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Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post
Can tell from the username you're a kariton pusher that doesn't know what neocolonialism and the process of decolonization is. Also 'Austronesian' is a language group, not a race, there are Austronesian speakers in Madagascar and its people are Africans.
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Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post
Being Chinese is also a nationality as China also has hundreds of many different ethnic groups that happen to be dominated by the Han. Being Chinese means you might be ethnically Uighur, Mongol, or even Manchu. Mengke Bateer is an ethnic Mongolian and Abdurixit is ethnic Uighur yet they're still "Chinese".
At least for Chinese Malaysians and Chinese Filipinos who are of "pure" Han Chinese descent, they have been in the Philippines for 3 - 4 generations - that's 100 years of their families being rooted in the country.
I'd love to see this guy complain about Chiu and Go having represented the Philippines and tell them they should go represent the PRC.
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.
Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.
Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia
Quinito even suggested DNA test to replace the Hagop rule. We might as well import Indonesians, Malagasy, African Americans who have 0.5% Filipino or Mexicans with 1% "Filipino DNA" to the National Team.
This obsession is "blood" was what led to the Fil-Sham controversy in the 2000s. Sonny Alvarado almost got away with it.
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Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post
Oh Lord, this couldn't be further from the truth. Austronesian culture predates Malay culture and the migration of Austronesians started in Taiwan then to the Philippines before spreading to the rest of the Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific region. Modern-day Indonesians, Malaysians, Polynesians, and Micronesians are in fact descendants of Austronesian peoples who first settled in the Philippines.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostIf Qatar ia using contribution to the growth to basketball in Qatar as reason ( investing in camps etc and bringing the NBA to Qatar), , then that would be like if Clarkson was based in Philippines and led player development for the SBP.
Contribution to Advancement of basketball is actually in the FIBA guidelines as one of the reasons for exceptions
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostJust me , for Gilas I like the competition provided by the likes of Cambodia and Qatar using "questionable eligible players ' competition is always good, we should be at peace with just doing things our way, regardless if rival countries take advantage of the rules.
Are we really so paranoid with Qatar and Cambodia? Really now
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Originally posted by Artek View Post
I wonder if there happens to be a talented Chinese-American in the US who is of "pure" Chinese descent but with parents coming from the Philippines. I wonder how will they apply this "blood thing"/ancestry logic when if you have this dude get a 23andMe DNA test, he will come out as 0% Filipino.
Quinito even suggested DNA test to replace the Hagop rule. We might as well import Indonesians, Malagasy, African Americans who have 0.5% Filipino or Mexicans with 1% "Filipino DNA" to the National Team.
This obsession is "blood" was what led to the Fil-Sham controversy in the 2000s. Sonny Alvarado almost got away with it.
this Data count is just for legitimate Chinese Naitonals , not mere blood enthnicity , there obviously more than 5 M Chinese Americans in the US. so this isn't really limited to "inelgibles" , what i mean by that is this doesn't count 2nd or 3rd generation Chinese with no longer legal Chinese record documentation like Slow mo Anderson or Lin, and in our case most of our ineligibles.
People need to understand it's documented verified connection to a citizen , NOT biological connection to someone of a type of ethnicity. the latter is really irrelevant.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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BTW, speaking of the case of Qatar team in which majority of their players are foreigners, the current head coach of Qatar is Hakan Demir, who was the coach of Iran national team in last year's Asian Games. When Gilas beat Iran in the quarterfinals of last year's Asian Games, coach Hakan Demir complained that Gilas had lots of foreign players. Well, I would like to know what he has to say now that he is coaching a Qatar United Nations team made up of players from the US, Africa, Bosnia, Montenegro of no Qatari descent.
Watch the Press Conference following the game between Qatar and Iran at the FIBA Asia Cup 2025 Qualifiers. #asiacup►► Watch more than 2,500 live games for FR...
"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostBTW, speaking of the case of Qatar team in which majority of their players are foreigners, the current head coach of Qatar is Hakan Demir, who was the coach of Iran national team in last year's Asian Games. When Gilas beat Iran in the quarterfinals of last year's Asian Games, coach Hakan Demir complained that Gilas had lots of foreign players. Well, I would like to know what he has to say now that he is coaching a Qatar United Nations team made up of players from the US, Africa, Bosnia, Montenegro of no Qatari descent.
Watch the Press Conference following the game between Qatar and Iran at the FIBA Asia Cup 2025 Qualifiers. #asiacup►► Watch more than 2,500 live games for FR...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAjd1Pnc3fY
If he is talking about Ange and JBL, that's just 2/12. At least they have established ties to the PH through residency prior to becoming part of the NT. They were not even "hired" to be "mercenaries". They were imports and eventually had the potential to be part of the NT. Very far cry from what Qatar is doing.
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