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  • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

    That's right. The power of paperwork. That's why making DNA test as the determinant of citizenship is quite ridiculous.

    It can determine parentage but not the citizenship.
    Even more ridiculous once you learn that when Taiwanese aboriginals, Malagasy people, Chamorros, people from Sulawesi will be labeled as "Filipino and Austronesian" by DNA tests.

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    • Originally posted by Athrunzala View Post
      If a foreigner was both born and raised in the Philippines, isn't it FIBA automatically recognizes that person as a Filipino citizen?
      Like Alex Campton? not if he can't get a Philippine passport

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      • Originally posted by Athrunzala View Post
        If a foreigner was both born and raised in the Philippines, isn't it FIBA automatically recognizes that person as a Filipino citizen?
        FIBA does not decide what citizenship a player is. It will be the country's laws. I think you might be referring to when FIBA will recognize one as a "local player" or a " naturalized" player. But that will also be dependent on a country's citizenship laws
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        • Originally posted by Athrunzala View Post
          If a foreigner was both born and raised in the Philippines, isn't it FIBA automatically recognizes that person as a Filipino citizen?
          I think FIBA would recognize that player as a local Filipino player but since jos soli does not apply to us, that person is not a Filipino citizen. I think that is the case of Alex Compton. He was born here in the Phi (both his mom & dad are not Filipinos), but he is not recognize as a Filipino citizen
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

            Well, but there are those indigenous tribes here in the Philippines who have no documents that will prove that they are Filipino citizens.

            I think they will be considered Filipino citizens becoz they belong to a tribe that is idenfied as having been existing here in the Philippines. It is assumed nalang that the parents of these people are Filipinos.
            Even in that case , there is documentation (pictures in the Philippines) that they're based in the Philippines, now if someone who's ancestor moved overseas, and can't show any documentation he's really from that tribe. then wala. the bottomline is there has still to be a form of verifiable proof document to one's roots

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            • Originally posted by Athrunzala View Post
              If a foreigner was both born and raised in the Philippines, isn't it FIBA automatically recognizes that person as a Filipino citizen?
              He needs a PH passport if he wants to have fighting chance to be exempted.
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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                Well, but there are those indigenous tribes here in the Philippines who have no documents that will prove that they are Filipino citizens.
                Like which tribe? Care to specify? The lack of documentation has more to do with economic standing than indiginiety. There are many non-indigenous people whose parents did not bother to register them. Again, this is why the late registration exist. It is to accomodate these people.

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                I think they will be considered Filipino citizens becoz they belong to a tribe that is idenfied as having been existing here in the Philippines. It is assumed nalang that the parents of these people are Filipinos.
                That's like saying "pure" ethnic Chinese should not be Filipinos because their "tribe" is from China, not the Philippines

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                • On my part, I want us to use our citizenship laws into our advantage. Our own domestic laws play a factor here since one cannot secure a passport or a document without compliance of laws, rules or orders. Other countries do it so should we.

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                  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                    Even in that case , there is documentation (pictures in the Philippines) that they're based in the Philippines, now if someone who's ancestor moved overseas, and can't show any documentation he's really from that tribe. then wala. the bottomline is there has still to be a form of verifiable proof document to one's roots
                    This is true. I have Igorot relatives abroad who cannot claim PH citizenship because their parents were no longer PH citizens and their indiginiety does not exempt them

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                    • I'd like to point put that at one point in time, the Philippines was at one time following Jus Soli. So everyone born in the Philippines are citizens. It was only on the Commonwealth era that this change. So if your family has been in the PH before the 1930s, you are a citizen.



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                      • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                        Will you recognize Brownlee's grandkids as having "dugong Pinoy" because they will be natural-born Filipinos even if JBLs children marry a fellow Black American but decides to keep and pass their PH citizenship?

                        A child of a naturalized citizen is a natural-born citizen.

                        I'm not complicating things. That is how the law works.

                        My mom is a naturalized Filipino even if her parents were natural-born Filipinos. Why? My grandfather became a naturalized US citizen and at the time of her birth, dual citizenship was NOT allowed so my mom was registered as a US citizen, not Filipino citizen. My mom naturalized as Filipino so she can take a board exam.
                        Brownlee's case being a naturalized Filipino citizen his child or children becoming a natural born Filipinos, I think its a special case. That's why we have a strict & lengthy naturalization process that it have to either go thru a legislative process or by means of a presidential decree. Hindi tayo basta basta naga grant ng Filipino naturalization citizenship without strong justification. And most natiralized Filipinos we have now were granted Pinoy citizenship becoz they will be of significant help for our sports as in the cases of Chip Engelland, Marcus Douthit, Dray Blatche, Brownlee, Akiko Thompson.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • Hagop u16 rule is so brilliant that it acts to filter out mercenaries to be classified as local. Countries should spend and develop players.

                          I blame our federation for not convincing u16s hoopers to get passports. Thats the least they could do.

                          Also lets not kid ourselves. FIBA gave qatar this special exemptions because they are hosting the world cup.

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                          • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                            BTW to add , we also don't even know if Koaume's exception is even being perued , so it's pointless to compare with a harris, as Harris case for exception was filed and pushed , not necessarily true for Kouame.
                            Based on MVP spending and doing everything for Gilas, I think it easy to side with the notion that they did push it but FIBA didn't allow Koume to be local. What logical reason would MVP had to not pushed for Koume.

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                            • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                              Like which tribe? Care to specify? The lack of documentation has more to do with economic standing than indiginiety. There are many non-indigenous people whose parents did not bother to register them. Again, this is why the late registration exist. It is to accomodate these people.

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                              That's like saying "pure" ethnic Chinese should not be Filipinos because their "tribe" is from China, not the Philippines
                              I think we have a lot of Aetas who don't have birth certificates as of this moment. So even if perhaps they do make late registration, how will authorities determine that yung parents nila are Filipinos since there's no document to confirm it.

                              I say our authorities just assume nalang that since the Aeta tribe is very much identified as Filipinos & since those Aetas have lived in this country for several years, then they should be considered Filipino citizens.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • One has to realize this. FIBA is not probably looking for lineage because what they is the federation itself and its program. So whoever comes out in that program, naturalized or otherwise, they are part of products of the program.

                                For instance, Abasi spent most of his life in Taiwan. FIBA sees him as a product of Taiwan - of the federation and its program. Same with Newsome, since he is already here for a long period of time, FIBA deems him a part of Philippines's product.

                                That's how I think FIBA sees it.
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