FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[empyreanmaze]

Why are they illegals then to you

Just in a basketball context, I personally don't believe that players should be considered locals if they have no ethnic roots in the country. The Philippines is not an imperial nation, the country is ran by malays or mixed chinese villagers which can be used as basis for legibility. It's different from countries like the US or South American countries where the natives are like a single percentage. I love guys like Kouame but I'd only consider his offsprings as locals. FIBA rules operating on a 5050 basis on ethnicity and residency as well as the difference in every country's history(not every country is a European colony) is what makes this confusing. The Philippines is a confusing case, I think they do consider the eligibility of our players on 80% ethnicity 20% residency, probably the same with Indonesia. I'm not very educated about Taiwan and Qatar, I don't think you can judge the Taiwan and Qatar NT based on mostly ethnicity and not have them to be complete trashcans.

[JAMSKIE]

It's not Qatar who are weak.. it's about the rules Fiba implementing about eligibility rules... We have no problem if one of Harris or Lewis will be local if they do the right way of exemption.. both Americans just came to Qatar last year, no connection whatsoever to the country and yet one of them granted exemption easily.. what is the purpose of Hagop rule by the way? If they allowed them to parade in the same team together then better scrap that rule.. many countries will likely benefit from it likes of Vietnam, Cambodia, etc...

Correct.
What provision in FIBA rule on player eligibility was used which granted eligibility to Harris as a Qatari local player?

Becoz to be honest, I couldn't find any provision in the FIBA book that would qualify Harris as a local player.

[empyreanmaze]

Also if you guys are making noise about Qatar, why not Malaysia? Their NT is fully Chinese lol, I don't think it's fair that a Malay speaking country made up of 70% malays has a fully ethnic Chinese NT.

[DAdmiral]

Correct.
What provision in FIBA rule on player eligibility was used which granted eligibility to Harris as a Qatari local player?

Becoz to be honest, I couldn't find any provision in the FIBA book that would qualify Harris as a local player.

Note the U16 rule is passport applied before 16 ( not issued before 16 birthday ) do you know for sure Harris has no record verifiable that he or officials applied in his behalf for processing of citizenship, remember Qatar is a nation made up of foreign residents (80 % etc). , you cannot assume things based on the perception of how things are normally in the Philippines, (lile an American who hardly left the US or hasn't visited the Philippines surely has never inquired about citizenship acquisition) Qatar is a different environment and totally different profile of demographics of who are residents compared to the Philippines.

[JAMSKIE]

Note the U16 rule is passport applied before 16 ( not issued before 16 birthday ) do you know for sure Harris has no record verifiable that he or officials applied in his behalf for processing of citizenship, remember Qatar is a nation made up of foreign residents (80 % etc). , you cannot assume things based on the perception of how things are normally in the Philippines, (lile an American who hardly left the US or hasn't visited the Philippines surely has never inquired about citizenship acquisition) Qatar is a different environment and totally different profile of demographics of who are residents compared to the Philippines.

What is the probability that an American citizen who as a kid (say 14 to 15 yrs of age) was optimistic of his basketball potential ( I mean at that age, he was already groomed to have a promising college basketball career) would apply for a Qatari passport prior to his 16th bday? Of course its possible (as everything naman daw is possible), but chances are slim. I always like to play probability here.

And for instance if Harris indeed obtained (or applied for) a Qatari passport prior to his 16th bday, why is it that its only now that the Qataris invited him to their national team? I mean, knowing how the Qataris would move heaven & earth just to form a competitive national team. They even went as far as naturalizing Bosnian kids & handed them Qatari passports prior to their 16th bday so that they will be considered Qatari locals. I think the Qataris would have done everything in the past just to have a player of Tyler Harris' caliber included in the Qatar national team.

[sroth3839]

Poor India... A team who is always perennial participant in every Fiba Asia cup will likely not qualify in their group.. A team that has potential to be powerhouse team but suffering numerous challenges and financial struggles due to little support by their government (India is all cricket and nothing else).. Since 1999, they are always qualified to FIBA Asia cup.. but this is the purpose of this new format.. only best teams will enter the tournament and weak teams will be out.. Hong Kong was the first one who were out last 2022 after always qualified since the inauguration of the event... India was always benefiting easy qualification in the region where basketball is a niche sport.. teams like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka are not hook with basketball too... Now they feeling the effects of new format.. if you are weak then you are not deserve to be here...

I'd rather see India qualify to the Asia Cup than Qatar tbh.

As usual money talks.

[sroth3839]

Iran won by default.. I don't know what happened to Kazakhstan... What's happening to them?

From the Kazakh Basketball Federation IG:

Уважаемые болельщики и любители баскетбола!

Вчера наша сборная должна была провести матч против команды Ирана в г. Тегеран (Иран) в рамках квалификации Кубка Азии 2025. Однако, исходя из рекомендаций Министерства иностранных дел и Министерства туризма и спорта, участие в этом матче было признано небезопасным. Федерация баскетбола Казахстана обращалась к FIBA и FIBA Asia с просьбой перенести игру. Но FIBA приняла решение засчитать нашеQ команде техническое поражение.

Мы всегда ставим здоровье и безопасность наших игроков и тренеров на первый план — это наш главный приоритет.

Уже сегодня наша сборная отправится на следующий матч против команды Индии, и впереди нас ждут новые вызовы и победы.

Спасибо за вашу поддержку, веру в нашу команду и любовь к баскетболу. Вместе мы сильнее!

Translation:

Dear fans and basketball lovers!

