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  • JAMSKIE
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    (San Miguel beermen) ALLAN CAIDIC VS (Los Angeles Lakers)MICHEAL COOPER in a 3PT CONTEST, Rare Video of NBA VS PBA


    This is a 3-pt shooting contest among the best shooters in the PBA during the 90's which included Allan Caidic, Jose Francisco & former Los Angeles Laker defense specialist Michael Cooper. I think Caidic beat Cooper in this contest. I think in a low level competition (I mean lower than the level of competition in the NBA & Europe), Caidic would have outshoot a Michael Cooper. But it does not mean Caidic would be more serviceable than Cooper in a high level competition like the NBA or Euroleague. That's becoz while Caidic may be the better shooter than Cooper, Caidic's defense will never be anywhere near that of Cooper. Of course another factor is size, Caidic being just 6-foot-2 while Cooper is 6-foot-7. Another aspect which favors Cooper is athleticism.

    My point here is that it would be a big plus if our national team shooters are decent defenders & with good size (6-foot-4 to 6-foot-6 wingmen). A 6-foot-5 Marcio Lassiter or 6-5 Dondon Hontiveros would be a perfect wingman for Gilas.

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  • Metta
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    Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post
    Isnt a shooter a designated player to hit open shots for certain plays or kickouts\bailouts?
    can we first improve overall fg% 3fg% and ft% of the team then designate a shooter? A quick look at Fiba wc site and we shot less than 30% on 3s and low 70% on ft. Low 40% as well on fg%. If we can up all these 3 category by 2 percentage points, then we will only need 2 or 3 shooters and not a whole team. Of course, if we have the reaources to form a whole team of shooters that should be looked into as well.
    There is a big difference between a player who can shoot and a shooter. We need both types.

    This does a pretty good job of articulating it...



    We have historically been bad at shooting, and at this age of pace and space, we can no longer afford to not improve. So collectively, all our players need to improve. However, producing/developing true shooters is another matter. We would be lucky to come up with a few.

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  • C2Hamm
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    Isnt a shooter a designated player to hit open shots for certain plays or kickouts\bailouts?
    can we first improve overall fg% 3fg% and ft% of the team then designate a shooter? A quick look at Fiba wc site and we shot less than 30% on 3s and low 70% on ft. Low 40% as well on fg%. If we can up all these 3 category by 2 percentage points, then we will only need 2 or 3 shooters and not a whole team. Of course, if we have the reaources to form a whole team of shooters that should be looked into as well.

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  • Metta
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    Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post

    I looked up his stats and he’s averaging 40% on 1.3 attempts for a 4 game sample size. Probably better to see a whole season to see if has improved since he doesn’t seem to shoot 3s much and he has a poor career 3pt %.

    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba.../dalph-panopio
    Dalph Panopio (3) Guard - 2023-24 (JUNIOR): Played in 27 games... Averaged 4.6 points, 1.0 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals, in 12.3 minutes per game... Scored


    Like what I said, the minutes are trending up. Went from 20 to 33 minutes the last 2 games. Has to show an ability to play with their star pg. 63% 3 pt shooting for the season (5 games).

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  • Sikatrix
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    Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post

    I looked up his stats and he’s averaging 40% on 1.3 attempts for a 4 game sample size. Probably better to see a whole season to see if has improved since he doesn’t seem to shoot 3s much and he has a poor career 3pt %.

    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba.../dalph-panopio
    The latest game wasnt added where he went 3/3.

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  • TheRodster21
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    Originally posted by Metta View Post
    Panopio shooting 63% from 3 early in the ncaa season.
    I looked up his stats and he’s averaging 40% on 1.3 attempts for a 4 game sample size. Probably better to see a whole season to see if has improved since he doesn’t seem to shoot 3s much and he has a poor career 3pt %.

    Complete career NCAAM stats for the Cal State Bakersfield Roadrunners Guard Dalph Panopio on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.

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  • Metta
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    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

    What school is he playing? Is that an NCAA div. 1 school?
    CSU Bakersfield D1. He's been first off the bench the last 2 games. Not the best situation though because the star of the team is another point guard who gets unli playing time and usage.

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  • JAMSKIE
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    Originally posted by Metta View Post
    Panopio shooting 63% from 3 early in the ncaa season.
    What school is he playing? Is that an NCAA div. 1 school?

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  • Metta
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    Panopio shooting 63% from 3 early in the ncaa season.

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  • Sikatrix
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    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    There's absolutely no question that we would be needing a No. Of shooters in the national team but I think it would be a bunos if our shooters can also play decent defense. That is why I really highly regarded guys like Dondon Hontiveros & Marcio Lassiter. Those 2 shooting guards were/are not only decent 3-pt shooters but they were/are also pretty decent wing defenders.

    This I say, I think Allan Caidic & Jeff Chan are/were excellent 3-point shooters during their respective stints in the national team. But those players were/not known for their defense.

    The thing with shooters is that they are among the most inconsistent players. There will be those games where "maalat" yung laro ng shooter. If that happens, if that shooter is not a good defender, then he will be useless for the team at least in that game. But if your shooter happens to be a decent defender like a Hontiveros or a Lassiter, may silbi pa rin sya sa team even if he struggles with his shooting.
    Its not just the national team, the more shooters we have,the higher the level of competition in the country.

