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  • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

    You mean the 1987 constitution that replaced the 1972 constitution? The Americans have been away for 40 years when the 1987 Philippine constitution war written by an All-Filipino cast. Do you get your history lessons from Sangkay Janjan? lol
    Can tell from the username you're a kariton pusher that doesn't know what neocolonialism and the process of decolonization is there remains a lot of colonial influence in the constitution especially when it comes to religion, marriage and yes holdover ideologies from the Spanish administration who wanted to displace the natives. Also 'Austronesian' is a language group, not a race, there are Austronesian speakers in Madagascar and its people are Africans, at least that's what they identify with now in the age of nationalism.

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    • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post

      Can tell from the username you're a kariton pusher that doesn't know what neocolonialism and the process of decolonization is. Also 'Austronesian' is a language group, not a race, there are Austronesian speakers in Madagascar and its people are Africans.
      Malagasy was brought in by Austronesians who migrated from Borneo. The Merina people specifically. They are the largest ethnic group in Madagascar as well as the most influential so they can impose their language on non-Austronesian peoples.

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      • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

        Being Chinese is also a nationality as China also has hundreds of many different ethnic groups that happen to be dominated by the Han. Being Chinese means you might be ethnically Uighur, Mongol, or even Manchu. Mengke Bateer is an ethnic Mongolian and Abdurixit is ethnic Uighur yet they're still "Chinese".
        Dude even complained that MY team is mostly ethnic Chinese. He really isn't smart enough to know the difference between ethnicity and citizenship. The MY players are like 3rd, 4th generation Chinese Malaysian. Not different from Geo Chiu or Isaac Go. Definitely not comparable to what Qatar is doing - getting kids from abroad with zero ties to Qatar to be in their NT.

        At least for Chinese Malaysians and Chinese Filipinos who are of "pure" Han Chinese descent, they have been in the Philippines for 3 - 4 generations - that's 100 years of their families being rooted in the country.

        I'd love to see this guy complain about Chiu and Go having represented the Philippines and tell them they should go represent the PRC.

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

          Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.

          Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.
          Kouame should be in by now if not next year,there shouldn't be any question at all.

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

            Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.

            Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.
            It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia

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            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

              It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia
              I wonder if there happens to be a talented Chinese-American in the US who is of "pure" Chinese descent but with parents coming from the Philippines. I wonder how will they apply this "blood thing"/ancestry logic when if you have this dude get a 23andMe DNA test, he will come out as 0% Filipino.

              Quinito even suggested DNA test to replace the Hagop rule. We might as well import Indonesians, Malagasy, African Americans who have 0.5% Filipino or Mexicans with 1% "Filipino DNA" to the National Team.

              This obsession is "blood" was what led to the Fil-Sham controversy in the 2000s. Sonny Alvarado almost got away with it.

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              • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

                Oh Lord, this couldn't be further from the truth. Austronesian culture predates Malay culture and the migration of Austronesians started in Taiwan then to the Philippines before spreading to the rest of the Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific region. Modern-day Indonesians, Malaysians, Polynesians, and Micronesians are in fact descendants of Austronesian peoples who first settled in the Philippines.
                If any, we are their ancestors. Not the other way around

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                • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                  If Qatar ia using contribution to the growth to basketball in Qatar as reason ( investing in camps etc and bringing the NBA to Qatar), , then that would be like if Clarkson was based in Philippines and led player development for the SBP.

                  Contribution to Advancement of basketball is actually in the FIBA guidelines as one of the reasons for exceptions
                  Without them tapping on their long term resident migrants, basketball will not grow in Qatar. Even if their rankings improve, those hired mercenaries will go elsewhere once their tenure in Qatar is over.

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                  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                    Just me , for Gilas I like the competition provided by the likes of Cambodia and Qatar using "questionable eligible players ' competition is always good, we should be at peace with just doing things our way, regardless if rival countries take advantage of the rules.

                    Are we really so paranoid with Qatar and Cambodia? Really now
                    The problem with what they are doing is it is not fair to other nations trying to improve their basketball program without trying to do dodgy stuff. At least with Thailand, they are fielding legit diasporas, not mercenaries like what Cambodia and Qatar are doing.

