FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[empyreanmaze]

An extreme end of ethnic-based qualification bordering on ignorance is the one on KBL that doesn't consider a pinoy player with one foreign parent as a Filipino imo. The Spanish created identity for Filipinos is becoming a problem now that the country is probably more than 90% of varying asian ethnicities.

[DAdmiral]

What Qatar is doing is more of legalized trafficking than being truly a "migrant country". You can't be a citizen there unless they want you for their national teams

Qatar is not even picking talents from the pool of migrant workers. What they are doing is going abroad, usually to Africa, and convincing these minors who have never been to Qatar to be part of the national team. That is the problem with what Qatar is doing. Despite having a large Filipino and Indian migrant workers, they are not tapping into these local-born foreigners to represent Qatar.

FIBA needs to really close the loophole. Perhaps, require that at least 50% of the national team are local-born even if they are "only" naturalized.

I kind of agree what Qatar is doing is dodgy with questionable values, (essentially buying players) but not violating FIBA rules and I agree there is always room for improving FIBA rules so as it rewards intended behaviour ( to develop within) . Generally though , while all rules aren't perfect and FIBA probably not close, FIBA eligibility rules are generally sound , the 15 years since it's existence (u16) , hasn't really seen anyone take advantage to the point where the world order of strong basketball nations is severely impacted . Still the nations that produce players generally are the more succesfull ones

[ARMIR]

An extreme end of ethnic-based qualification bordering on ignorance is the one on KBL that doesn't consider a pinoy player with one foreign parent as a Filipino imo. The Spanish created identity for Filipinos is becoming a problem now that the country is probably more than 90% of varying asian ethnicities.

A homogeneous belief of South Koreans that even KoreAms are not really Koreans since they weren't born in the country lol.Filipinos adapt on everything even the composition of our race.

[empyreanmaze]

A homogeneous belief of South Koreans that even KoreAms are not really Koreans since they weren't born in the country lol.Filipinos adapt on everything even the composition of our race.

Yeah extends beyond sports, Korea has this mentality where even Korean-Americans that can't speak Korean are somehow 'impure', even though they are fully ethnic Koreans with 2 Korean parents born in Korea another one is the classification of Japanese-Brazilians and Japanese people born in Japan. We don't experience these kind of problems, I'm sure if we have large Filipino enclave in Brazil, Gilas would almost be fully made up of Brazilian-Filipinos. A pinoy is a pinoy and I like that mentality and forgive me for using this disgusting archaic term but the pinoy identity is based on 'blood and soil' without the racism and xenophobia.

[Giannis34GOD]

If you look the UAE team, they have also 2 foreign players, but Mamadou Ndiaye granted local status because he stayed in UAE for more than 5 years, this is the difference between what UAE go thru process while Qatar is not... No one bats an eye with UAE because they go thru the perfect route of processing exemption cases....

[JAMSKIE]

If you look the UAE team, they have also 2 foreign players, but Mamadou Ndiaye granted local status because he stayed in UAE for more than 5 years, this is the difference between what UAE go thru process while Qatar is not... No one bats an eye with UAE because they go thru the perfect route of processing exemption cases....

Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.

Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.

[Rds]

I kind of agree what Qatar is doing is dodgy with questionable values, (essentially buying players) but not violating FIBA rules and I agree there is always room for improving FIBA rules so as it rewards intended behaviour ( to develop within) . Generally though , while all rules aren't perfect and FIBA probably not close, FIBA eligibility rules are generally sound , the 15 years since it's existence (u16) , hasn't really seen anyone take advantage to the point where the world order of strong basketball nations is severely impacted . Still the nations that produce players generally are the more succesfull ones

I agree with you on this. As I said, Hagop saved us from ourselves. Without Hagop we would not develop homegrowns or scout for young Filfors. We just get a good basketball player and produce a Filipino passport. The Philippine team will be composed with guys with Filipino passport but questionable connection to the Philippines. I know some here don't like to rehash Asi and his so called Filipina grand mother. Or you get a Penissi. For a time we had lots of so called Filfors who had a Philippines passport but with questionable origins. Our passport seems to be sold to the highest bidder. Like now with POGO people having birthplaces in the remotest barangays of our country.

Hagop actually saved us from ourselves. We actually have to develop players or identify them at a young age. I would rather have that than a team with people with tenuous connection to the country.

[Artek]

I kind of agree what Qatar is doing is dodgy with questionable values, (essentially buying players) but not violating FIBA rules and I agree there is always room for improving FIBA rules so as it rewards intended behaviour ( to develop within) . Generally though , while all rules aren't perfect and FIBA probably not close, FIBA eligibility rules are generally sound , the 15 years since it's existence (u16) , hasn't really seen anyone take advantage to the point where the world order of strong basketball nations is severely impacted . Still the nations that produce players generally are the more succesfull ones

If Qatar wasn't doing what it's doing, there should be no problem. The thing is, it's an open secret what Qatar is doing and FIBA is not closing the loophole.

