FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[JAMSKIE]

Some people might be thinking you're too technically legal here, but in reality you're NOT. especially if you look at it from a different perspective , if all those people with so called ancestry race decent are really legally Filipino. then the over 1 billion Chinese ethnicity outside of China ( 2nd and 3rd generation children of a migrant in 1900's or earlier are legally Chinese , (that would be ridiculous) and 90 % of NBA player who are of African ethnicity should be able to play for an African nation of their choice .

Bro, nobody here is saying that citizenship should be determined by race or ethnicity. My GOD, U have dug too deep on the ground nah! That's not some posters here including myself are implying.

Surmaryusep!

[Artek]

fblood ties it would simply mean a person's blood relation to a certain citizenship.

Care explain? Because no matter how one turns the world upside down, Filipino citizenship is NOT based on blood. It is based on, as DAdmiral says, paperwork.

I don't want to go deeper as to mention ethnicity or race because it would only complicate things.

Then why are you insisting on "blood ties"? National borders are political, not really racial. For 100,000 years humans have been moving around. Citizenship is political.


[Quote]I just would like to make it as simple as it can get.[/quotey

The simplest way is accepting the legal definition of Filipino - being a citizen of the country. There is no mention of "blood ties" in our citizenship laws.

For instance, a Chris Newsome who is considered a Fil-American as his father is an American ( most likely an Afro-american) and his mother being a natural born Filipino. Now that's what makes Chris Newsome having blood ties with Filipino

That is not "blood". That is how citizenship works.

Kung sa salitang kalye, meron syang dugong Pinoy. Now it doesn't matter that Chris Newsome's mother is of Malay descent or of Chinse descent or of Spanish descent (as we all know we Filipinos are mixture of various races), what is important is she is a natural born Filipino citizen.

You are confusing yourself by using "bloodline" at the same time rejecting Malay, Chinese, European, etc.

Being a natural born Filipino is just really a technical definition. It means that a citizen who wasn't naturalized but derived from the

Now compare that to the case of say a Justin Brownlee who is a naturalized Filipiino. Brownlee has no Filipino blood ties becoz both his parents are Americans (most likely both are Afro-americans). Wala syang dugong Pinoy.

Again, what is "dugong Pinoy"? Sure, JBL is naturalized and assuming he also applies for his children's derivative citizenship, his grandchildren will be **natural born citizens** because they inherited the PH citizenship of the parent. Filipino citizen "by default". Would you recognize JBLs grandkids as "dugong Pinoy" if say, they marry a fellow Black American but holding dual US-PH citizenship?

Let's just keep it plain and simple & let's not be so particular about semantics because we are not in a Courtroom or any tribunal. Even foreign coaches and players, when you mention "blood ties", they already know what you are implying. They won't demand any explaination about what U mean by that term.

Sticking to the legal definition of being Filipino (being a citizen of the PH) is the simplest definition. No "bloodline", "dugong Pinoy" which are **abstract*. While defining being Filipino based on citizenship and not caring about "bloodline" is clearcut.

[Silent Killer]

Tim Cone will not take bait of Jared McCain. lols

no one will.. even he admitted he has 10% Filo blood, they won’t dare tap his services

[Artek]

Bro, nobody here is saying that citizenship should be determined by race or ethnicity. My GOD, U have dug too deep on the ground nah! That's not some posters here including myself are implying.

Surmaryusep!

Then, what is bloodline again? Dugong Pinoy?

You are confused because you don't want to recognize that being Filipino is really just being a citizen of the PH and is largely a case of having the "paperwork" to prove one has valid claim to PH citizenship. yet you say that it is also not race or ethnicity. The therm bloodline is almost always used in conjunction with race or ethnicity

"Filipino bloodline" does not exist and is a mere abstract concept.

[JAMSKIE]

[QUOTE=Artek;n2469415]

Care explain? Because no matter how one turns the world upside down, Filipino citizenship is NOT based on blood. It is based on, as DAdmiral says, paperwork.




Then why are you insisting on "blood ties"? National borders are political, not really racial. For 100,000 years humans have been moving around. Citizenship is political.

I just would like to make it as simple as it can get.[/quotey

The simplest way is accepting the legal definition of Filipino - being a citizen of the country. There is no mention of "blood ties" in our citizenship laws.



That is not "blood". That is how citizenship works.





You are confusing yourself by using "bloodline" at the same time rejecting Malay, Chinese, European, etc.

Being a natural born Filipino is just really a technical definition. It means that a citizen who wasn't naturalized but derived from the



Again, what is "dugong Pinoy"? Sure, JBL is naturalized and assuming he also applies for his children's derivative citizenship, his grandchildren will be **natural born citizens** because they inherited the PH citizenship of the parent. Filipino citizen "by default". Would you recognize JBLs grandkids as "dugong Pinoy" if say, they marry a fellow Black American but holding dual US-PH citizenship?






Sticking to the legal definition of being Filipino (being a citizen of the PH) is the simplest definition. No "bloodline", "dugong Pinoy" which are **abstract*. While defining being Filipino based on citizenship and not caring about "bloodline" is clearcut.

All these questions you raised only confirms that you are indeed very particular about semantics.

No need to explain because even a tambay sa kanto who can understand simple English will simply understand what I'm implying.

[Artek]

no one will.. even he admitted he has 10% Filo blood, they won’t dare tap his services

Does he even have a claim to PH citizenship? Was one of his parents a PH citizenship when he was born? If not, he's not going to be able to join Gilas because in the first place, the DFA will not issue him a PH passport unless he can prove that he has claim to PH citizenship.

