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  • #16
    Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post

    Danny Seigle the biggers what if in national team's history, always been hidden as secret weapon but always get injured before the actual tournament, i think that time nobody in asia can stop him
    Had Danny Seigle not sufferred such injury, I think he would had been in the same boat with Fadi El Khatib & Samad Nikkah Bahrami.

    Seigle's weakness though is on defense.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

      Not really. Danny Ildefonso was among the top big men in the PBA during that time. He was actually a natural center but since he had perimeter shooting & had decent agility, he could play the 4 spot easily.

      The only issue I think at that time was that people had somewhat unrealistic expectation on Danny I. Since Danny I was a 2-time PBA MVP, people expected him to be among the top 3 performers of the national team. You know the mentality of some pinoy basketball fans, pag magaling sa PBA eh magaling din yan sa international competition.The thing is, 6-foot-6 & above players of China, Korea, Japan, Kazakhstan, etc. are tougher, more physical & more skilled that the 6-5/6-6 players that Ildefonso was facing in the PBA. I saw Ildefonso not able to withstand to physicality of Japanese bigs in the competition.

      Danny Seigle on the other hand may not have won any PBA MVP, yet had the physical attributes & the skills of a quality small forward in Asian basketball.

      Judging from how Seigle played in this pocket tournament in Italy in 2002, I was confident Seigle would be able to exhibit same performance or even better in the Asian Games, if only he had not been injured.
      I think Danny I was overrated. Yes he had the crowd pleasing dunks but how many championships did he win? SMB was an All star team then but they were not really dominant. As a center he was not even the primary defender as Dorian Pena was assigned to the bigger post threat or Nic Belasco. I think this was also reflected in his poor performance internationally. In compariosn Kirby Raymundo was not as popular but was much better internationally.

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      • #18
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        • #19
          too bad danny ildefonso didnt built his perimter game.. its just that only in 2005 taht he got used to it..
          To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
          1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by reamily View Post
            too bad danny ildefonso didnt built his perimter game.. its just that only in 2005 taht he got used to it..
            Ildefonso played purely PF with this team alternating with Menk at 4. Taulava and Penissi at 5. I remember watching this team live against Melbourne Tigers in Araneta beating the latter with a buzzer beating shot from Menk.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Rds View Post

              I think Danny I was overrated. Yes he had the crowd pleasing dunks but how many championships did he win? SMB was an All star team then but they were not really dominant. As a center he was not even the primary defender as Dorian Pena was assigned to the bigger post threat or Nic Belasco. I think this was also reflected in his poor performance internationally. In compariosn Kirby Raymundo was not as popular but was much better internationally.
              same here, Danny S was the true MVP of SMB during that period, too bad the narrative back then was anti Fil-Ams, statistically, Ildefonso’s numbers are not that impressive, Menk, Taulava and Espino had better stats ( see their respective wikipedia entries)

              heck danny i never averaged more than 15 pts and 8.6 rbds

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              • #22
                Originally posted by reamily View Post
                too bad danny ildefonso didnt built his perimter game.. its just that only in 2005 taht he got used to it..
                Nope bro. Danny Ildefonso had a pretty decent medium range jump shot even during his early years as a pro. He is in the same boat as a fellow big men Jun Limpot, Dennis Espino, Don Allado, Jerry Codinera, Benjie Paras, Bong Hawkins in terms of medium range shooting.
                Last edited by JAMSKIE; 04-12-2024, 04:25 AM.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • #23
                  With the Danny ildefonso & Danny Seigle comparison playing in international basketball, I think Ildefonso was a case of "just another big man out there in international basketball". Danny Seigle on the other hand, if he didn't get injured in his Achilles heel, would have been a quality international small forward which would have been within the same level as a Fadi El khatib & Samad Nikkah Bahrami.

