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Well if that’s a case then it’s not only Remy will benefit from that technicality. Maybe there are more…
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If so then it has become obvious that the Qataris have always found ways to circumvent the FIBA rules on player eligibility. It would appear that the Qataris have easily outsmarted FIBA people. That is why I've said some years ago that the "passport before 16 yrs old" rule must only apply to natural born citizens (although of course citizenship laws of countries vary) of the country that a half-breed or a dual-citizen player wants to represent. Which means that the "passport before 16 years old" rule must only be applied to players whose parents (one of his/her parents) are legit citizen of that country. A player that is granted citizenship of a country in which none of his parents nor ancestors are citizens of that country must be classified as a "naturalized" player regardless of what age that player obtained passport of his adopted country. Hindi yung pag ang isang player, who is a complete foreigner(of no descent or bloodline of that country) to the country he wants to represent, eh nag apply or was granted passport prior to his 16th birthday, eh iko consider na ng FIBA na local player sya of that country. That's a total BS. And now we are seeing the ill effects of that defective rule. Such rule is subject to abuse.Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
Hence, those Bosnian & African players (of no Qatari descent) who obtained Qatari citizenship prior to their 16th birthday must be classified as naturalized players & not Qatari local players.
Time may come that the Qatari national basketball team would be composed of total "foreigners" or players of no Qatari descent. Baka out of the 12 players in the Qatar NT, 11 of which are Americans, Russians, Serbians, Africans (of no Qatari descent). And what if other countries, in particular the oil-rich Arab countries (remember they have the money), will do the same? What would Asian basketball look like?"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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In fairness to analyzed, some years ago he actually said that it is the date of the application of the passport & not the date of the issuance of passport which is the basis for the "passport before 16 years old" rule. He even said that Remy Martin is FIBA eligible becoz he applied for Philippine passport prior to his 16th birthday although such passport was issued after his 16th b-day.Originally posted by DenzelGreat8 View Post
The million dollar question is: Is Remy Martin really a FIBA eligible player? I mean, sure na ba tayo that he can play for Gilas as a local player?"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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With Bahamas I recalled it’s been discussed here before. All of their players has some Bahamian heritage including their NP (Eric Gordon) last Olympic qualifiers. Bahamas is considered by FIBA as under-developed in terms of grassroot basketball development hence special considerations were accorded to their federation. Inasmuch, Bahamas is a cricket country and a newbie in terms of international basketball outside Caribbean zone. Ayton, Hield, young sensation Edgecombe, Tavario Miller were all born in the islands…Comment
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I heard this complaint about Qatar in the youth teams before. Their Senegalese and Serbian descent players were dominating the Asia youth 3x3. The it died down. All those young players did not translate to good senior team players.Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
This actually proves that setting the cutoff age at 15 for rule is a fair one. Qatar used a lot of many to naturalize a bunch of Senegalese and Serbian 15 yr olds. But I havent heard any of them making waves in the senior team. You could say the return on investment is poor. Now that they have 1 player that actually became good we are complaining?
Because of our government making it a policy that exporting its people and their services in lieue of an actual local industry to earn money for the country, we have a big pool of foreign born and bred, 2nd, 3rd and X generation migrants. Unfortunately most other countries dont have that pool and B dont have a legal mechanism to retroactively make them citizens.
Crying about the Qataris is a bit hypocritical when many of the hafus never had knowledge or contact with their Philippine side until it was obvious they were going to become good basketball players. It isnt so easy if your not a good basketball player. I knew somebody who had a Pinoy dad and was born and bred in the US. In his adult life he visited the Philippines and tried to gain citizenship but he was denied because his father was dead.
Let’s not pretend that it isnt so easy to produce a Philippinr passport if one is a good basketball player. If not for Hagop our Philippine team would be composed of many guys who only acknowledged or realized they had a Philippine blood when they were recruited for the team. It is like Clarkson having a PH passport when he was 15 after years accepting he didnt. Sino niloko mo?
The Hagop rule saved us from our own porous system. Like now banning POGOs saves us from foreigners saying with full documents they were born citizens.Comment
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They have financial resources that they are willing to host events that others can’t. They can circumvent the rules and that’s the bottomline. So we all STFUComment
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And why some Nigerian players (men and women) were not allowed? well they are “developed” as they are regular competitors in FIBA African continental and intercontinental competitions.Comment
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Wait until 6-foot-11 big man Alen Hadzibegovic finally suits up for qatar's 5-on-5 national team. Hadzibegovic who is of Montenegro descent, was the superstar of Qatar's U-18 3x3 team that won the FIBA World U-18 3x3 gold medal some 7 years ago. He used to play for the div. 1 Russian pro league where he averaged around 13 ppg. And we all know how high level Russian basketball is. Hence, Hadzibegovic is no slouch. Also, with American Tyler Harris being declared as FIBA eligible, we can expect that Tyler is going to help Qatar a lot, maybe not now but later.Originally posted by Rds View Post
The thing about this practice by Qatar is that it is a hit or miss venture. Its just unfortunate for them that most of those Bosnian & African players that they granted Qatari citizenship prior to their 16th b-day aren't turning out to be outstanding players. But not because the Qataris had failed in its previous venture, they will again fail in their next ventures. The law of chance may catch up.
Its like missing your first 5 attempts from 3-pt range. Not because you've missed your first 5 attempts eh you are going to miss all your next 5 attempts. The law of average may catch up."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Please use English language in your Post or Translate your post in English Thank you
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don’t look far, indonesia is doing a Qatar too..Philippine Malditas to FIFA Womens World Cup 2023
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Pedantic, the word is still used in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, who tf are you to say it's antiquated. Maghalo ka na lang ng semento, hindi puro Qatar at kung ano anong kagaguhan yung iniisip moOriginally posted by OverratedTabBaldwin View PostComment
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Indonesia has been trying to pull a Philippines, their women just isn't as skilled as pinaysOriginally posted by Silent Killer View PostComment
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Exception based on when passport was applied for isn't automatic, it has to be applied for by the federation with fees and needs verification records .
doesn't follow that everyone who apploed before 16 is granted ExceptionComment
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Application of passport verification is done via record verification checks of intelligence records , if record is not registered in data base of 5 eyes it's not verifiableComment
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