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Originally posted by Athrunzala View PostIf a foreigner was both born and raised in the Philippines, isn't it FIBA automatically recognizes that person as a Filipino citizen?
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Originally posted by Athrunzala View PostIf a foreigner was both born and raised in the Philippines, isn't it FIBA automatically recognizes that person as a Filipino citizen?"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
Well, but there are those indigenous tribes here in the Philippines who have no documents that will prove that they are Filipino citizens.
I think they will be considered Filipino citizens becoz they belong to a tribe that is idenfied as having been existing here in the Philippines. It is assumed nalang that the parents of these people are Filipinos.
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
Well, but there are those indigenous tribes here in the Philippines who have no documents that will prove that they are Filipino citizens.
I think they will be considered Filipino citizens becoz they belong to a tribe that is idenfied as having been existing here in the Philippines. It is assumed nalang that the parents of these people are Filipinos.
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On my part, I want us to use our citizenship laws into our advantage. Our own domestic laws play a factor here since one cannot secure a passport or a document without compliance of laws, rules or orders. Other countries do it so should we.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
Even in that case , there is documentation (pictures in the Philippines) that they're based in the Philippines, now if someone who's ancestor moved overseas, and can't show any documentation he's really from that tribe. then wala. the bottomline is there has still to be a form of verifiable proof document to one's roots
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I'd like to point put that at one point in time, the Philippines was at one time following Jus Soli. So everyone born in the Philippines are citizens. It was only on the Commonwealth era that this change. So if your family has been in the PH before the 1930s, you are a citizen.
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Originally posted by Artek View Post
Will you recognize Brownlee's grandkids as having "dugong Pinoy" because they will be natural-born Filipinos even if JBLs children marry a fellow Black American but decides to keep and pass their PH citizenship?
A child of a naturalized citizen is a natural-born citizen.
I'm not complicating things. That is how the law works.
My mom is a naturalized Filipino even if her parents were natural-born Filipinos. Why? My grandfather became a naturalized US citizen and at the time of her birth, dual citizenship was NOT allowed so my mom was registered as a US citizen, not Filipino citizen. My mom naturalized as Filipino so she can take a board exam."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Hagop u16 rule is so brilliant that it acts to filter out mercenaries to be classified as local. Countries should spend and develop players.
I blame our federation for not convincing u16s hoopers to get passports. Thats the least they could do.
Also lets not kid ourselves. FIBA gave qatar this special exemptions because they are hosting the world cup.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostBTW to add , we also don't even know if Koaume's exception is even being perued , so it's pointless to compare with a harris, as Harris case for exception was filed and pushed , not necessarily true for Kouame.
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Originally posted by Artek View Post
Like which tribe? Care to specify? The lack of documentation has more to do with economic standing than indiginiety. There are many non-indigenous people whose parents did not bother to register them. Again, this is why the late registration exist. It is to accomodate these people.
That's like saying "pure" ethnic Chinese should not be Filipinos because their "tribe" is from China, not the Philippines
I say our authorities just assume nalang that since the Aeta tribe is very much identified as Filipinos & since those Aetas have lived in this country for several years, then they should be considered Filipino citizens."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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One has to realize this. FIBA is not probably looking for lineage because what they is the federation itself and its program. So whoever comes out in that program, naturalized or otherwise, they are part of products of the program.
For instance, Abasi spent most of his life in Taiwan. FIBA sees him as a product of Taiwan - of the federation and its program. Same with Newsome, since he is already here for a long period of time, FIBA deems him a part of Philippines's product.
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