2024 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament

[thatweirdguy]

Quite ironic that coach Tim lost a point guard in Iskati Thompson yet he's replacing it with a wingman in RR Pogoy. This to think that Iskati is the lone natural point guard of the team. With Iskati out for the OQT & Pogoy becoming his replacement, Gilas is left with no natural point guard.

With this development (Iskati being replaced by Pogoy), it is really becoming obvious that there is really a falling out between SMC & Robert Bolick. Imagine Bolick who is the consensus choice for being the best point guard in Philippine basketball right now is not getting any invite despite the inavailability of Gilas starting point guard Iskati Thompson becoz of injury.

Sino pa nga ba ang dapat kapalit ni Thompson sa Gilas kung di si Bolick. In fact people even question why Bolick wasn't in the original 12-man Gilas pool of coach Tim.

Agree with this. And now the alibi is he doesn't fit the system/ he's too much of a ballhog/ shoots too much etc. They're wasting this guy's prime by not inviting him when we're in dire need of a PG. Should have been invited years ago IMO

[JAMSKIE]

kiefer, sj, rjay, dalph panopio, jordan heading, well even remy martin, bolick

stockton is nowehere near on that options

let’t not deceive on his performance on recent conference

remember mike miranda was once pitch to be included for future gilas team after a good conference

So what makes you think that Stockton's game won't probably suit the FIBA game?

He won't be able to hit those 3-pt shots in the FIBA game? His defense would only be good enough in the PBA level but not in the FIBA level? How would we know if we don't test him in the FIBA game?

U mentioned SJ Belangel & RJ Abarrientos as better options than Stockton. U well, please tell me that people here at IBN didn't whine about how those 2 midget point guards got abused by taller guards when they suited up with Gilas in 2021. Please tell me that there was never a clamor for Gilas to recruit taller point guards as midget point guards would usually be a cause for mismatches especially if we play world level basketball. Remember Stockton is a 6-foot-2 while Belangel & Abarrientos are only around 5-foot-10/5-foot-11.

If we battle Lebanon with a 6-foot-4 point guard Wael Arakji & Jordan with a 6-3 Freddie Ibrahim, who do U think will match up better, Belangel/Abarrientos both 5-11 or a 6-2 Stockton who is a decent defender?

About Panopio, has Panopio proven anything with Gilas at the senior level? He has only played for Batang Gilas U-18/19 team some years ago but youth level basketball is different from senior level.

[Silent Killer]

So what makes you think that Stockton's game won't probably suit the FIBA game?

He won't be able to hit those 3-pt shots in the FIBA game? His defense would only be good enough in the PBA level but not in the FIBA level? How would we know if we don't test him in the FIBA game?

U mentioned SJ Belangel & RJ Abarrientos as better options than Stockton. U well, please tell me that people here at IBN didn't whine about how those 2 midget point guards got abused by taller guards when they suited up with Gilas in 2021. Please tell me that there was never a clamor for Gilas to recruit taller point guards as midget point guards would usually be a cause for mismatches especially if we play world level basketball. Remember Stockton is a 6-foot-2 while Belangel & Abarrientos are only around 5-foot-10/5-foot-11.

If we battle Lebanon with a 6-foot-4 point guard Wael Arakji & Jordan with a 6-3 Freddie Ibrahim, who do U think will match up better, Belangel/Abarrientos both 5-11 or a 6-2 Stockton who is a decent defender?

About Panopio, has Panopio proven anything with Gilas at the senior level? He has only played for Batang Gilas U-18/19 team some years ago but youth level basketball is different from senior level.

and iskati is around that height

have you watch SJ’s game in KBL? Theirs a reason he was sign for $195k with his playmaking and defending..

funny you suggest panopio as future but you quickly mention about “proven”

again don’t get deceive on any pba players performance

and 1 thing, is stockton fiba eligible?

[zairex]

So what makes you think that Stockton's game won't probably suit the FIBA game?