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  • Metta
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    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    There's absolutely no question that we would be needing a No. Of shooters in the national team but I think it would be a bunos if our shooters can also play decent defense. That is why I really highly regarded guys like Dondon Hontiveros & Marcio Lassiter. Those 2 shooting guards were/are not only decent 3-pt shooters but they were/are also pretty decent wing defenders.

    This I say, I think Allan Caidic & Jeff Chan are/were excellent 3-point shooters during their respective stints in the national team. But those players were/not known for their defense.

    The thing with shooters is that they are among the most inconsistent players. There will be those games where "maalat" yung laro ng shooter. If that happens, if that shooter is not a good defender, then he will be useless for the team at least in that game. But if your shooter happens to be a decent defender like a Hontiveros or a Lassiter, may silbi pa rin sya sa team even if he struggles with his shooting.
    Yes, 3 and D guys are so valuable. Guys like Danny Green, PJ Tucker and Klay. Most champion teams always have them.

    I think developing their type is not impossible. First, look for defensive-minded prospects with good length (Navarro, Tuffin, Mamuyac). Then train them in shooting. Thousands of shots a day, especially corner threes. Sometimes having someone with less skills (or raw) is advantageous, they will be more willing to just stand in the corner. If they have more skills, then they can play like Klay.

    Once a player achieves the "shooter/laser" label on scouting reports, other teams will never leave you unguarded. So even if you're just standing in a corner and not making shots, then you've already done your job of spacing the floor.

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  • JAMSKIE
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    There's absolutely no question that we would be needing a No. Of shooters in the national team but I think it would be a bunos if our shooters can also play decent defense. That is why I really highly regarded guys like Dondon Hontiveros & Marcio Lassiter. Those 2 shooting guards were/are not only decent 3-pt shooters but they were/are also pretty decent wing defenders.

    This I say, I think Allan Caidic & Jeff Chan are/were excellent 3-point shooters during their respective stints in the national team. But those players were/not known for their defense.

    The thing with shooters is that they are among the most inconsistent players. There will be those games where "maalat" yung laro ng shooter. If that happens, if that shooter is not a good defender, then he will be useless for the team at least in that game. But if your shooter happens to be a decent defender like a Hontiveros or a Lassiter, may silbi pa rin sya sa team even if he struggles with his shooting.

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  • Metta
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    Originally posted by CoJ View Post

    Since basketball paligahas been a staple for barangay and SK politics, I hope they could be part of the solution that instead of holding tournaments, they should conduct a series of basketball clinics. They could coordinate with SBP, PSC and the Phil. Academy of Sports on this.
    It's a mindset. Mindset should be for long-term development.

    Wembanyama is a perfect example. Whoever trained him had a long-term development mindset. Did not just go the easy route of using his ridiculous height as an advantage, but put in the hours to teach him all skills. He also exhibits very good flexibility, dexterity and speed which is developed through long-term proper body-training.

    And when it comes to shooting (which he is very good at) try to look for videos of him playing when he was very young. He also played in a lowered rim, which helps with the development of a proper shooting form.

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  • CoJ
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    Originally posted by Metta View Post

    Another difference with how Europe does development compared to the US (which we mimic)...

    In the US youth system, every week players will play in weekend tournaments where they will have around 3-5 games a day. And there's always a champion so games are treated as must win every time. In contrast, most european clubs will only play one game a week. Most of their time is devoted to practice instead of games. Time allocation is about 80% practice and 20% games. They will even spend a week just practicing one specific type of pass.

    We do have courts in our country, but it is almost always used for games. Once in a while, you will have trainers ala-Mavs in a few courts. But majority of courts is always used for games. No one practices in the grass roots age unless the player is already with a school team.

    Good fundamentals, efficient footwork and ideal shooting form is first developed in practice/training before you use it in games. Playing a lot of games before acquiring those skills lead to improper technique.

    Since basketball paligahas been a staple for barangay and SK politics, I hope they could be part of the solution that instead of holding tournaments, they should conduct a series of basketball clinics. They could coordinate with SBP, PSC and the Phil. Academy of Sports on this.

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  • Metta
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    Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

    To develop a proper infrastructure, we really to realign our funds. But the funding is almost all in the top (PBA, College) since some ROI actually exist at that level among other things. I think we really need an SBP with its priorities in order, easier said than done obviously.
    Another difference with how Europe does development compared to the US (which we mimic)...

    In the US youth system, every week players will play in weekend tournaments where they will have around 3-5 games a day. And there's always a champion so games are treated as must win every time. In contrast, most european clubs will only play one game a week. Most of their time is devoted to practice instead of games. Time allocation is about 80% practice and 20% games. They will even spend a week just practicing one specific type of pass.

    We do have courts in our country, but it is almost always used for games. Once in a while, you will have trainers ala-Mavs in a few courts. But majority of courts is always used for games. No one practices in the grass roots age unless the player is already with a school team.

    Good fundamentals, efficient footwork and ideal shooting form is first developed in practice/training before you use it in games. Playing a lot of games before acquiring those skills lead to improper technique.

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