He'll also have to go through the hoops of submitting his and his "Filipino" parent their birth certificates to get registered with the PSA.

[Silent Killer]

Does he even have a claim to PH citizenship? Was one of his parents a PH citizenship when he was born? If not, he's not going to be able to join Gilas because in the first place, the DFA will not issue him a PH passport unless he can prove that he has claim to PH citizenship.

He'll also have to go through the hoops of submitting his and his "Filipino" parent their birth certificates to get registered with the PSA.

you have to go thru some different constitutions for that to approve.. even markanich bros are having a technicality issues because their parent is born prior or around 1973 RP constitution

[thatweirdguy]

no one will.. even he admitted he has 10% Filo blood, they won’t dare tap his services

Unless he plays JCs role as our NP?

[Silent Killer]

Unless he plays JCs role as our NP?

rather get boogie ellis or ron harper jr. than McCain..

[Artek]

[QUOTE=JAMSKIE;n2469419]

Care explain? Because no matter how one turns the world upside down, Filipino citizenship is NOT based on blood. It is based on, as DAdmiral says, paperwork.




Then why are you insisting on "blood ties"? National borders are political, not really racial. For 100,000 years humans have been moving around. Citizenship is political.




All these questions you raised only confirms that you are indeed very particular about semantics.

No need to explain because even a tambay sa kanto who can understand simple English will simply understand what I'm implying.

The fact that you cannot even give a concrete description of what a "Filipino bloodline" is shows how confused are you on what makes a Filipino. You don't even know how to describe what makes someone a Filipino

All you have to do is read the citizenship laws.

After all, if the PH government does not recognize one as a PH citizen because they did not meet the requirements that will allow them to claim PH citizenship, any talk about "Filipino bloodline" is moot. You will not be recognized as a PH citizen, you will not be issued passport and in effect, you cannot represent the Philippines in tournaments. This is why semantics is very important. You can't just go to the DFA or consulate and apply for passport and say "I am Filipino because my grandmother was from the Philippines". You have to prove that your parent was still a PH citizen to be recognized as a Filipino

The simplest way to understand being Filipino is not through bloodline. But if they meet the criteria of what a Filipino is based on our citizenship laws.

[Artek]

you have to go thru some different constitutions for that to approve.. even markanich bros are having a technicality issues because their parent is born prior or around 1973 RP constitution

Shh! Don't tell them about that. The 1987 citizenship laws alone is confusing to them.

[JAMSKIE]

Artek

May I ask, what would be the basis of determining Filipino citizenship of someone who is a member of an indigenous tribe in an isolated forested area in the Philippines.

Eh walang birth certificate yung mga tao sa tribe na yun. For sure jos soli won't apply becoz Philippine citizenship laws doesn't recognize jos soli.

As U & DAdimaral say, citizenship is mainly about documents & it has nothing to do with blood ties, ethnicity or race.

[JAMSKIE]

Then, what is bloodline again? Dugong Pinoy?

You are confused because you don't want to recognize that being Filipino is really just being a citizen of the PH and is largely a case of having the "paperwork" to prove one has valid claim to PH citizenship. yet you say that it is also not race or ethnicity. The therm bloodline is almost always used in conjunction with race or ethnicity

"Filipino bloodline" does not exist and is a mere abstract concept.

I said blood ties. He has dugong Pinoy because one of his/her parents or both his parents are natural born Filipinos. It's as simple as that. And that's exactly what I'm implying. Everybody will understand what I'm implying because it's a common term being used in the Philippines. It only became complicated because people like U have been very particular about semantics.

[Artek]

Artek

May I ask, what would be the basis of determining Filipino citizenship of someone who is a member of an indigenous tribe in an isolated forested area in the Philippines.

Paperwork. Why do you think we have late registration and have lax rules when it comes to "hilot" assisting their mothers in giving birth. It is to make it easy for them to register. (Which some foreigners learned how to exploit)

Also, being indigenous is not about "bloodline" but it is defined by culture and ties to the land. Hispanized lowland Filipinos and "indigenous hill tribes" share the same genetics. The difference is largely cultural.

Eh walang birth certificate yung mga tao sa tribe na yun. For sure jos soli won't apply becoz Philippine citizenship laws doesn't recognize jos soli.

As U & DAdimaral say, citizenship is mainly about documents & it has nothing to do with blood ties, ethnicity or race.

Again, refer to the late registration. Also, many indigenous people have paperwork. Just because one is part of the indigenous community does not mean they are detached from modern civilization. Many "non-indigenous" from the Hispanized areas of the Philippines do not have access to modern amenities. This isn't a phenomenon exclusive to the "indigenous people"

Note: I am of Igorot (Ibaloi) descent so I know a lot about being indigenous. I can talk about the NCIP, IPRA, issues on ancestral lands if you want. But that is digressing a lot.

[Artek]

I said blood ties. He has dugong Pinoy because one of his/her parents or both his parents are natural born Filipinos. It's as simple as that. And that's exactly what I'm implying. Everybody will understand what I'm implying because it's a common term being used in the Philippines. It only became complicated because people like U have been very particular about semantics.

Will you recognize Brownlee's grandkids as having "dugong Pinoy" because they will be natural-born Filipinos even if JBLs children marry a fellow Black American but decides to keep and pass their PH citizenship?

A child of a naturalized citizen is a natural-born citizen.

I'm not complicating things. That is how the law works.

My mom is a naturalized Filipino even if her parents were natural-born Filipinos. Why? My grandfather became a naturalized US citizen and at the time of her birth, dual citizenship was NOT allowed so my mom was registered as a US citizen, not Filipino citizen. My mom naturalized as Filipino so she can take a board exam.