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                    • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                      I wonder if there happens to be a talented Chinese-American in the US who is of "pure" Chinese descent but with parents coming from the Philippines. I wonder how will they apply this "blood thing"/ancestry logic when if you have this dude get a 23andMe DNA test, he will come out as 0% Filipino.

                      Quinito even suggested DNA test to replace the Hagop rule. We might as well import Indonesians, Malagasy, African Americans who have 0.5% Filipino or Mexicans with 1% "Filipino DNA" to the National Team.

                      This obsession is "blood" was what led to the Fil-Sham controversy in the 2000s. Sonny Alvarado almost got away with it.
                      The largest population of overseas Chinese in world #incredibleasia overseas chinese china (threads.net)

                      this Data count is just for legitimate Chinese Naitonals , not mere blood enthnicity , there obviously more than 5 M Chinese Americans in the US. so this isn't really limited to "inelgibles" , what i mean by that is this doesn't count 2nd or 3rd generation Chinese with no longer legal Chinese record documentation like Slow mo Anderson or Lin, and in our case most of our ineligibles.
                      People need to understand it's documented verified connection to a citizen , NOT biological connection to someone of a type of ethnicity. the latter is really irrelevant.​

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                      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                        It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia
                        I think SBP should move on from that Clarkson obsession & just focus on players which have a high possibility of getting an exception from FIBA. Clarkson is what, already 31 now? He has only a few years left of serviceability with Gilas. And of course, how many times na ba FIBA had said "no" on SBP's requests of granting Clarkson as exception? Wag na masyado makulit kasi! If you got busted 4 times already by your dream girl, its time to give it up. Hanap ka nalang ng ibang babae. SBP should set its sights on players who have very good chance of getting exceptions. I think Mike Philipps, Zave Lucero, Ange Kouame have good chances of getting a FIBA exemption. And those players could be of significant help for Gilas if they are declared as local players.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • BTW, speaking of the case of Qatar team in which majority of their players are foreigners, the current head coach of Qatar is Hakan Demir​, who was the coach of Iran national team in last year's Asian Games. When Gilas beat Iran in the quarterfinals of last year's Asian Games, coach Hakan Demir complained that Gilas had lots of foreign players. Well, I would like to know what he has to say now that he is coaching a Qatar United Nations team made up of players from the US, Africa, Bosnia, Montenegro of no Qatari descent.

                          Watch the Press Conference following the game between Qatar and Iran at the FIBA Asia Cup 2025 Qualifiers. #asiacup►► Watch more than 2,500 live games for FR...


                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                            BTW, speaking of the case of Qatar team in which majority of their players are foreigners, the current head coach of Qatar is Hakan Demir​, who was the coach of Iran national team in last year's Asian Games. When Gilas beat Iran in the quarterfinals of last year's Asian Games, coach Hakan Demir complained that Gilas had lots of foreign players. Well, I would like to know what he has to say now that he is coaching a Qatar United Nations team made up of players from the US, Africa, Bosnia, Montenegro of no Qatari descent.

                            Watch the Press Conference following the game between Qatar and Iran at the FIBA Asia Cup 2025 Qualifiers. #asiacup►► Watch more than 2,500 live games for FR...


                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAjd1Pnc3fY
                            Lmao. Those "foreign players" are technically natural-born Filipinos. They just grew up in the diaspora. Meanwhile, Qatar players are mostly people with zero ties - ethnicity or "migratory" to Qatar. What Qatar is doing is basically legalized human trafficking.

                            If he is talking about Ange and JBL, that's just 2/12. At least they have established ties to the PH through residency prior to becoming part of the NT. They were not even "hired" to be "mercenaries". They were imports and eventually had the potential to be part of the NT. Very far cry from what Qatar is doing.

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                            • Guys, where was AJ Edu during the HongKong game? I did not see him with the squad.
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                              • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                                Guys, where was AJ Edu during the HongKong game? I did not see him with the squad.
                                Injured.

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