2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[paolylo]

OK, let me rephrase. I just don't want us to continue the practice of overly relying on the PBA, especially if the season structure means that training and availability will be compromised. Use the collegiate leagues and foreign leagues if we have to. If not now, then the future.

I agree though that one-and-done culture has to be more common in the Philippines, so that the talented players can better develop. Better chance of improvement when playing or practicing against better competition. Yeah, the college culture here holds back the potential of our good players.

We can't. The competition was already stiff in 2015 for a team of college players, if Tab didn't have Douthit... they'd surely lose to teams with pro-level players without a naturalized player. 2017 had Jong and Chot coaching a mix of pros and college players. 2019 was all about "sending the best" because we were the hosts. It's now a farce with teams like Cambodia who don't give a damn about FIBA eligibility and countries like Thailand and Indonesia who have way more firepower.

[reamily]

Issue is womens team, we cant be defeated by 2 point shooting team and as for the 5v5 they deafted that team with pierre louis on board..as for 3x3.. the best prospects.. if brownlee can play let him play in asiad

[Bonifacio]

We can't. The competition was already stiff in 2015 for a team of college players, if Tab didn't have Douthit... they'd surely lose to teams with pro-level players without a naturalized player. 2017 had Jong and Chot coaching a mix of pros and college players. 2019 was all about "sending the best" because we were the hosts. It's now a farce with teams like Cambodia who don't give a damn about FIBA eligibility and countries like Thailand and Indonesia who have way more firepower.

Philippines didn't give a damn also about FIBA eligibility....how many players did Gilas use that are not FIBA eligible...we had Rosser, Standhardinger, Ross, Phillips,

If we are to count American blood in Gilas, you can count 5 (Brownlee count as 1 while Standhardinger, Rosser, Ross, Lassiter, Amos, Phillips, Perez and Newsome count as 4). Cambodia team American blood is counted as 5.5 so not that different.

If you count American passports, Gilas will have 8 while Cambodia will have only 6

[reamily]

Hopefully oscar lopes play in asia(abl).. he has asean heritage and can help cambodia have some respectability

[Rds]

I think Malonzo works best as a 3 especially against taller opponents, he was only used as a 4 because of the lack of bigs.

I already said no Kouame. It seems to me that a big man rotation of CS, Rosser and Philipps is better than that of Kai, Japeth and Malonzo. For this reason this SEA team can defeat our Fiba team. Let's say the Fiba NP is JC. Of course in my book, a healthy Kouame is still our best Fiba big.

[ja.he]

Philippines didn't give a damn also about FIBA eligibility....how many players did Gilas use that are not FIBA eligible...we had Rosser, Standhardinger, Ross, Phillips,

If we are to count American blood in Gilas, you can count 5 (Brownlee count as 1 while Standhardinger, Rosser, Ross, Lassiter, Amos, Phillips, Perez and Newsome count as 4). Cambodia team American blood is counted as 5.5 so not that different.

If you count American passports, Gilas will have 8 while Cambodia will have only 6

perez is a homegrown. raised, studied and residing in the philippines. fluent in tagalog, ilocano and pangasinense. can't even speak in english.

philipps studies college here in the philippines and a fluent tagalog speaker as well. newsome, on the other hand, studied here in the philippines. in a way, you can feel localness from them. they are no way mercenaries like those from cambodia.

[Bonifacio]

perez is a homegrown. raised, studied and residing in the philippines. fluent in tagalog, ilocano and pangasinense. can't even speak in english.

philipps studies college here in the philippines and a fluent tagalog speaker as well. newsome, on the other hand, studied here in the philippines. in a way, you can feel localness from them. they are no way mercenaries like those from cambodia.

Do these mercenaries have a distinct advantage over our Gilas players....not really....Our 8 players have the same body type as their 6 players.....7 of our players have the same education/upbringing as their 6 players....not one of the Cambodian players played in the NBA (I think) unlike Brownlee who played in the NBA.

