2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[Giannis34GOD]

Age ( when one starts residency and acquires passport) is significantly factored when granting exception, the reason being is the exception is for an age cutt off base rule ( U16) , the rational for the rule also puts a big emphasis on locally developed ( so year residency as a teenager in school is very different from residency as an adult professional in mid 20s) Philipps has the biggest chance for an exception . Ross lives in Philippines for 14 years and it still doesn't matter.

to me the Asiad and SEA games should just put a permanent eligibility rule of passport plus residency ( 3- 5 years) tapos. this gives adequate opportunities for ineligible to represent their country

Because no one lobbying him (Ross) to be exempted... His situation is same as Federick Lish and Moses Morgan of Thailand, Nick Calathes of Greece and Justin Young of Vietnam... If SBP lobby Ross' case to be exempted then he will surely get that exemption... But since his position is already loaded and it will be no benefit for long term then he has no chance aside that SBP needs to pay for Ross' case... If i were SBP, I would rather put my resources on younger ones likes of Phillips or other young ineligible players to be use long term....

[Giannis34GOD]

It’s given that we can’t get most of our ineligibles to get FIBA exemption this coming Asiad. Opposition may come from the host country China. But comes 2027 FIBA WC in Qatar I believe many of our Fil-foreigners will be granted exemption. Given the fact that Qatar, the host has a penchant of utilising naturalised or foreign born players. They will be most probably lenient in this matter. Oil rich Arab countries like Qatar has strong lobby influence in Asian sports hierarchy.

I feel that China will use FIBA rules on eligibility plus 3 year rule on naturalized players in this edition of Asiad this October... That's China by the way... They want to take that position to be at advantage... Same for sure with Japan in 2026... Since Japan doesn't have that mixed blood players for basketball players... Maybe on 2030 in Qatar and 2034 in KSA....

[yobabs715ph]

I feel that China will use FIBA rules on eligibility plus 3 year rule on naturalized players in this edition of Asiad this October... That's China by the way... They want to take that position to be at advantage... Same for sure with Japan in 2026... Since Japan doesn't have that mixed blood players for basketball players... Maybe on 2030 in Qatar and 2034 in KSA....

What you saying is Japan doesn't use a mixed blood players? Is Hachimura does not ring a bell for you? There are a couple mixed blood players in their U16 and U18 youth team. In their women team 3X3 team they have also a mixed blood player.

[Giannis34GOD]

What you saying is Japan doesn't use a mixed blood players? Is Hachimura does not ring a bell for you? There are a couple mixed blood players in their U16 and U18 youth team. In their women team 3X3 team they have also a mixed blood player.

That is FIBA ineligible in my case... By the way Hachimura and some mixed blood your talking about are FIBA eligible... They are not focusing on FIBA ineligible players in case of Japan.. That's why like China, Japan will likely use FIBA eligibility rule for basketball event... And since 2026 Asian Games in Japan will be held Sept. 19 to October 4 on that year, Hachimura and Watanabe will not be available for Japan (If they are still in the NBA that time) due to NBA training camp and pre season games are always held in that dates... Remember, like SEAG, Asian games giving the host privilege what they want to implement, If they want the OCA rules (just like 2018 in Indonesia) then that's it but they will also have the option to choose outside of it, Just in case in Korea in 2014, when they implemented FIBA rules plus 3 year residency on Naturalized players (only 1 should parade)...

[BJ_Reloaded]

Before we close this thread let must be reminded that the possibility of implementing that so-called “Passport Only Policy” will be here for good as far as SEA Games are concern. As much as we act as purist here we have to be realistic that to be able to compete on Gilas mano a mano, our Asean bros. will still use that provision moving forward because if they can’t tap the services of their own hafus and naturalized, the basketball competition on every future SEA Games will always favor on our sides.