Yesterday, our team was supposed to play a match against the Iranian team in Tehran (Iran) as part of the 2025 Asian Cup qualification. However, based on the recommendations of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Tourism and Sports, participation in this match was deemed unsafe. The Basketball Federation of Kazakhstan appealed to FIBA and FIBA Asia with a request to postpone the game. But FIBA decided to count our team as a technical defeat.

We always put the health and safety of our players and coaches first - this is our top priority.

Today, our team will leave for the next match against the Indian team, and new challenges and victories await us.

Thank you for your support, faith in our team and love for basketball. Together we are stronger!

[DAdmiral]

Your missing two things

It's only slim chance if Harris acted alone at 16 to look into Qatar citizenship.
don't underestimate Qatar craftiness to instigate years before steps to game FBA eligibility system ( they afer all spend heaps to get ahead )

Two . Qatsr cannot field Harris until he gets a passpprt ( not when he applied for one ) which is alibi on why they didn't use him previously.
now let me ask you this, QMB , if he had a passport before 16 yrs old as in news , how come he never played in U16 to U19 Batang Gilas youth teams, when there are official news he was being recruited? So begs the question, might he just applied for passport before 16 ( not issued owe ?). We don't know right? In the same way we don't know the details of Harris

[FilWelsh]

Many countries notice it.. even in Korean, Chinese and Japanese basketball sites posted it in their social media sites.. maybe now this team are not that good.. but I'm sure they have more players they can hired easily and make it a local player.. they also have 2 more Americans waiting in their pipeline.. don't be surprise in 2027, maybe half of their roster are Americans.. this is stupidity at its finest.. they can't allow our most of our fil foreign players to play as local even thou they are Filipinos by blood but this Qatari team easily put 2 Americans together even 1 NP is only allowed... Harris and Lewis only got their passports this year.. neither do residency for years to get exemption...

Qatar Basketball federation is very influential within FIBA, let them win and lord over their West Asian rivals and there will be more raucous emerge. Btw, Tyler Harris is a brother of NBA veteran Tobias Harris.

[FilWelsh]

I maybe wrong but I think these is one of the perks that FIBA has given Qatar after Argentina withdrawn for unopposed bid… Argentina back-out because of financial constraints and with no other country willing to shoulder the bills. Then came Qatar to the rescue. If not for financial clout of Qataris we won’t be talking about 2027 WC edition. In short, FIBA’s asses are saved by Qatar. Of course they Qataris want something in return and I believe leniency of their players’ nationality status is one…

[DAdmiral]

Correct.
What provision in FIBA rule on player eligibility was used which granted eligibility to Harris as a Qatari local player?

You haven't fully read the details provisions, it's passport applied (not issued) before 16
if Qatar has verification documents to support this , FIBA cannot do anything, but follow policy as it is written

Now say you argue the policy is stupid, well how was the policy ratified , it went through due process to be approved , so the members who ratified it out stupid then?
thats like saying America is stupid for their gun laws or how Trump got elected, eh it went through a process, it wasn't simply decided by a fee people

[FilWelsh]

I maybe wrong but I think these is one of the perks that FIBA has given Qatar after Argentina withdrawn for unopposed bid… Argentina back-out because of financial constraints and with no other country willing to shoulder the bills. Then came Qatar to the rescue. If not for financial clout of Qataris we won’t be talking about 2027 WC edition. In short, FIBA’s asses are saved by Qatar. Of course they Qataris want something in return and I believe leniency of players’ nationality status is one…

I believe Qatar’s hosting of 2027 WC is their bargaining chip and they making that event as their hostage… no one can stop them now..

[Giannis34GOD]

Before prompting judgment, understand the basis of FIBA eligibility rules, which contrary to conventional thought is not base on either blood lines or even residency .
it's based on documentation
FIBA rules are agnostic of the different independent laws of citizenship of each country, it isnt based on one's opinion perception of who is rightfully a citizen of a country.

Dude.. So what is your basis how either Lewis or Harris being a local for Qatar? They get their passports just last year, they have no connections whatsoever to Qatar before they came there... Niloloko mo kami bro...

[Giannis34GOD]

I have an immigration background and have consulted FIBA central legal personnel on the basis of their eligibility policies , it has nothing to do on what I think is right or not or what is more popularly considered the norm

Before being able to comment on any case , we have to know all the details (not what is just disclosed and made available to the public) , do we even know what is the basis of FIBA in declaring the Qatar player in question as eligible ? If we don't , how can we possibly conclude that jt is not right based on assumptions of what we know and have available information on .
How do we know for sure that both have no whatsoever previous immigration records with Qatar before 16 ? Do we know their records ? Just because they're Americans doesn't mean they have zero Qatar immigration records in the past on official verifiable records kept in data by world bodies ( 5 eyes etc )

what if the person in question for example has a verified record accessible in data immigration sharing records of a file that they officially applied for Qatar citizenship before the age of 16 , now what does the policy of FIBA state in this regard ratified by a process of approval.

The issue here is Harris or Lewis granted exemption.. They just came last year and give passport just like toilet papers.. If Yan ang logic mo then Brownlee should be a local for Gilas.. he's already here since 2016.. That is equivalent for Harris or Lewis granted exemption...

[Giannis34GOD]

Also if you guys are making noise about Qatar, why not Malaysia? Their NT is fully Chinese lol, I don't think it's fair that a Malay speaking country made up of 70% malays has a fully ethnic Chinese NT.

Bro.. Your statement is incorrect, those you mentioned are just mixed blood players.. Did you know the Fiba eligibility rules? It's not all about ethnicity... It's all about technicality.. there are many players who became local even they don't have the roots of their birth origin.. example Giannis, he is a full blooded Nigerian but he was born in Athens and grew up there.. If your statement will be the logic, then Giannis should not eligible to play for Greece as local...