He won't be able to hit those 3-pt shots in the FIBA game? His defense would only be good enough in the PBA level but not in the FIBA level? How would we know if we don't test him in the FIBA game?

U mentioned SJ Belangel & RJ Abarrientos as better options than Stockton. U well, please tell me that people here at IBN didn't whine about how those 2 midget point guards got abused by taller guards when they suited up with Gilas in 2021. Please tell me that there was never a clamor for Gilas to recruit taller point guards as midget point guards would usually be a cause for mismatches especially if we play world level basketball. Remember Stockton is a 6-foot-2 while Belangel & Abarrientos are only around 5-foot-10/5-foot-11.

If we battle Lebanon with a 6-foot-4 point guard Wael Arakji & Jordan with a 6-3 Freddie Ibrahim, who do U think will match up better, Belangel/Abarrientos both 5-11 or a 6-2 Stockton who is a decent defender?

About Panopio, has Panopio proven anything with Gilas at the senior level? He has only played for Batang Gilas U-18/19 team some years ago but youth level basketball is different from senior level.

So we all base it on height which is just 3 inches difference. Stockton has never been a major contributor or reason his team wins games with tougher opponents. What will be our basis for him to be as good as Belangel

[JAMSKIE]

So we all base it on height which is just 3 inches difference. Stockton has never been a major contributor or reason his team wins games with tougher opponents. What will be our basis for him to be as good as Belangel

Bro, it's not like Stockton is all height & has inferior skills than Belangel or RJ Abarrientos. Of course height isn't everything.

Funny that U seem to undermine a 3-inch height difference among players. If a 3-inch height difference hardly matters then maybe its ok that we have a 6-foot-3/6-foot-4 power forward instead of a 6-foot-6/6-foot-7 one (I mean with skills, athleticism, basketball I. Q. Being equal). Maybe it's ok to have a 6-6 center instead of a 6-foot-9 one (with skills, athleticism & court savvy being equal).

U asked what wud be our basis for Stockton to be as good as Belangel? Kaya nga brad, we need to test him playing for Gilas to know.

Kaya nga it's premature to say that Stockton's game isn't suited for the FIBA game or that he's no Gilas material. How do we know if we haven't tried him yet?

[JAMSKIE]

and iskati is around that height

have you watch SJ’s game in KBL? Theirs a reason he was sign for $195k with his playmaking and defending..

funny you suggest panopio as future but you quickly mention about “proven”

again don’t get deceive on any pba players performance

and 1 thing, is stockton fiba eligible?

What's wrong with saying that Panopio is a potential Gilas player but he has yet to prove himself in the Gilas senior level? Kaya nga we have to try him out if he possesses the right stuff.

I don't understand people here reacting to my opinion that Stockton should be considered for Gilas as a "prospect" (prospect pa lang po mga sirs). I never said like Stockton is a shoo-in for Gilas. Malaki po pinagkaiba noon.

[IPC]

This is just getting bad. Pogoy is not much of an initiator. Not a good defender and cannot shoot at the Fiba level. We are getting players who can neither defend nor score in Fiba.

As a fan Im hoping being served humble pie by Newsome and Banchero has made CJ consider the holes in his game as he says.

The only two way guys we have are Dwight and Newsome. And neither is a good outside shooter. We dont have another decent perimeter defender as CJ is worse than them and Scottie. Newsome will be outsized by the Euro wings and will be just a guard defender. Dwight will be outsized by euro wings. Oftanas perimeter defense will be exposed.

We dont have a tall wing defender. Our PF at 6’6 is a bit outsized and is our only decent “big” defender. Our prospects dont look good.

I would like to get Heading because he is a good shooter and fundamentally sound in other parts like defense and facilitating. But he is not a wing defender either. Navarro and possibly Malonzo are the only ones who are decent big wing defenders. The lack of big wings in the PBA is one reason. You need to develop tall wing defenders and I dont think there are other PBA players that fit the bill. You need to get from the UAAP and develop them.