[Artek]

I agree with you on this. As I said, Hagop saved us from ourselves. Without Hagop we would not develop homegrowns or scout for young Filfors. We just get a good basketball player and produce a Filipino passport. The Philippine team will be composed with guys with Filipino passport but questionable connection to the Philippines. I know some here don't like to rehash Asi and his so called Filipina grand mother. Or you get a Penissi. For a time we had lots of so called Filfors who had a Philippines passport but with questionable origins. Our passport seems to be sold to the highest bidder. Like now with POGO people having birthplaces in the remotest barangays of our country.

Hagop actually saved us from ourselves. We actually have to develop players or identify them at a young age. I would rather have that than a team with people with tenuous connection to the country.

People should be more upset about FIBA not closing the loophole more than the existence of Hagop rule. What they are doing is an open secret.

[Artek]

I agree with you on this. As I said, Hagop saved us from ourselves. Without Hagop we would not develop homegrowns or scout for young Filfors. We just get a good basketball player and produce a Filipino passport. The Philippine team will be composed with guys with Filipino passport but questionable connection to the Philippines. I know some here don't like to rehash Asi and his so called Filipina grand mother. Or you get a Penissi. For a time we had lots of so called Filfors who had a Philippines passport but with questionable origins. Our passport seems to be sold to the highest bidder. Like now with POGO people having birthplaces in the remotest barangays of our country.

Hagop actually saved us from ourselves. We actually have to develop players or identify them at a young age. I would rather have that than a team with people with tenuous connection to the country.

I agree that the Hagop rule forced us to focus on the grassroots program. My real issue here is FIBA has just let Qatar exploit this loophole for many years and are not closing the loophole. What they are doing feels like a form of legalized trafficking. Qatar tapping on their migrant population is one thing, but "importing" kids from Africa to represent their team is a whole new level.

[Artek]

Filipinos are considered to be primarily Austronesian, with a significant portion of their ancestry tracing back to the Malay people, which are also part of the Austronesian ethnic group; meaning Filipinos are essentially classified as Austronesians with Malay ancestry being a major component of their heritage.Our main ancestors came from Indonesia,whose prehistoric ancestor are part Austronesians.Filipinos only identifies with Austronesians thru DNA,but while not exclusively "Malay," Filipinos have a strong Malay influence in their culture and genetics due to the migration.

This is not true. Filipinos are the most Austronesian of Austronesian speaking people. Malay people as well as Sumatrans and Javanese are genetically half Austronesian, half Austroasiatic.

That's why I consider us using the malay word 'peranakan' instead of the spanish word 'mestizo' because it is more asian-centric than euro-centric,

This is so much impostoresque. One cannot deny that Filipino culture is a blend of Hispanic, Austronesian, and Sino cultures. Remove one component, it ceases to be Filipino culture.

Besides, Peranakan and mestizo don't have the same context. Peranakan literally means "local born". In Singapore, their Peranakans are 95% Chinese, 5% Malay. This ratio would not qualify as "mestizo" in the Philippines.

Peranakans are a distinct
cultural minority group in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Southern Thailand. While mestizos is a mere term for someone who is racially mixed regardless of cultural orientation. I'd even argue that the big difference between the PH and these countries is the mestizo culture became the national/mainstream culture that anyone exposed to it can become part of the community. This is not true for the case of the Peranakans. They are a specific ethnic group with specific history. Mixed Indonesians or Malaysian Malays who have a recent Chinese ancestor (say, a migrant from 1960) is not considered Peranakan. To be considered Peranakan especially in Malaysia and Singapore requires having a Chinese ancestor from the colonial and pre-colonial period. Post colonial ancestry are not usually considered Peranakan.

Peranakan and Mestizo are not interchangeable. Both have different cultural and historical meaning.

[sroth3839]

My wild prediction in the last window:

Kazakhstan will get eliminated.

They are very inconsistent and that loss by default to Iran will bite them back.

[Giannis34GOD]

My wild prediction in the last window:

Kazakhstan will get eliminated.

They are very inconsistent and that loss by default to Iran will bite them back.

The problem is that Kazakhstan has 2 wins, India has 1.. both will play Iran and Qatar.. both will likely lose, in the end India will be out.. India doesn't have a chance against either those two teams... If India is in group D or F, they can qualify..

[Giannis34GOD]

Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.

Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.

If SBP will aggressively lobby their status maybe they have a chance.. especially for Kouame, he's already in CTC's pool and who knows... Edu's health is always a concern, so maybe this will pull the trigger for SBP for possible Ange exemption case...

[Giannis34GOD]

In group A, It will be Korea vs Thailand, but since Thailand still have Australia as another opponent, Korea will likely get the 2nd seed.. but I love underdogs, I hope Thais will upset Koreans, I think this is the best time Thai can beat Korea, w/o naturalized player and have generation talent crisis, maybe they can possible upset Koreans.. Indonesia already open the formula how to match up vs Koreans, and Thais have better talent than Indonesia today, who knows... Who ever losses between them they still have a chance via final qualifying round for 3rd seeded teams...