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  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

    What if Oftana struggles in the world level but he would be serviceable as a rotation player in the Asian level, should we give him a passing mark? Or maybe we should try other options like a Will Navarro or a Ken Tuffin?
    This is why we have a pool. We're not the NBA. We're not yet high level. We want to have more than 12 players so we can see who can step up and whose game is more fit for high comp Fiba. The best the PBA has to offer doesn't matter if they can't step up and be effective in Fiba.

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    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

      What if Oftana struggles in the world level but he would be serviceable as a rotation player in the Asian level, should we give him a passing mark? Or maybe we should try other options like a Will Navarro or a Ken Tuffin?
      Well, last FIBA WC shows who can be serviceable in world level and those who are not... I remember against SSD, when whole PBA player delegation struggling to match up against SSD, Instead Chot give more minutes to those overseas players such as Abando, Dwight, Kai, Edu and JC... Junmar struggles against tall and athletic bigs of SSD... Scottie, Malonzo, Perez, Japeth, Pogoy also struggling too.. But still there on the current line up of CTC except Pogoy...

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      • Originally posted by NOiNU View Post
        Unpopular opinion but I’d cut on Oftana and Perez’ playing time and give more to guys like Tamayo and Quiambao. A guard rotation of Ramos, Newsome and Brownlee should suffice, with Oftana and Perez providing spot minutes rather than rotation player pt. These two are probably the least impactful of all the rotation players. This coming from an Oftana big fan.
        Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
        I think Oftana doesn’t work as a shooter internationally because his release is slower. Same with Newsome
        Originally posted by one21guns View Post
        This is glaring in the Turkey tune-up. Those quick close-outs are bothering Oftana. And he is not good enough yet in utilizing shot fakes and fake and drives. Taller and mobile defenders will cancel out his perimeter game. Calvin must be able to adjust real quick and Tim ought to explore alternatives on how Oftana can be more effective on offense.
        Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        What if Oftana struggles in the world level but he would be serviceable as a rotation player in the Asian level, should we give him a passing mark? Or maybe we should try other options like a Will Navarro or a Ken Tuffin?
        Oftana needs to make up for offensive struggles with defense. Thing is, he regressed defensively in the PBA, getting blown by a bit more easily.

        Good system defender, but we'll need more than that on that end from our primary local option at 3.​

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        • Originally posted by IPC View Post
          Oftana needs to make up for offensive struggles with defense. Thing is, he regressed defensively in the PBA, getting blown by a bit more easily.

          Good system defender, but we'll need more than that on that end from our primary local option at 3.​
          I’d move on with Oftana if we can find a 6'5 shooter who can also defend.

          Navarro anyone?

          He's 6'6 and has better handles with proven abilities. We know he can deliver.

          Hell, I'd take BRP over Perez any day.

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          • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post
            I’d move on with Oftana if we can find a 6'5 shooter who can also defend.

            Navarro anyone?

            He's 6'6 and has better handles with proven abilities. We know he can deliver.

            Hell, I'd take BRP over Perez any day.
            Let's give Oftana and CJ a shot this OQT. Let them show how they can contribute, especially defensively. Navarro might be able to replace Malonzo if the latter keeps getting injured.

            As for Parks, I think that ship has sailed, unless he's willing again. I think Heading, another shooter and decent 1-on-1 defender, can do.

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            • Originally posted by IPC View Post

              Let's give Oftana and CJ a shot this OQT. Let them show how they can contribute, especially defensively. Navarro might be able to replace Malonzo if the latter keeps getting injured.

              As for Parks, I think that ship has sailed, unless he's willing again. I think Heading, another shooter and decent 1-on-1 defender, can do.
              I’m getting tired of Perez tbh.

              In some games, he will make clutch shots like the ones against Jordan and KSA (Nov 2023 window) but disappear in some (Asiad 2023).

              If we can get exemptions for Lucero and improve Amos' defense, I’m also willing to move on from Malonzo.

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              • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

                I’m getting tired of Perez tbh.

                In some games, he will make clutch shots like the ones against Jordan and KSA (Nov 2023 window) but disappear in some (Asiad 2023).

                If we can get exemptions for Lucero and improve Amos' defense, I’m also willing to move on from Malonzo.
                Lucero will be definitely eligible for Gilas come WC 2027, and Olympics 2028 if we qualified.

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                • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

                  I’d move on with Oftana if we can find a 6'5 shooter who can also defend.

                  Navarro anyone?

                  He's 6'6 and has better handles with proven abilities. We know he can deliver.

                  Hell, I'd take BRP over Perez any day.
                  IRC years ago Tab had to choose from Navarro and Oftana. Navarro's defense won over Oftana's offense. Navarro along with Balti were part of the integral perimeter defense that helped stop Korea and their 6'7 NCAA star. However, now Oftana is a PBA star for an MVP company and Navarro's offensive skills have not really improved. But with Oftana so far useless on defense and offense. It's really time to consider Navarro.

