The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[C2Hamm]

Good trade for the Suns. Though his skillset kinda overlaps with Booker's and in all honesty he's like a slightly poor man's version of him. It was Beal who made the trade possible, for Washington it's all about not paying him the remainder of his contract.

Now I'm curious how they're going to round up their roster. Ayton was big when they defeated the nuggets 2 years ago but he kinda stopped trying once he signed his new contract. Will they ship him out for less expensive pieces?

even if they do, they dont have to do it now. they can wait until the deadline. They can just piece together a team who wants to sign in for cheap, and see what they need as the season moves along.

[thatweirdguy]

even if they do, they dont have to do it now. they can wait until the deadline. They can just piece together a team who wants to sign in for cheap, and see what they need as the season moves along.

I'm not a fan of late season roster changes. That could really messed up team chemistry like what happened last season. Should have gotten KD early instead. And an unmotivated Ayton could have toxic vibes in the locker room and possibly even lower his trade value even more.

They should have really drafted Halliburton or Vassel over Jalen Smith despite having an abundance of wings and PGs at that time..

[C2Hamm]

I'm not a fan of late season roster changes. That could really messed up team chemistry like what happened last season. Should have gotten KD early instead. And an unmotivated Ayton could have toxic vibes in the locker room and possibly even lower his trade value even more..

takes 2 to tango. Phoenix already asked for KD before the start of the season but Nets owner talked to KD and gave him some assurance. no matter how much Phx wanted to, if Nets didnt, wala tayo magagawa.

They should have really drafted Halliburton or Vassel over Jalen Smith despite having an abundance of wings and PGs at that time..

you arent a Suns fan. ill just tell you some names we drafted after booker: Bender, Josh Jackson, Okobo, Zaire smith, DA, okpala, and culver. and DA hasnt really broken out but he is the Home pick.... that we chose over Luka. we suck at drafting and is worse at player development. getting Hali would be like getting someone to trade like Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges.

[thatweirdguy]

takes 2 to tango. Phoenix already asked for KD before the start of the season but Nets owner talked to KD and gave him some assurance. no matter how much Phx wanted to, if Nets didnt, wala tayo magagawa.

you arent a Suns fan. ill just tell you some names we drafted after booker: Bender, Josh Jackson, Okobo, Zaire smith, DA, okpala, and culver. and DA hasnt really broken out but he is the Home pick.... that we chose over Luka. we suck at drafting and is worse at player development. getting Hali would be like getting someone to trade like Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges.

I've been a Suns fans since the late 90s.. you forgot Tyler Ullis and Chriss. We also drafted Len and Goodwin before Book who surprise surprise sucked. I dunno if it's the toxic environment or the player themselves suck but it also didn't help that we drafted knuckle heads like Jackson, Chriss and Ullis. I think the problem is we place more value on potential that players who are ready to contribute like Bridges and Johnson. But Haliburton and Vassel looked like they were ready to contribute from day 1 as they older prospects and were viewed as having lower ceilings..

Is the Vogel signing good? What I usually hear is that at least it's not Doc

[CoJ]

I'm not a fan of late season roster changes. That could really messed up team chemistry like what happened last season. Should have gotten KD early instead. And an unmotivated Ayton could have toxic vibes in the locker room and possibly even lower his trade value even more.

They should have really drafted Halliburton or Vassel over Jalen Smith despite having an abundance of wings and PGs at that time..

best example: Kyrie Irving and the Mavericks, from 4th in the west to missing the playoffs

regarding the suns, I think Ayton wil be traded before the season starts, a lot of teams, including dallas, is interested in the former 1st pick overall (but imagine a Luka-Ayton-Irving locker room, that’ll be toxic)

[Money]

The Spurs situation is they have 6 mid 1st round draft picks in next 3 years . Obviously they can't sign all of them , so they need to consolidate those via trade to trade up to around top 9 to 12 in next 3 drafts . (3 picks) to form 7 man core together with Wemby, Sochan, Vaseel and Keldon

The target for this draft is a PG, hopefully Cason Wallace or Kobe Bufkin. they have the 33rd pick , Malaki (9th best rookie 2022) and Graham as trading pieces to trade up to 12 to 15th

Honestly Tre Jones isn't that bad of a point guard to build around. He is good on defense and has playmaking abilities.

not sold on Keldon though. Too inconsistent. Id rather have Vassell by a mile.

malaki is intriguing for me. He has shown flashes last season.

Devonte's contract is too hefty to swallow. Hope they get rid of him. He somewhat fleeced NOP.

[DAdmiral]

My take on what Spurs should to to get a mid 1st round pick (PG to grow with Wemby)

Option 1 : Target Toronto's 13 th pick - ( Cason Wallace) - give up 33 rd pick, trade back 1st round 2024 (6th round protected ) and icing - give Devonte Graham.
Option 2 ; Target Atlanta 15th pick ( Kobe Bufkin) - give up 33rd pick, Trade back 1st round 2025 or Trade Malaki who would be 16th pick if 2022 was re -drafted

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10071186-2022-nba-re-draft-creating-the-ultimate-re-do-1st-round

[Money]

Can Beal co exist with Booker ?