                  Seigle's turnaround fade away jumper from short & medium range was money & very hard to contain.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • #24
                    personally, I'm aware that it may seem to be odd and unpopular to others specially to those purist.

                    what if Alvarado, Clay and Harp played when before 16 policy was not fully implemented yet

                    and OCA rules are not that stringent especially in Asian Games where only passport and 3 Years residency are allowed be it you are naturalized or local born.

                    our basketball stakeholders are run by people who had a vision to go Global.

                    we've seen what happened in the recently held AG and the coming AG in Japan.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                      Nope bro. Danny Ildefonso had a pretty decent medium range jump shot even during his early years as a pro. He is in the same boat as a fellow big men Jun Limpot, Dennis Espino, Don Allado, Jerry Codinera, Benjie Paras, Bong Hawkins in terms of medium range shooting.
                      yup mid range of danny is there but he didnt capitalize it in international competition.. didnt extend it up to the fiba threepointa rea wher ehe will be given space.. And Danny ildefonso resorted to a back of the absket player in 2002 where he become or reverted back to his face up game late on his career..
                      Last edited by reamily; 04-12-2024, 09:29 AM.
                      To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                      1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post
                        personally, I'm aware that it may seem to be odd and unpopular to others specially to those purist.

                        what if Alvarado, Clay and Harp played when before 16 policy was not fully implemented yet

                        and OCA rules are not that stringent especially in Asian Games where only passport and 3 Years residency are allowed be it you are naturalized or local born.

                        our basketball stakeholders are run by people who had a vision to go Global.

                        we've seen what happened in the recently held AG and the coming AG in Japan.
                        Alvarado, Clay and Harp could have played for the Philippines back then since the Hagop rule was only instituted in 2011.


                        Harp was suppose to be part of the national team but went awol after rape charges were filed against him. IFAIK Clay ws part of the Selecta/Hapee pool for the 2002 Asian Games.

                        Alvarado on the other hand left the country after being accused of being a fil-sham (oldtimers here, is he a legit pinoy or were the accusations correct?)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                          Alvarado, Clay and Harp could have played for the Philippines back then since the Hagop rule was only instituted in 2011.


                          Harp was suppose to be part of the national team but went awol after rape charges were filed against him. IFAIK Clay ws part of the Selecta/Hapee pool for the 2002 Asian Games.

                          Alvarado on the other hand left the country after being accused of being a fil-sham (oldtimers here, is he a legit pinoy or were the accusations correct?)
                          From what I heard, Sonny Alvarado isn't a legit Fil-am. I think he's probably a Latin-American.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                            From what I heard, Sonny Alvarado isn't a legit Fil-am. I think he's probably a Latin-American.
                            Alvarado is not direct hire right? main reason why bong tan hated the league because they did not do due diligence. Anyway Alvarado and Rob Parker could have been a deadly duo for the national team back in the day

                            atleast we got prime menk, hatfield and taulava in the national team, but we missed out on Danny Siegle

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                              Alvarado is not direct hire right? main reason why bong tan hated the league because they did not do due diligence. Anyway Alvarado and Rob Parker could have been a deadly duo for the national team back in the day

                              atleast we got prime menk, hatfield and taulava in the national team, but we missed out on Danny Siegle
                              Parker from what I heard (I think from a Pinoy poster here) is a legit Fil-am. It's just that after the Fil-sham controversy, Parker didn't really bother to submit proper documents that would have proven he's a legit Fil-am.

                              Yeah, Parker would have been a valuable asset for the national team. He was like a Gabe Norwood but with a significantly better offensive game.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                                Parker from what I heard (I think from a Pinoy poster here) is a legit Fil-am. It's just that after the Fil-sham controversy, Parker didn't really bother to submit proper documents that would have proven he's a legit Fil-am.

                                Yeah, Parker would have been a valuable asset for the national team. He was like a Gabe Norwood but with a significantly better offensive game.
                                prolly the most athletic among the fil-ams/shams, even more athletic than healthy danny s. i can't remember how he was on defense but he was certainly explosive on offense

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