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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostWhile some might think we're discussing un important things and semantics , it REALLY is NOT in the context of arguing an individual like Clarkson should really be able to play based on meron dugong Pinoy with no establish document to support his parents or grand parents were ever Philippine citizens . It matters alot . and it makes the efforts to get Clarkson exempted quite a joke , really.
Did someone told you otherwise.
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
I think we have a lot of Aetas who don't have birth certificates as of this moment. So even if perhaps they do make late registration, how will authorities determine that yung parents nila are Filipinos since there's no document to confirm it.
I say our authorities just assume nalang that since the Aeta tribe is very much identified as Filipinos & since those Aetas have lived in this country for several years, then they should be considered Filipino citizens.
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Originally posted by ja.he View PostOn my part, I want us to use our citizenship laws into our advantage. Our own domestic laws play a factor here since one cannot secure a passport or a document without compliance of laws, rules or orders. Other countries do it so should we.
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Originally posted by ja.he View PostThat's right. The power of paperwork. That's why making DNA test as the determinant of citizenship is quite r!diculous.
It can determine parentage but not the citizenship.
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Originally posted by ja.he View PostOn my part, I want us to use our citizenship laws into our advantage. Our own domestic laws play a factor here since one cannot secure a passport or a document without compliance of laws, rules or orders. Other countries do it so should we.
If you exempt JBLs grandkids from "dugong Pinoy", this just shows that your interpretation of "dugong Pinoy" is not based on being natural born but is in relation to ethnicity or even race. This belies your claim earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is in relation to being "natural born citizens".
And JBLs case is not "special". Many ethnic Chinese had parents or even grandparents who naturalized. The only difference is JBL is of Black American origin
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Originally posted by Artek View Post
That's like saying "pure" ethnic Chinese should not be Filipinos because their "tribe" is from China, not the Philippines
For U to conclude that its me like saying pure ethnic Chinese should not be considered Filipinos because their tribe is from China is a complete non sense becoz that's not what I'm implying.
BTW, how can I not consider some ethnic Chinese living here in the Philippines not Filipino citizens when I'm aware that Chinese are part of ethnic minority here in the Philippines? Kaya nga may China Town tayo eh. Even in our province marami talaga dito ang full-blooded Chinese who are legit Filipino citizens.
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Originally posted by zairex View Post
Clarkson's mother was still recognized by our law as Filipino because she didn't perform a performative action to say he would relinquish her Filipino Citizenship. Hence, Clarkson, upon birth, could be recognized as Filipino. That's why he has a Filipino passport.
Did someone told you otherwise.
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Originally posted by zairex View Post
Based on MVP spending and doing everything for Gilas, I think it easy to side with the notion that they did push it but FIBA didn't allow Koume to be local. What logical reason would MVP had to not pushed for Koume.
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Originally posted by Artek View Post
You did not answer the question. Since you claimed earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is having a natural-born parent, then it follows that JBLs natural-born citizen grandkids will be "dugong Pinoy"
If you exempt JBLs grandkids from "dugong Pinoy", this just shows that your interpretation of "dugong Pinoy" is not based on being natural born but is in relation to ethnicity or even race. This belies your claim earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is in relation to being "natural born citizens".
And JBLs case is not "special". Many ethnic Chinese had parents or even grandparents who naturalized. The only difference is JBL is of Black American originAttack
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Originally posted by Artek View Post
Even more absurd once you learn that indigenous Taiwanese , Malagasy people, Chamorros, people from Sulawesi will be labeled as "Filipino and Austronesian" by genetic tests.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
The official records in immigration database says otherwise, the family actually has made a declaration as part of US home land security that they have no known citizenship other than US . For whatever reason that i won't disclose i have visibility of the records. This is what people are not aware of when providing documents for application approval, verification isn't based on authentication of the document itself (e.g. Mircochip etc ) but actual matching with international intelligence records, FIBA central based in Switzerland as a partner of the shared information records had access to the database. The information is the basis of verification on matter such as visa application and a like
Still is declared as a Filipino by our laws.
Still why did Qatar Harris get approved compare to JC. Its a retorical question.
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These FIBA rules on eligibility makes me believe that the notion that Filipinos are not genetically built for basketball should be debunked.
You can make a foreigner eligible as local since there is way to make them like that. We can identify 4 Fil-Foreign teens and process their passports right away. Then a naturalized player. The rest are homegrowns.
Now, you a 12-man roster out of that.Attack
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Originally posted by ja.he View PostThese FIBA rules on eligibility makes me believe that the notion that Filipinos are not genetically built for basketball should be debunked.
You can make a foreigner eligible as local since there is way to make them like that. We can identify 4 Fil-Foreign teens and process their passports right away. Then a naturalized player. The rest are homegrowns.
Now, you a 12-man roster out of that.
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What do you think will be the latest rankings of Gilas after their huge win vs NZL? Remember, beating higher rank team means higher points in ranking point system.. Can we outrank China and Iran before Fiba Asia comes? That's why our meeting vs NZL again in February is huge especially in rankings because beating NZL again especially in road will give us more huge points since what I know winning on a road game against higher rank team will get double points in ranking system... And with Iran lose to Qatar, their ranking points will decrease...
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