Let's get back to this one for the OQT.

We have three reliable defenders right now in Newsome, Dwight, and JB. And as you said, JB's our only decent big defender. Kai's not there yet, at least from his last season in the B.League, though he has improved.

Given the situation, what will be our gameplan? This is going to test if we can rely on a frontline of Kai, Carl, and KQ on both ends when JB's not around, if Kai can decently cover for his teammates, and how we can adapt to not having AJ on the floor.

This has to lead to a reassessment of team needs, and how to scheme, that's for sure.

[TheRodster21]

Kai I think works best if he does a deep drop and doesn’t have to guard out on the perimeter especially in pnr situations, he seems more effective in that Rudy Gobert role of sticking under the basket and swatting\affecting shots, this puts more pressure though on having better wing defenders which means guys like newsome, Dwight will have to fight through screens and really glue to the ball handler. Realistically KQ isn’t a good defender on the perimeter and Carl has had issues guarding the perimeter in the past

[Giannis34GOD]

Surely he knows abando, kiefer, heading..

He knows in terms we see them at the highlights in social media post.. but I’m sure he’s not keen on them, CTC, Chot, Tab have different taste of players, Tab before has Nietto bros, Chot has TNT boys and now CTC has Ginebra/mostly PBA boys as their favorites…

[Giannis34GOD]

Greece vs Poland tune up game yesterday

https://youtu.be/n1sZ22TR9O4?si=WR9yoFLJHWOg-8kJ

[Giannis34GOD]

Inang Pogoy to. I for one suggests that Scottie’s spot should be filled with a replacement. But if it’s Pogoy? Lets just stick to 11 players. Bwisit.

Another 1 who joined practice is Ralph Cu… CTC is now divided between Fans clamour and PBA politics… Don’t expect PBA/SBP will tap another overseas players outside of Kai, Edu, Ramos and Tamayo… They want to be represented by majority of PBA players…

[IPC]

Another 1 who joined practice is Ralph Cu… CTC is now divided between Fans clamour and PBA politics… Don’t expect PBA/SBP will tap another overseas players outside of Kai, Edu, Ramos and Tamayo… They want to be represented by majority of PBA players…

Here's the thing, a. Outside of the current pool, I don't think there are many PBA players that can be reliable in an NT setting. I can only name Navarro, Marcio (37yo), CStand (NP; 35 next month), Mamu, Bolick, Perkins (ineligible), Tuffin, and Carino. Maybe Tio.

I'll have to say that honestly, Navarro, Mamu, Bolick, Tio, Tuffin, and Carino aren't bad options to pick from. It's getting PBA players outside of the batch I named that I might have a problem with.

[live_evil]

Tim Cone getting Pogoy. Hmmmm, onset of Alzheimers? haha

[Silent Killer]

He knows in terms we see them at the highlights in social media post.. but I’m sure he’s not keen on them, CTC, Chot, Tab have different taste of players, Tab before has Nietto bros, Chot has TNT boys and now CTC has Ginebra/mostly PBA boys as their favorites…

Don't tell me CTC doesnt like a shooter like heading. Every coach would love him..

[Giannis34GOD]

Here's the thing, a. Outside of the current pool, I don't think there are many PBA players that can be reliable in an NT setting. I can only name Navarro, Marcio (37yo), CStand (NP; 35 next month), Mamu, Bolick, Perkins (ineligible), Tuffin, and Carino. Maybe Tio.

I'll have to say that honestly, Navarro, Mamu, Bolick, Tio, Tuffin, and Carino aren't bad options to pick from. It's getting PBA players outside of the batch I named that I might have a problem with.

I get it why PBA/SBP not getting players overseas, But I noticed that they not getting players outside MVP/SMC players… Is there any conflict between PBA/SBP and independent teams?