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  • Originally posted by IPC

    FIBA uses a point system for standings, similar to football and rugby. 2 points for wins, 1 point for a loss, whether by default or by regular loss, 0 for loss by forfeit.

    Kazakhstan has 5 points thanks to the forfeit, India has 5. E, India just beat Kazakhstan this window and has a positive point differential against them. Kazakhstan won in Astana by 13, India won in Chennai by 19, giving India a point differential of +6.
    I think it will be use if both teams will tie in standings.. even in football, the first basis is the most number of wins first, then if there is a tie, point system will be basis...

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    • In group B and C, it is obvious that Guam and Taiwan will go thru final qualifying round, unless Mongolia and Hong Kong will upset them.. but I don't see that happening... Mongolia will play Guam in Mangilao.. Guam plays better at home than on the road, evident that they beat Taiwan once there and almost beat Japan few days ago.. while Hong Kong stands no chance vs Taiwan at any day...

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      • In Group D, It will be Iraq vs Palestine in the 3rd seed match.. Iraq won in their 1st meeting but Palestine have good performance last window, give Saudi and Jordan hard time and a competitive match.. Palestine needs to win 5 pts or more to advance, if not, even they win below that number, they will be out of the competition...

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        • In Group E, This will be likely the "group of death" group.. any team can beat each other.. with India won over Kazakhstan and Qatar beat Iran, the games in Group E is very exciting.. I still see Iran and Upgraded Qatar team qualify as 1st and 2nd seed for Asia cup qualifiers and Kazakhstan & India will fight for final qualifying round for 3rd placers...

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          • Originally posted by Artek View Post
            While mestizos is a mere term for someone who is racially mixed regardless of cultural orientation.
            let's not bullshit our way through life eh? Mestizo in the Philippine context refers exclusively to half white, half asian people. Peranakan doesn't have to be used in the context of Malaysia or Singapore, Filipinos can use that word to wrestle away from its racist eurocentric colonial past by putting emphasis on the 'asian' instead of the 'european'.

            I don't know how you got to the conclusion that I'm trying to advocate forgetting our "hispanic identity", I'm not talking about food, loanwords or way of dressing, the fact that you think overcoming the racist past of the Philippines(as a victim instead of the perpetrator) to raise the self-esteem of its brown Asian inhabitants is some form of cultural revisionism is concerning.

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            • And finally in Group F, with Lebanon already qualified, other 3 teams will fight for final spot for Asia cup slot and even for 3rd place slot.. Bahrain vs Syria and Syria vs UAE will be fun watching since it will determine who will get the 2nd seed.. I admit I was surprised of UAE upset win vs Bahrain.. I thought Bahrain will beat UAE easily but the latter proved us wrong... I think the UAE beat Bahrain is more shocking than Qatar beating Iran.. UAE is ranked 111 while Bahrain is 67.. No one will expect A low ranked team beat 44 places up team...

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              • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post

                Our main ancestors came from Indonesia,whose prehistoric ancestor are part Austronesians.
                Filipinos only identifies with Austronesians thru DNA,but while not exclusively "Malay," Filipinos have a strong Malay influence in their culture and genetics due to the migration.
                Oh Lord, this couldn't be further from the truth. Austronesian culture predates Malay culture and the migration of Austronesians started in Taiwan then to the Philippines before spreading to the rest of the Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific region. Modern-day Indonesians, Malaysians, Polynesians, and Micronesians are in fact descendants of Austronesian peoples who first settled in the Philippines.

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                • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post

                  Pardon me for talking about a topic way beyond basketball but I'm pretty sure our constitution was based on the colonizers who were hoping to replace the native population in the archipelago just like they did in Mexico and the entirety of South America. Of course it doesn't care about ethnicity
                  You mean the 1987 constitution that replaced the 1972 constitution? The Americans have been away for 40 years when the 1987 Philippine constitution war written by an All-Filipino cast. Do you get your history lessons from Sangkay Janjan? lol

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                  • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post

                    Pedantic, the word is still used in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, who tf are you to say it's antiquated. Maghalo ka na lang ng semento, hindi puro Qatar at kung ano anong kagaguhan yung iniisip mo
                    Says the dude who gets his history lessons from Sangkay Janjan. lol peranakan my a*s

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                    • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post

                      let's not bullshit our way through life eh? Mestizo in the Philippine context refers exclusively to half white, half asian people. Peranakan doesn't have to be used in the context of Malaysia or Singapore, Filipinos can use that word to wrestle away from its racist eurocentric colonial past by putting emphasis on the 'asian' instead of the 'european'.

                      I don't know how you got to the conclusion that I'm trying to advocate forgetting our "hispanic identity", I'm not talking about food, loanwords or way of dressing, the fact that you think overcoming the racist past of the Philippines(as a victim instead of the perpetrator) to raise the self-esteem of its brown Asian inhabitants is some form of cultural revisionism is concerning.

                      ​​​​​​Lol, what they call Peranakan in Singapore sre 95% Chinese. Peranakans have a SPECIFIC historical cultural context.

                      And here is the study showing the Singapore Peranakans are 95% Chinese.

                      A team of researchers from the Agency for Science, Technology and Research’s (A*STAR) Genome Institute of Singapore (GIS) analysed the genomes of 177 Singapore Peranakans.


