2002 RP National Team vs. Ukraine and Italy

[magic_chiongson]

rob parker made duremdes look like a scrub while menk/taulava exposed marlou aquino’s lack of speed, laterals, footwork and work ethic

no wonder those 2 were the leaders of the anti fil-am/fil-sham movement

espino and ildefonso i think were the only local bigs who can hang with the fil-ams back in the day

don't forget benjie paras, on the rare occasion where he stays healthy. even when he was way past his prime

[hmbopbaduwap]

rob parker made duremdes look like a scrub while menk/taulava exposed marlou aquino’s lack of speed, laterals, footwork and work ethic

no wonder those 2 were the leaders of the anti fil-am/fil-sham movement

espino and ildefonso i think were the only local bigs who can hang with the fil-ams back in the day

Menk and Hatfield considers Dennis as having one of the strongest core base for a homegrown player despite not being a gym rat.

[CoJ]

rob parker made duremdes look like a scrub while menk/taulava exposed marlou aquino’s lack of speed, laterals, footwork and work ethic

no wonder those 2 were the leaders of the anti fil-am/fil-sham movement

espino and ildefonso i think were the only local bigs who can hang with the fil-ams back in the day

[BJ_Reloaded]

Rob Parker's athleticism and overall offensive quality was unmatched by any local. He was like the Vince Carter of the PBA back then with his high-flying acts, which he also took to his lone PBA slam dunk contest participation. Even his defense was underrated. I remember during a game vs. the then-dynastic Alaska, a prime Devin Davis struggled against him, having 3 (or probably more) of his shots emphatically swatted away. Partnered with Kwan Johnson along with the solid local support of Limpot, Espino, Orquillas, et al., the PBA crowd during that 1999 Commissioner's Cup was bedazzled by the suddenly-dangerous Sta. Lucia Realtors team.

Too bad, he got the ire of the league's traditionalists/nationalists during one of the most difficult periods for any Fil-foreign player playing in the PBA. His on/off court attitude (shouting match with his coach, altercation with a female celeb who I can't remember her name, and some other issues i can't recall) didn't help his case either.

Sir Rodbi,

I've been watching awhile ago the Power N' Play portion wherein the old-timers are discussing the good ole days and the current PROBLEM our beloved PBA are facing unfortunately a brown struck our place during the entire tv show

they're talking about their era about Jaworski, Fernandez, Atoy, Bogs, Francis among others and how impactful those legends until now.

as for me, as a 90's kid the likes Menk, Alvarado, Clay, Hatfield, Abuda, Belasco, Harp, Kerby, Lago, Samboy, the Dann'ys, Rob Parker, Asi, Kwan, Terq, Devin, Chambers, Alaska team, 99 Tanduay team, 99 SMB, Strothers, Ken Travis etc. and those you mentioned are the personalities that still inculcated in my mind...that mayabang Vince St. Price shout "Parker to Johnson alley-op slam!! still lingering in the back of my head until now.

as I said, it seems odd and unpopular esp. to those purist...if only those stakeholders had this vision about globalization at that time we could somehow get some attention considering all those guys if my memory serves me right ALL OF THEM ARE WILLING TO REPRESENT the 3 Stars and a Sun..it's just that we are living in an unperfect world and issues about shams are very touchy during that time.

anyway, pass is pass it's just that the current situation about our beloved league are worrisome that is why we can't help but TO REMINISCE THE GOOD OLD DAYS.

but UNFORTUNATELY some people are taking it for granted. "bawi naman ang investment pagdating ng semis at championship games, ok lang yan.".

andyan naman si Barangay Tagay eh no prob.

[Rodbi]

Rob Parker's athleticism and overall offensive quality was unmatched by any local. He was like the Vince Carter of the PBA back then with his high-flying acts, which he also took to his lone PBA slam dunk contest participation. Even his defense was underrated. I remember during a game vs. the then-dynastic Alaska, a prime Devin Davis struggled against him, having 3 (or probably more) of his shots emphatically swatted away. Partnered with Kwan Johnson along with the solid local support of Limpot, Espino, Orquillas, et al., the PBA crowd during that 1999 Commissioner's Cup was bedazzled by the suddenly-dangerous Sta. Lucia Realtors team.

Too bad, he got the ire of the league's traditionalists/nationalists during one of the most difficult periods for any Fil-foreign player playing in the PBA. His on/off court attitude (shouting match with his coach, altercation with a female celeb who I can't remember her name, and some other issues i can't recall) didn't help his case either.

[magic_chiongson]

Parker from what I heard (I think from a Pinoy poster here) is a legit Fil-am. It's just that after the Fil-sham controversy, Parker didn't really bother to submit proper documents that would have proven he's a legit Fil-am.