Now that Thailand will host the 2025 edition for the nth time the possibility that they will beef up their respective line-up with several naturalize up to their 10^th spot to make them even more deeper same with Cambodia, Indonesia and Vietnam or even the likes of Malaysia and Brunei may field an all Naturalize guys because those Asean bros. had a deeper pockets than ours especially with Cambodia, Thailand and Brunei whose monarchies are filthy rich. With that development, we are also gain some advantage as well because we had so many high level young ineligibles nowadays and we really need all the merits we could get to somehow get some approval for exemption despite being a long shot. The likes of Tyler Lambs, Moses Morgan, Fred Lish of THA and Brandon Juwato of INA despite getting only their respective passport on their 20’s and only involved in their domestic leagues in their mid-20’s and fast forward they are now considered as local in the eyes of the higher ups. Let that decision be our motivation as well.

On a personal note being a purist and at the same time a realistic sports fan it will be interesting and very exciting as well because competition will be much higher and unpredictable from the get go. I am fully aware that the spirit of fair play will be questioned but we are now living in the world of globalization wherein there is almost no more boundaries and restrictions hence there is no surprising that theirs a lot of mixed race, half-breeds and hafus out there… oh btw. And many people nowadays wants to own multiple passports for their own personal convenience and career growth especially on Athletes and Professional/Business Expats…indeed, the influence of Robert Ludlum’s Jason Bourne are very much IN nowadays and I admit I’m an avid fan of that fictitious character.

[DAdmiral]

Because no one lobbying him (Ross) to be exempted... His situation is same as Federick Lish and Moses Morgan of Thailand, Nick Calathes of Greece and Justin Young of Vietnam... If SBP lobby Ross' case to be exempted then he will surely get that exemption... But since his position is already loaded and it will be no benefit for long term then he has no chance aside that SBP needs to pay for Ross' case... If i were SBP, I would rather put my resources on younger ones likes of Phillips or other young ineligible players to be use long term....

This is incorrect, 1st the SBP has actually been submitting recently names to FiBA for exception. Unlike in previous years with the advise of FiBA on the guidelines they are now filtering the list to be submitted to those who have reasonable chance of approval, part of the filtering process is they are no longer submitting players who acquired passport over 22 yrs old and established start of residency in their mid 20s (25 yrs old ), why is this ? Simple the reasons for rejection cited by FIbA in their letter of decision for Pringle and Standhardinger explicitly mentiones this as a reason for the decision for rejection .
now please do not mix term lobbying with submitted request (which is a standard transparent legal process), lobbying is referring to influencing decision making to get a favorable outcome ( this is essentially undue illegal influence, Paki usap bribes)

Note Roosevelt Adams, , Chris Newsome, and guard Maverick Ahanmisi the SBP requested clearance for all 3 and they got it , yet there isnt a real need to use all 3 in FIBA. , stop the speculation..

Robert , it's best you don't tallk about these matters by using speculation, as the information you are stating is incorrect and misleading

[ja.he]

This is incorrect, 1st the SBP has actually been submitting recently names to FiBA for exception. Unlike in previous years with the advise of FiBA on the guidelines they are now filtering the list to be submitted to those who have reasonable chance of approval, part of the filtering process is they are no longer submitting players who acquired passport over 22 yrs old and established start of residency in their mid 20s (25 yrs old ), why is this ? Simple the reasons for rejection cited by FIbA in their letter of decision for Pringle and Standhardinger explicitly mentiones this as a reason for the decision for rejection .
now please do not mix term lobbying with submitted request (which is a standard transparent legal process), lobbying is referring to influencing decision making to get a favorable outcome ( this is essentially undue illegal influence, Paki usap bribes)

Note Roosevelt Adams, , Chris Newsome, and guard Maverick Ahanmisi the SBP requested clearance for all 3 and they got it , yet there isnt a real need to use all 3 in FIBA. , stop the speculation..

Robert , it's best you don't tallk about these matters by using speculation, as the information you are stating is incorrect and misleading

So there is still a chance for Zave Lucero to be exempted. Zave started his residency here at age 21-22 - around the age when Newsome first came in the Philippines.

[DAdmiral]

So there is still a chance for Zave Lucero to be exempted. Zave started his residency here at age 21-22 - around the age when Newsome first came in the Philippines.