[shootingbwakaw]

Anong gagawin mo jan coach? Titira ng 3 points? We escaped a technical foul. The greatest artista coach. I still remember his jumping up-down playdate with the Greek referee.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Hopefully oscar lopes play in asia(abl).. he has asean heritage and can help cambodia have some respectability

you know what, these are the type of players PBA must capitalize on. No doubt were still the best league in SEA region why don't they allow teams to hire Southeast Asian, West Asian, East Asian imports + 2 world imports during Gov/Commisioners Cup to add flavor and competition to the league.

Tyler Lamb, Grahita, Oscar Lopez, Christian Juzang, DMX, Wael Arakji, El Darwich in the PBA? + NBA caliber & journeymen-type imports? That MIGHT stir interest and sell tickets again.

[reamily]

Coach DJ Khaled was a West Asia Super League coach of (orthodox) ito po talaga mother team nila. And yes he also coached the Jordanian league team in the finals and yes night night din sila dun

https://www.fiba.basketball/wasl/22-23/westasia/team/Orthodox-Amman

[ja.he]

Do these mercenaries have a distinct advantage over our Gilas players....not really....Our 8 players have the same body type as their 6 players.....7 of our players have the same education/upbringing as their 6 players....not one of the Cambodian players played in the NBA (I think) unlike Brownlee who played in the NBA.

"Our 8 players have the same body type as their 6 players"

- they may have afro-american genes. but the difference here is that these americans you are referring to have the residence, playing in our domestics leagues or, in some cases, have an education here. so the connection between these fil-fors and the philippines is already there. this is something these naturalized cambodians are lacking.

"7 of our players have the same education/upbringing as their 6 players"

- mike philipps has been receiving lasallian education. chris newsome graduated in ateneo while mason amos will study also in ateneo. did those naturalized cambodians, at some point in their life, study in cambodia?

again, they may have the same physique but they are still different. those fil-fors are PH residents for many years, some are students in local universities while others a mainstays in the PBA for many seasons. the same is not true with those naturalized cambodia. they are specifically naturalized for this event.

to make things clear, i am not against the move of cambodia. their house, their rules. my point of post is that fil-fors and those naturalized cambodians are not the same.

[Silent Killer]

Do these mercenaries have a distinct advantage over our Gilas players....not really....Our 8 players have the same body type as their 6 players.....7 of our players have the same education/upbringing as their 6 players....not one of the Cambodian players played in the NBA (I think) unlike Brownlee who played in the NBA.

brownlee never EVER play in NBA..

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Justin-Brownlee/Summary/6470

[barok espinoza]

you know what, these are the type of players PBA must capitalize on. No doubt were still the best league in SEA region why don't they allow teams to hire Southeast Asian, West Asian, East Asian imports + 2 world imports during Gov/Commisioners Cup to add flavor and competition to the league.

Tyler Lamb, Grahita, Oscar Lopez, Christian Juzang, DMX, Wael Arakji, El Darwich in the PBA? + NBA caliber & journeymen-type imports? That MIGHT stir interest and sell tickets again.

But this concept contradicts the PBA's isolationist ideology, which supposedly promotes the prioritization of Filipino talents over foreigners as a means to emphasize the value of Filipino basketball culture, but in reality, it simply serves as a strategy to minimize its expenses.

[The Firm]

Do these mercenaries have a distinct advantage over our Gilas players....not really....Our 8 players have the same body type as their 6 players.....7 of our players have the same education/upbringing as their 6 players....not one of the Cambodian players played in the NBA (I think) unlike Brownlee who played in the NBA.

Not sure what you're getting at here but Cambodia's naturalized players are obviously more skilled and experienced (G League and Euro leagues) compared to our Fil-foreigners outside maybe of C-Stan. That's the main reason why they were very competitive in the first place.

Also, as others have pointed out here, it's not an apples to apples comparison as at least our Fil-foreigners have Pinoy blood, study/live here, and/or speak Filipino. The same cannot be said of their naturalized players. It's quite obvious Cambodia's only goal is to win gold--forget player development and performing well in FIBA-sanctioned tournaments.

[reamily]

Anong gagawin mo jan coach? Titira ng 3 points? We escaped a technical foul. The greatest artista coach. I still remember his jumping up-down playdate with the Greek referee.

we got a t here.. from what I recall