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  • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

    2008 Ginebra can rival that... No Caguioa, Menk was washed, Hatfield was injured.. It was only led by Alexander (A 7 feet skilled big man), Helterbrand and bunch of role players such as Artadi, Tubid, Macapagal and Salvacion... or 2012 ROS team who won a championship against very strong BMEG Llyamados.. They don't have Paul Lee and just led by bunch of role players such as Belga, Norwood, Quinahan, Tang and rising star Chan...
    let me fck check you sadik, that Ginebra team is not weak, first Caguioa though hobbled played until game 7 but one of the top scorers in that conference, Jayjay only missed the last few games of the finals and was the BPC, Menk was the finals mvp with Tubid, Hatfield was on leave and was not injured, Ginebra won 13 straight and swept Red Bull there's no way that it's a weaker team than the current Meralco, plus the role players were good they even have Junthy Valenzuela , Mark Macapagal was already with Coca Cola during that time, i don't know where do you get your infos and confidently posting it here as if it's a fact but i don't blame you, you are a TNT fan, so saying that Ginebra team is weaker than this Meralco team is just outright rubbish

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    • Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post

      let me fck check you sadik, that Ginebra team is not weak, first Caguioa though hobbled played until game 7 but one of the top scorers in that conference, Jayjay only missed the last few games of the finals and was the BPC, Menk was the finals mvp with Tubid, Hatfield was on leave and was not injured, Ginebra won 13 straight and swept Red Bull there's no way that it's a weaker team than the current Meralco, plus the role players were good they even have Junthy Valenzuela , Mark Macapagal was already with Coca Cola during that time, i don't know where do you get your infos and confidently posting it here as if it's a fact but i don't blame you, you are a TNT fan, so saying that Ginebra team is weaker than this Meralco team is just outright rubbish
      Maybe better than this current Meralco team but they are weaker than any SMB championship teams, San Mig coffee/Purefoods championship teams, TNT championship teams or atleast the 2008 AFC Sta Lucia or 2016 ROS championship teams… 2008 Ginebra battling w/ injuries and they were underdogs against rising Air21 led by David, Canaleta, Santos, RDO and Thomas… Maybe you misunderstood my post, the topic was weakest championship teams…Do you think they are better atleast against the 2013 last championship of Alaska team?
      Last edited by Giannis34GOD; 06-10-2024, 04:52 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

        Maybe better than this current Meralco team but they are weaker than any SMB championship teams, San Mig coffee/Purefoods championship teams, TNT championship teams or atleast the 2008 AFC Sta Lucia or 2016 ROS championship teams… 2008 Ginebra battling w/ injuries and they were underdogs against rising Air21 led by David, Canaleta, Santos, RDO and Thomas… Maybe you misunderstood my post, the topic was weakest championship teams…Do you think they are better atleast against the 2013 last championship of Alaska team?
        yes they were i am a ginebra fan so i know the history of my team, that team was not battling injury up until the finals, they started 2-7 because of wrong choice of imports but 8-1 in the second round and was 16-1 before the game 2 lost in the finals, that team was strong on both sides, Mark and Jayjay were at their prime, Tubid is one of the best 2 way player in the league, Alexander was a gem of an import , while the supporting cast are good too, one of the deepest ginebra teams in recent memory, even the corpse of Vic Pablo was useful, Ginebra became underdog when Jayjay went down and Mark was hobbling but Ginebra's depth and experienced still prevailed, but calling that team weak compare to other champion teams is rubbish, a team will not win 19 out of its last 23 games if that team is weak, and that team swept the same sta lucia 2008 champion team with an import in the quarterfinals though its only best of 3 but they beat them 3/4 times in that conference, the winning streak could even be up to 17 games if not for Ginebra's lone defeat against Red Bull in the 2nd round of elimination, that 2008 run of Ginebra is one of the best runs of a team, sweeping Yeng's Red Bull is not an easy feat, though this run too played a big part on why it took 8 years before they won again, as it started Mark's downfall though he still won an MVP award after 4 years but he was just a shadow of his old self, even Junthy Valenzuela never fully recovered after his injury in this finals and ended up retiring early


        here is the lineup of that 2008 team

        Mamaril
        Reavis
        Menk
        Crisano
        Alexander
        Wilson
        Pablo
        Santos
        Salvacion
        Tubid
        Valenzuela
        Pacana
        Artadi
        Helterbrand
        Caguioa
        Macky Escalona

        it may not be a collection of stars compare to the current PBA, but this team has depth and one of the best defensive teams in that conference
        team ended up