Yes perhaps.. I'm always wary of giving a definite answer , cause there may be information were not aware of , I remember the Jawato case, were someone were using it as the basis , that if he got exempted then surely Xxx will get exempted, it doesn't necessarily work that way. For instance we later found out Jawato spent some years with his father in Indonesia as a minor ..( we weren't aware of that info).
like I'm not sure I know all the details on Newsome or Greg and certainly not Zave . , but at the very least I guess it's a possibility
I can tell you hundreds of story of media questioning why so so was decided in a case. , but what the public isn't aware of is a specific detail pala (like the applicant has a criminal record pala or prior incident not reported)

[ja.he]

Yes perhaps.. I'm always wary of giving a definite answer , cause there may be information were not aware of , I remember the Jawato case, were someone were using it as the basis , that if he got exempted then surely Xxx will get exempted, it doesn't necessarily work that way. For instance we later found out Jawato spent some years with his father in Indonesia as a minor ..( we weren't aware of that info).
like I'm not sure I know all the details on Newsome or Greg and certainly not Zave . , but at the very least I guess it's a possibility
I can tell you hundreds of story of media questioning why so so was decided in a case. , but what the public isn't aware of is a specific detail pala (like the applicant has a criminal record pala or prior incident not reported)

Like the stories of Roosevelt Adams and Jamie Malonzo. We all thought that these two are ineligible. But they are eligible all this time just that we never bothered to ask them.

[JAMSKIE]

This is incorrect, 1st the SBP has actually been submitting recently names to FiBA for exception. Unlike in previous years with the advise of FiBA on the guidelines they are now filtering the list to be submitted to those who have reasonable chance of approval, part of the filtering process is they are no longer submitting players who acquired passport over 22 yrs old and established start of residency in their mid 20s (25 yrs old ), why is this ? Simple the reasons for rejection cited by FIbA in their letter of decision for Pringle and Standhardinger explicitly mentiones this as a reason for the decision for rejection .
now please do not mix term lobbying with submitted request (which is a standard transparent legal process), lobbying is referring to influencing decision making to get a favorable outcome ( this is essentially undue illegal influence, Paki usap bribes)

Note Roosevelt Adams, , Chris Newsome, and guard Maverick Ahanmisi the SBP requested clearance for all 3 and they got it , yet there isnt a real need to use all 3 in FIBA. , stop the speculation..

Robert , it's best you don't tallk about these matters by using speculation, as the information you are stating is incorrect and misleading

Good that u explained this matter, especially the bolded part. Thanks

[reamily]

Vietnams Justin young got his passport at 25 yet been classified as local by fiba recently..Freddie lish was old as f when he become local in fiba..

[DAdmiral]

Vietnams Justin young got his passport at 25 yet been classified as local by fiba recently..Freddie lish was old as f when he become local in fiba..

Again we don't know all the details, like in the case of of Mav a supporting date stamp document was provided , and in case of Jawato he lived as a minor with his parents in Indonesia, but regardless you cannot use other cases that may be exception to the norm as the basis of must mean applies to others or all, does not work that way

[reamily]

Again we don't know all the details, like in the case of of Mav a supporting date stamp document was provided , and in case of Jawato he lived as a minor with his parents in Indonesia, but regardless you cannot use other cases that may be exception to the norm as the basis of must mean applies to others or all, does not work that way

It might become like a courtroom battle but for SBP just need to stay the course... on doing the right way (just like what we done in sea games)..and do it on diplomatic way that not only benefits us but our asean neighbors as well (diaspora thing)

[zuma169]

you know what frustrates me.. Matt Ganuelas Rosser is a local and can play as a local and yet his brother Brandon Ganuellas Rosser is an ineligible.. they are freakin brothers.. all boils down to mere papers and place of birth... hayyyy....

[reamily]

you know what frustrates me.. Matt Ganuelas Rosser is a local and can play as a local and yet his brother Brandon Ganuellas Rosser is an ineligible.. they are freakin brothers.. all boils down to mere papers... hayyyy....

We can be more diplomatic on that approach..I think what they need is a dna test hahaha..