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                  • Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post

                    Lucero will be definitely eligible for Gilas come WC 2027, and Olympics 2028 if we qualified.
                    Slaugher and Newsome got their exemption in their 30s. It is a fool's errand including somebody anticipating an exemption. We must focus on the development of eligibles and only consider ineligibles when they do get their exemption. Exemption is not a given. They are exemptions for a reason. We can't request exemptions for all ineligibles. It wouldn't be an exemption.

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                    • Originally posted by Rds View Post
                      IRC years ago Tab had to choose from Navarro and Oftana. Navarro's defense won over Oftana's offense. Navarro along with Balti were part of the integral perimeter defense that helped stop Korea and their 6'7 NCAA star. However, now Oftana is a PBA star for an MVP company and Navarro's offensive skills have not really improved. But with Oftana so far useless on defense and offense. It's really time to consider Navarro.
                      As I've been saying over and over again, if our primary SF isn't a star (Bahrami or El-Khatib caliber), might as well go with a defender at that spot. We have Dwight, but he's being groomed to play guard. JB's 36. So might as well get another defensive wing.

                      The 3 is a key spot on defense. We need reliable defenders there.

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                      • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                        As I've been saying over and over again, if our primary SF isn't a star (Bahrami or El-Khatib caliber), might as well go with a defender at that spot. We have Dwight, but he's being groomed to play guard. JB's 36. So might as well get another defensive wing.

                        The 3 is a key spot on defense. We need reliable defenders there.
                        Agree with you. Ironically our best wing defender in the Asian games was Newsome. He was the main defender among several against RHJ But he is 30 plus and he does give up a lot of height against big wings.

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                        • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                          Slaugher and Newsome got their exemption in their 30s. It is a fool's errand including somebody anticipating an exemption. We must focus on the development of eligibles and only consider ineligibles when they do get their exemption. Exemption is not a given. They are exemptions for a reason. We can't request exemptions for all ineligibles. It wouldn't be an exemption.

                          That is because the SBP did not actually apply for their exemption. They just need to apply for an exemption they think that is eligible already based on the FIBA rules. Look at the highlighted in the official book of FIBA below.

                          ​Assuming Lucero is still playing at the PBA come 2027, he has already 5 or more years of playing in the country. That seems reasonable to apply for exemption and pretty sure the governing body will approve because there is no way Zav Lucero will be playing for team USA (his primary land). Same scenario with Kai Balunggay if he decided to play for PBA.​ So its up to the PBA to make the league high-end in the eyes of fil-foreign who are not available. Also I assume the non-eligible fil-foreigns who play college basketball here in Philippines will definitely play in the PBA because they are not eligible to the other big asian leagues such as BLeague and KBL. Unless they are a world-caliber import which is unlikely. Hell, if Mikey Williams is eligible as local, i am pretty sure he is already playing for the Bleague/KBL right now.
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                          • Many people here don't understand CTC's coaching Philosophy.. He would rather die together with his loyal soldiers rather than inserting new players but have no knowledge in his system... Triangle offense is hard to learn and getting new players is not so ideal w/ current situation of Gilas that still under PBA rule... Even me i want guys like Abando, Baltazar, etc... in this current roster but CTC has trust with those players... Let them be...

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                            • Originally posted by Rds View Post
                              Agree with you. Ironically our best wing defender in the Asian games was Newsome. He was the main defender among several against RHJ But he is 30 plus and he does give up a lot of height against big wings.
                              We have to think about Newsome's successor now. He turns 34 next month, and he's one of three reliable perimeter defenders we have (four, if we include JB).

                              And we will need more perimeter defenders if we're not going to get Ange or a defensive-minded 4/5 (4, so that he can play next to Kai) as our NP.

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                              • Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post


                                That is because the SBP did not actually apply for their exemption. They just need to apply for an exemption they think that is eligible already based on the FIBA rules. Look at the highlighted in the official book of FIBA below.

                                ​Assuming Lucero is still playing at the PBA come 2027, he has already 5 or more years of playing in the country. That seems reasonable to apply for exemption and pretty sure the governing body will approve because there is no way Zav Lucero will be playing for team USA (his primary land). Same scenario with Kai Balunggay if he decided to play for PBA.​ So its up to the PBA to make the league high-end in the eyes of fil-foreign who are not available. Also I assume the non-eligible fil-foreigns who play college basketball here in Philippines will definitely play in the PBA because they are not eligible to the other big asian leagues such as BLeague and KBL. Unless they are a world-caliber import which is unlikely.
                                Unfortunately, PBA will not do that, that means Lucero is eligible to play in the B League.. If Lucero is eligible, he will not play in the PBA right away... Business decision on part of SBP / PBA... Cliff Hodge already reside here for 12 years but until now PBA / SBP not grant his exemption case...

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