Yeah, Parker would have been a valuable asset for the national team. He was like a Gabe Norwood but with a significantly better offensive game.

prolly the most athletic among the fil-ams/shams, even more athletic than healthy danny s. i can't remember how he was on defense but he was certainly explosive on offense

[JAMSKIE]

Alvarado is not direct hire right? main reason why bong tan hated the league because they did not do due diligence. Anyway Alvarado and Rob Parker could have been a deadly duo for the national team back in the day

atleast we got prime menk, hatfield and taulava in the national team, but we missed out on Danny Siegle

Parker from what I heard (I think from a Pinoy poster here) is a legit Fil-am. It's just that after the Fil-sham controversy, Parker didn't really bother to submit proper documents that would have proven he's a legit Fil-am.

Yeah, Parker would have been a valuable asset for the national team. He was like a Gabe Norwood but with a significantly better offensive game.

[CoJ]

From what I heard, Sonny Alvarado isn't a legit Fil-am. I think he's probably a Latin-American.

Alvarado is not direct hire right? main reason why bong tan hated the league because they did not do due diligence. Anyway Alvarado and Rob Parker could have been a deadly duo for the national team back in the day

atleast we got prime menk, hatfield and taulava in the national team, but we missed out on Danny Siegle

[JAMSKIE]

Alvarado, Clay and Harp could have played for the Philippines back then since the Hagop rule was only instituted in 2011.


Harp was suppose to be part of the national team but went awol after rape charges were filed against him. IFAIK Clay ws part of the Selecta/Hapee pool for the 2002 Asian Games.

Alvarado on the other hand left the country after being accused of being a fil-sham (oldtimers here, is he a legit pinoy or were the accusations correct?)

From what I heard, Sonny Alvarado isn't a legit Fil-am. I think he's probably a Latin-American.

[CoJ]

personally, I'm aware that it may seem to be odd and unpopular to others specially to those purist.

what if Alvarado, Clay and Harp played when before 16 policy was not fully implemented yet

and OCA rules are not that stringent especially in Asian Games where only passport and 3 Years residency are allowed be it you are naturalized or local born.

our basketball stakeholders are run by people who had a vision to go Global.

we've seen what happened in the recently held AG and the coming AG in Japan.

Alvarado, Clay and Harp could have played for the Philippines back then since the Hagop rule was only instituted in 2011.


Harp was suppose to be part of the national team but went awol after rape charges were filed against him. IFAIK Clay ws part of the Selecta/Hapee pool for the 2002 Asian Games.

Alvarado on the other hand left the country after being accused of being a fil-sham (oldtimers here, is he a legit pinoy or were the accusations correct?)

[reamily]

Nope bro. Danny Ildefonso had a pretty decent medium range jump shot even during his early years as a pro. He is in the same boat as a fellow big men Jun Limpot, Dennis Espino, Don Allado, Jerry Codinera, Benjie Paras, Bong Hawkins in terms of medium range shooting.

yup mid range of danny is there but he didnt capitalize it in international competition.. didnt extend it up to the fiba threepointa rea wher ehe will be given space.. And Danny ildefonso resorted to a back of the absket player in 2002 where he become or reverted back to his face up game late on his career..

[BJ_Reloaded]

personally, I'm aware that it may seem to be odd and unpopular to others specially to those purist.

what if Alvarado, Clay and Harp played when before 16 policy was not fully implemented yet

and OCA rules are not that stringent especially in Asian Games where only passport and 3 Years residency are allowed be it you are naturalized or local born.

our basketball stakeholders are run by people who had a vision to go Global.

we've seen what happened in the recently held AG and the coming AG in Japan.

[JAMSKIE]

With the Danny ildefonso & Danny Seigle comparison playing in international basketball, I think Ildefonso was a case of "just another big man out there in international basketball". Danny Seigle on the other hand, if he didn't get injured in his Achilles heel, would have been a quality international small forward which would have been within the same level as a Fadi El khatib & Samad Nikkah Bahrami.

Seigle's turnaround fade away jumper from short & medium range was money & very hard to contain.

[JAMSKIE]

too bad danny ildefonso didnt built his perimter game.. its just that only in 2005 taht he got used to it..

Nope bro. Danny Ildefonso had a pretty decent medium range jump shot even during his early years as a pro. He is in the same boat as a fellow big men Jun Limpot, Dennis Espino, Don Allado, Jerry Codinera, Benjie Paras, Bong Hawkins in terms of medium range shooting.

[CoJ]

I think Danny I was overrated. Yes he had the crowd pleasing dunks but how many championships did he win? SMB was an All star team then but they were not really dominant. As a center he was not even the primary defender as Dorian Pena was assigned to the bigger post threat or Nic Belasco. I think this was also reflected in his poor performance internationally. In compariosn Kirby Raymundo was not as popular but was much better internationally.

same here, Danny S was the true MVP of SMB during that period, too bad the narrative back then was anti Fil-Ams, statistically, Ildefonso’s numbers are not that impressive, Menk, Taulava and Espino had better stats ( see their respective wikipedia entries)

heck danny i never averaged more than 15 pts and 8.6 rbds