Baka KD and Beal will be relegated to standing in the corner LOL

I think both can co exist and with KD. They can stagger one to be the first guy of the bench

But they need to address their depth. Maybe the best guy off their bench is Londale or Ross who isn't reliable on a night to night basis.

[Money]

I'm not a fan of late season roster changes. That could really messed up team chemistry like what happened last season. Should have gotten KD early instead. And an unmotivated Ayton could have toxic vibes in the locker room and possibly even lower his trade value even more.

They should have really drafted Halliburton or Vassel over Jalen Smith despite having an abundance of wings and PGs at that time..

Even if they drafted Hali. They still need to trade him to win now like what they did to Mikal and Cam Johnson.

[C2Hamm]

I've been a Suns fans since the late 90s.. you forgot Tyler Ullis and Chriss. We also drafted Len and Goodwin before Book who surprise surprise sucked. I dunno if it's the toxic environment or the player themselves suck but it also didn't help that we drafted knuckle heads like Jackson, Chriss and Ullis. I think the problem is we place more value on potential that players who are ready to contribute like Bridges and Johnson. But Haliburton and Vassel looked like they were ready to contribute from day 1 as they older prospects and were viewed as having lower ceilings..

Is the Vogel signing good? What I usually hear is that at least it's not Doc

yay, a Suns fan! I started watching basketball, in general, during the time of Tom Chambers. but really got hooked during the time of Barkley.

anyway, i have zero faith with Suns in terms of drafting. sure, they will occasionally draft a good guy(Book, Mikal, Cam) but in general, they just dont. so thinking how Phx can build via trade is futile and not an option. and since JJ came on board, it is clear that how he makes the team is getting experienced players and hoping the young guns he had when he started either becomes good enough to be part of the core of good enough to be shipped out.

Vogel has 2 things that Coach Monty doesnt: championship experience and experience coaching a team with multiple all star players. extra, he is a defensive coach. the time Lakers won the championship under him, they were one of the top defensive team.

[C2Hamm]

I think both can co exist and with KD. They can stagger one to be the first guy of the bench

But they need to address their depth. Maybe the best guy off their bench is Londale or Ross who isn't reliable on a night to night basis.

due to the Beal deal, the best guy off the bench would be Jordan Goodwin. then Cam Payne and then Isiah Todd if he isnt waived. after that, they need to offer everyone else a contract to be part of the team.

Ross is a UFA. i dont think he will sign for vet min unless no other team wants him for a little more than the min.

[Rds]

I dont really follow the Suns except this season. But did Ayton really put the clamps on Jokic in their previous series?

[IPC]

yay, a Suns fan! I started watching basketball, in general, during the time of Tom Chambers. but really got hooked during the time of Barkley.

anyway, i have zero faith with Suns in terms of drafting. sure, they will occasionally draft a good guy(Book, Mikal, Cam) but in general, they just dont. so thinking how Phx can build via trade is futile and not an option. and since JJ came on board, it is clear that how he makes the team is getting experienced players and hoping the young guns he had when he started either becomes good enough to be part of the core of good enough to be shipped out.

Vogel has 2 things that Coach Monty doesnt: championship experience and experience coaching a team with multiple all star players. extra, he is a defensive coach. the time Lakers won the championship under him, they were one of the top defensive team.

Yep, Vogel has been good defensively since Indiana. He struggles on offense, though. He needs an offensive coach next to him.

[Silent Killer]

yay, a Suns fan! I started watching basketball, in general, during the time of Tom Chambers. but really got hooked during the time of Barkley.

anyway, i have zero faith with Suns in terms of drafting. sure, they will occasionally draft a good guy(Book, Mikal, Cam) but in general, they just dont. so thinking how Phx can build via trade is futile and not an option. and since JJ came on board, it is clear that how he makes the team is getting experienced players and hoping the young guns he had when he started either becomes good enough to be part of the core of good enough to be shipped out.

Vogel has 2 things that Coach Monty doesnt: championship experience and experience coaching a team with multiple all star players. extra, he is a defensive coach. the time Lakers won the championship under him, they were one of the top defensive team.

it helps when vogel has kidd in his side..

[C2Hamm]

Yep, Vogel has been good defensively since Indiana. He struggles on offense, though. He needs an offensive coach next to him.

Silent Killer[/URL]]it helps when vogel has kidd in his side..

Coach Monty's strengths are being a motivator and can in still discipline. he did that, with the help of CP3, with Phx. i think i read somewhere he took asst coach jarret jack with him but I am confident he will do that in Detroit as well. having said that, the X and O in Phoenix offense was prepared by Kevin Young, who is retained by Phx and gave him the biggest salary for an asst coach in the NBA.