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  • #61
    Dont tell me that Philippine colleges and universisties ean alot thru online betting sites with their gazillion of pre season tournaments
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
    1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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    • #62
      Jonel Policarpio scoring 7 crucial pts. in the last 2 mins to give La Salle a breather in the stretch as the Green Archers survived St. Claire, 83-74.

      Mike Philipps seems has decent perimeter defense.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • #63
        Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
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        Mike Philipps seems has decent perimeter defense.
        When you evaluate upside potential, it's these very things like lateralls that you look for, i know i sound so repetitive hyping Mike, but we really have an untapped with excellent upside literally playing in our local gym, waiting for the SBP to use.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

          When you evaluate upside potential, it's these very things like lateralls that you look for, i know i sound so repetitive hyping Mike, but we really have an untapped with excellent upside literally playing in our local gym, waiting for the SBP to use.
          i don't think anyone will question mike's defensive upside. however tho, what do you think about his offensive upside? i don't think there's much left to be tapped into tho. still an excellent choice for gilas of course.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by dubidub View Post

            i don't think anyone will question mike's defensive upside. however tho, what do you think about his offensive upside? i don't think there's much left to be tapped into tho. still an excellent choice for gilas of course.
            Mike literally has very little basketball years of professional focus development , if you look at his dribbling he only dribbles with his right .. i really think given enough repetition he can improve. I'm not expecting him to be Larry bird or magic johnson handles Lol, but certainly there is room for improvment with reps..

            just thinking of what is realistic archetype for Mike ,,, hmm, maybe a dreymond green type, i noticed his vision is actually not bad... with more reps , he will be able to read the game better
            Last edited by DAdmiral; 06-01-2023, 03:04 AM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

              Mike literally has very little basketball years of professional focus development , if you look at his dribbling he only dribbles with his right .. i really think given enough repetition he can improve. I'm not expecting him to be Larry bird or magic johnson handles Lol, but certainly there is room for improvment with reps..

              just thinking of what is realistic archetype for Mike ,,, hmm, maybe a dreymond green type, i noticed his vision is actually not bad... with more reps , he will be able to read the game better
              I look at Mike Philipps as a big man version of a Gabe Norwood. As we saw Norwood in Gilas, he was there as a defensive wing specialist. But his offense had always been a question mark, he didn't have a decent 3-pt. shooting for a wing & he was just too passive in offense (he was not even among the best fastbreak finishers of Gilas). But becoz of Norwood's exceptional defensive skills, he had been very serviceable for Gilas. The thing is, Philippine basketball didn't have anyone who can replicate Norwood's role as a good size wing defender during the late 2000's to the late 2010's era, which made Norwood's value to the national team even greater. I say, Norwood was more valuable than a Jeff Chan, a Japeth Aguilar or even a Junmar Fajardo during the 2013 to 2019 period.

              The same might be the case of Mike Philipps. Offense wise, Philipps may never come close to the likes of a Carl Tamayo, Justin Baltazar, Jamie Malonzo or a Mason Amos, but becoz of Philipps' exceptional defensive skills & rebounding prowess, he may be as valuable or even more valuable than any of these players mentioned as far as Gilas is concerned.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • #67
                Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                Mike literally has very little basketball years of professional focus development , if you look at his dribbling he only dribbles with his right .. i really think given enough repetition he can improve. I'm not expecting him to be Larry bird or magic johnson handles Lol, but certainly there is room for improvment with reps..

                just thinking of what is realistic archetype for Mike ,,, hmm, maybe a dreymond green type, i noticed his vision is actually not bad... with more reps , he will be able to read the game better
                personally i would rather he just focus on the things he does best rebound, hustle, defend. i wouldn't want him to dabble too much into ball handling because we have other players better suited for that role anyway. i'd probably want him to be a bigger pingris and develop more post moves. his vision could be used if he's used as a hub at the high post but i really wouldn't want him to be handling the ball a lot. id want him to cut and crash the offensive boards instead.

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                • #68
                  I agree the defensive focus for Mike, and the Gabe comparison in terms of defensive impact, but from the 4 and small ball 5 spot
                  can be an invaluable player for Gilas due to the unique role needed .