                      Also, the shift of the term mestizo to mean half white is a recent phenomenon. For 300 years, it mostly refered to the mestizo de Sangleys/Chinese mestizo



                      The fact that use Malay to refer to Filipinos shows your ignorance.

                      Peranakan culture is a minority and SPECIFIC culture in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Southern Thailand (Phuket area). In the Philippines, the mestizo culture is the MAINSTREAM Filipino culture.

                      You're the one whose drinking the kool-aid of cultural revisionism.

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                      • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

                        You mean the 1987 constitution that replaced the 1972 constitution? The Americans have been away for 40 years when the 1987 Philippine constitution war written by an All-Filipino cast. Do you get your history lessons from Sangkay Janjan? lol
                        The dude is very delulu and probably have not read the citizenship laws and immigration policies of the country. Dude doesn't know how DIFFICULT it is to get a PR visa in the Philippines, and the naturalization process is also not easy and VERY EXPENSIVE. It's way easier and cheaper to be a US citizen.

                        The fact that he kept referring to Filipinos as "Malays" shows his ignorance. Even the natives of Sabah and Sarawak are NOT called Malays in Malaysia because they do not fit the cultural and religious description of being a Malay.
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                        • Originally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View Post

                          Oh Lord, this couldn't be further from the truth. Austronesian culture predates Malay culture and the migration of Austronesians started in Taiwan then to the Philippines before spreading to the rest of the Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific region. Modern-day Indonesians, Malaysians, Polynesians, and Micronesians are in fact descendants of Austronesian peoples who first settled in the Philippines.
                          This chart shows that Malays don't have the same genetic structure as Filipinos. We are way more Austronesian than them. There's a reason why Philippine languages preserved the Austronesian alignment/trigger system while this has been lost in Malay.



                          Malays my ass to him. We have more things in common genetically with the indigenous people of Taiwan than the Malays of Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Southern Thailand.

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                          • Moving on, one team to watch right now too in Thailand. They literally buried Indonesia with lots of points that some Indonesians were wondering if they played the Philippines or Thailand.

                            While it is evident that the addition of Bruenig really helped a lot, I think the bigger factor is Indonesia's team has weakened since the first window. Watching their game against Thailand, they didn't seem to have a defensive and offensive strategy other than iso-ball.
                            ​​​Not sure if it's a coach thing or a player thing for Indonesia. They also seem to have a bad choice when it came to the NP.

                            The only local from TH that I found really impressive is Jakrawan. But they still seem to be unable to go toe to toe with Korea yet (not counting AUS since they are an entirely different beast in the Asia region). Korea still overwhelmed them in Window 1. Must say that THA seem to have a very good coach now.

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                            • Originally posted by Artek View Post

                              The dude is very delulu and probably have not read the citizenship laws and immigration policies of the country. Dude doesn't know how DIFFICULT it is to get a PR visa in the Philippines, and the naturalization process is also not easy and VERY EXPENSIVE. It's way easier and cheaper to be a US citizen.

                              The fact that he kept referring to Filipinos as "Malays" shows his ignorance. Even the natives of Sabah and Sarawak are NOT called Malays in Malaysia because they do not fit the cultural and religious description of being a Malay.
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                              empyreanmaze has been spewing BS and fake news here lately. lol

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                              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                                Sir, why compare Philippine basketball from Qatar basketball? Qatar basketball has lots & lots of money while Philippine basketball has almost nothing.

                                Are U aware of what Qatar basketball did in the 2000's when it recruited quite a No. Of players from Africa (of no Qatari descent) then it gave them Qatari citizenship & have them play in the Qatar national team as local players? That's the reason Qatar was competitive in Asian basketball during the 2000's.

                                Qatar can do that because it has the money to draw or attract foreign players (of no Qatari descent) to play for the Qatar national team.

                                In Philippine basketball on the other hand, what we did (& still is doing) is to convince Fil-american or Fil-foreign players to play in the PBA so that in turn, they might play for the national team as in the cases of Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Kelly Williams, Gabe Norwood, etc. But those players are natural born Filipinos. Those African & Bosnian players playing & had played for the Qatar national team on the other hand are absolute foreigners of no Qatari descent & were just "converted" into Qatari locals.

                                My point here is that it's very hard to believe the possibility that if for instance Tyler Harris applied for or had obtained Qatari passport prior to his 16th b-day, it took so many years (Harris is already 31 yrs old by the way) before the Qataris were able to convince him to finally play for the Qatar national team as a local knowing how eager or determined the Qataris are in making their national team competitive. Remember that for several years now, Qatar basketball has struggled in Asian basketball. For sure Harris would have been a big help in making the team competitive if Harris had joined the team say 6 years ago.
                                My problem with what Qatar does is it resembles a legal form of human trafficking. What they are doing would be fine if they were naturalizing the non-Qataris who have been living in the country for many years. But what Qatar does is get bunch of kids from other countries who never even have any form of ties to Qatar.

                                I don't really have a problem with the Hagop rule. My problem is FIBA is not closing the loophole. Perhaps, requiring 50% of players have 10 years residency in the country to be considered local before 16 y/o would close this. That way, it will be problematic for Qatar to import bunch of 6 y/o from other countries.Force them to source their players from their existing migrant population.
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