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        • Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post

          yes they were i am a ginebra fan so i know the history of my team, that team was not battling injury up until the finals, they started 2-7 because of wrong choice of imports but 8-1 in the second round and was 16-1 before the game 2 lost in the finals, that team was strong on both sides, Mark and Jayjay were at their prime, Tubid is one of the best 2 way player in the league, Alexander was a gem of an import , while the supporting cast are good too, one of the deepest ginebra teams in recent memory, even the corpse of Vic Pablo was useful, Ginebra became underdog when Jayjay went down and Mark was hobbling but Ginebra's depth and experienced still prevailed, but calling that team weak compare to other champion teams is rubbish, a team will not win 19 out of its last 23 games if that team is weak, and that team swept the same sta lucia 2008 champion team with an import in the quarterfinals though its only best of 3 but they beat them 3/4 times in that conference, the winning streak could even be up to 17 games if not for Ginebra's lone defeat against Red Bull in the 2nd round of elimination, that 2008 run of Ginebra is one of the best runs of a team, sweeping Yeng's Red Bull is not an easy feat, though this run too played a big part on why it took 8 years before they won again, as it started Mark's downfall though he still won an MVP award after 4 years but he was just a shadow of his old self, even Junthy Valenzuela never fully recovered after his injury in this finals and ended up retiring early


          here is the lineup of that 2008 team

          Mamaril
          Reavis
          Menk
          Crisano
          Alexander
          Wilson
          Pablo
          Santos
          Salvacion
          Tubid
          Valenzuela
          Pacana
          Artadi
          Helterbrand
          Caguioa
          Macky Escalona

          it may not be a collection of stars compare to the current PBA, but this team has depth and one of the best defensive teams in that conference
          team ended up
          Still not that strong as you think compare to those champion teams from SMB this Gen Z era, The grandslam season of San Mig Coffee, Ginebra from 2016 and TNT from 2010-2013... Forget about who are our teams we support.. Just look the line ups on paper.... Only ROS championship run of 2012 and 2016 that we can say weaker than 2008 Ginebra team... I think even the 2004 and 2007 championship runs of Ginebra was deeper roster compare to 2008... Or i think 2008 Ginebra is better than 2018 Govs cup champs Magnolia... But if Meralco wins this series... They might be probably the weakest line up who will win the championship on paper but will be the most impressive run I've ever seen since i became a PBA fan in the 90's... beating 2 of the most loaded teams in PBA today are probably more memorable than ever, Even the run of Powerade cinderella story of 2012...

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          • Amidst their fierce battle for the PBA Philippine Cup crown, the San Miguel Beermen and Meralco Bolts have come together to show their unwavering support for Filipino athletes heading to the Paris 2024 Summer Olympics. Before Game Four at the Smart Araneta Coliseum on Wednesday, players from both teams donned Philippine Olympian-themed shirts featuring the […]

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            • SMB basically winning the game with 1:30 left. Foul trouble in the 4th forced him to sit out several minutes. This forced bench players to score like Vic Manuel, Romeo and others. This is where SMB's depth came into play. Junemar was fresh in the 4th and was a presence on offense and defense. Gallent needs to maximize his bench and let JMF rest like in this game. Player per player they are more talented and they have the best player in Junemar. They should win. For the first time they reached they reached their average of 107 in the conference. It is because they maximized their bench.

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              • If Meralco will lose his series that Game 2 late game blunder would continue to haunt them in the years to come. This might be their best chance of winning it all with the impending free agency of Newsome.

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                • Meralco 92, SMB- 88

                  Gallent was outcoached by Nenad. Only JMF scored for SMB. Gallent could not develop any plays to make non-JMF 5s score enough. They won game 4 because JMF was able to rest and had enough juice in the 4th. This game Vic Manuel could not score on post-ups and so JMF had to return sooner because they were losing the game without him. Other SMB players need to hit their open shots or else it will be another SMB lost.

                  SMB don't run fastbreaks because of June Mar. They should try running more with him on the bench.

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                  • I wanna see Meralco with that title without the help of Allen Durham! Makes it more amazing.

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                    • Hands off for meralco in out playing smb in the series if not for that game 2 hiccup, they couldve won 4-1 but smb might out luck them in the next two games..as nobody beats junmar fajardo led smb in less than seven games ever since Ginebra beat them in 2018..its like demanding meralco to do what they have planned and execute it 5 times in 7 games..
                      To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                      1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                      • will we see brandon bates breakout (scoring double digits to finish smb for good)i ll see /meralco foul bait junmar all game long to try him to foul out
                        To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                        1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                        • Oddmakers believe there will be a game 7.

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                          • Please don't melt down Meralco...

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                            • I can’t believe how SMB has not adjusted their defensive schemes in helping out Junemar in the PNR. Also their offenseive sets have not changed as much.

                              Meralco is milking SMB in the PNR by targeting Junemar. And they are playing with urgency as if they’re the ones down in this series.

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                              • JMF with the clutch 3!!

                                edit: newsome with a clutch 2

                                what a game

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