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                    I look at Mike Philipps as a big man version of a Gabe Norwood. As we saw Norwood in Gilas, he was there as a defensive wing specialist. But his offense had always been a question mark, he didn't have a decent 3-pt. shooting for a wing & he was just too passive in offense (he was not even among the best fastbreak finishers of Gilas). But becoz of Norwood's exceptional defensive skills, he had been very serviceable for Gilas. The thing is, Philippine basketball didn't have anyone who can replicate Norwood's role as a good size wing defender during the late 2000's to the late 2010's era, which made Norwood's value to the national team even greater. I say, Norwood was more valuable than a Jeff Chan, a Japeth Aguilar or even a Junmar Fajardo during the 2013 to 2019 period.

                    The same might be the case of Mike Philipps. Offense wise, Philipps may never come close to the likes of a Carl Tamayo, Justin Baltazar, Jamie Malonzo or a Mason Amos, but becoz of Philipps' exceptional defensive skills & rebounding prowess, he may be as valuable or even more valuable than any of these players mentioned as far as Gilas is concerned.
                    in fairness to Gabe, i recall him being a much better shooter whenever he donned the Gilas jersey. Then of course his shooting would regress back once in the PBA. lol

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                    • #70
                      Mike P can be a Rodman type of player because of his motor, length and athleticism.

                      He will be lethal in the pba setting because he can be a Rodman type of player in that league and be effective.

                      In the Gilas setting though, he would need to have shooting. Shooting is easier to work on (as long as the form is not broken) compared to trying to learn advanced ball-handling when someone is already old. If he develops a consistent shot, he can be our Rodman-lite but with a jumper. Rodman is known for rebounding and defense but was also a really good passer.

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                      • #71
                        60-54 win by FEU over ADMU

                        ADMU played w/o padrigao, mason amos, koon
                        Philippine Malditas to FIFA Womens World Cup 2023

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Metta View Post
                          Mike P can be a Rodman type of player because of his motor, length and athleticism.

                          He will be lethal in the pba setting because he can be a Rodman type of player in that league and be effective.

                          In the Gilas setting though, he would need to have shooting. Shooting is easier to work on (as long as the form is not broken) compared to trying to learn advanced ball-handling when someone is already old. If he develops a consistent shot, he can be our Rodman-lite but with a jumper. Rodman is known for rebounding and defense but was also a really good passer.
                          Agree with U that shooting is easier to improve than ball handling when a player isn't that young anymore. We've seen PBA players getting significant improvement on their shooting when they were already in their mid to late 20's. The same could not be said about dribbling or ball handling.

                          I'm confident, with proper trainning & focus, Mike Philipps can develop a respectable medium range jumper & have a decent offense even in FIBA level game.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                            60-54 win by FEU over ADMU

                            ADMU played w/o padrigao, mason amos, koon
                            good win by FEU atleast they played without Gonzales, Alforque, Bautista and Tempra. Good thing is they can a afford to play a bigger backcourt for some stretches, Sleat and Cholo doing PG role plus his shooting improving in the recent games. 6'4" wing baby tam Luke Felipe is usual to his shooting, Pasaol playing like a veteran. Renzo Competente is arriving this month i think. I think they have a shot atleast the last 4 spot in the UAAP F4. former ateneo/csb assistant coach gabby severino is now with FEU coaching group.
                            LA Clippers(bcoz of PG13)
                            Morayta

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by dubidub View Post

                              in fairness to Gabe, i recall him being a much better shooter whenever he donned the Gilas jersey. Then of course his shooting would regress back once in the PBA. lol
                              Looking at RealGM, Gabe shoots at 26% and a little bet lower than his PBA stats in 3pts. But he is a low volume not even 1 attempt a game shooter so he will not be consider a reliable shooter in FIBA or PBA.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by zairex View Post

                                Looking at RealGM, Gabe shoots at 26% and a little bet lower than his PBA stats in 3pts. But he is a low volume not even 1 attempt a game shooter so he will not be consider a reliable shooter in FIBA or PBA.
                                For a guy who was tall, skilled, athletic and had a good shooting motion I could never figure why Gabe didnt try to score more. Its as if he hates scoring. I would say he was the MVP of those competitive ROS teams. He was the leagues best defender for years. He passed, dribbled up the ball and could shoot if he wanted to.

                                It looked to me like he was consciously limiting his game and was content to be a defender facilitator. This is funny because the other ROS scorers were low FG shooters except maybe for Paul Lee. He was so good he would play a lot of minutes despite barely scoring. I dont think there has been another PBA guard/forward like that.

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