence records, FIBA central based in Switzerland as a partner of the shared information records had access to the database. The information is the basis of verification on matter such as visa application and a like
                          Just checking, you have access to immigration documentation? Are you an immigration officer or something.

                          Still is declared as a Filipino by our laws.

                          Still why did Qatar Harris get approved compare to JC. Its a retorical question.

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                          • These FIBA rules on eligibility makes me believe that the notion that Filipinos are not genetically built for basketball should be debunked.

                            You can make a foreigner eligible as local since there is way to make them like that. We can identify 4 Fil-Foreign teens and process their passports right away. Then a naturalized player. The rest are homegrowns.

                            Now, you a 12-man roster out of that.
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                            • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                              These FIBA rules on eligibility makes me believe that the notion that Filipinos are not genetically built for basketball should be debunked.

                              You can make a foreigner eligible as local since there is way to make them like that. We can identify 4 Fil-Foreign teens and process their passports right away. Then a naturalized player. The rest are homegrowns.

                              Now, you a 12-man roster out of that.
                              given the rules, the bold part should be the focus of the SBP , the thing is the rules have been well established for 15 years now , yet we have failed to adopt. And it's not like we cant process their passport eventually when an incentive is provided ( look at how many players have had their passport processed for UAAP and PBA when an incentive is given) , problem is processign came late. (so not eligbile

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                              • What do you think will be the latest rankings of Gilas after their huge win vs NZL? Remember, beating higher rank team means higher points in ranking point system.. Can we outrank China and Iran before Fiba Asia comes? That's why our meeting vs NZL again in February is huge especially in rankings because beating NZL again especially in road will give us more huge points since what I know winning on a road game against higher rank team will get double points in ranking system... And with Iran lose to Qatar, their ranking points will decrease...

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