2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[IPC]

Reality check, we lost the gold and need to redeem it. If college players compose hlaf of this team we will not even medal in this Games. People again will be mad as hell. If other SEA nation will use pros, Halfs and naturalized players, college player will b a huge disadvantage. Other Nation are taking this tournaments more seriously.

Reclaiming the gold wouldn't have been an issue if we had reacted properly against Indonesia in the first place. Thank God we learned our lesson this time.

And besides, Brownlee would still have been there. You sure we won't medal against Indonesia and Thailand if college players will compose half the squad, and half of vets? That's exactly what vets are for. You fucking balance winning and development. Besides, the kids will still have talent. And with a good gameplan, we can win a medal.

And if people getting mad leads to the resignation of these dickheads in SBP, then let them get mad.

[JAMSKIE]

Yeah, come on. We won the gold, but that was about our only objective. The gold takes away from the fact that they didn't have secondary objectives other than making the PBA look good. Not many youth players on the lineup, and only a few members of the WC pool were there.

MAkes me wonder, had Junmar, Japeth & Iskati been healthy or available, would guys like Mike Philipps, Mason Amos & Jerom Lastimosa have made it to the final 12-man roster?

[paolylo]

Reclaiming the gold wouldn't have been an issue if we had reacted properly against Indonesia in the first place. Thank God we learned our lesson this time.

And besides, Brownlee would still have been there. You sure we won't medal against Indonesia and Thailand if college players will compose half the squad, and half of vets? That's exactly what vets are for. You fucking balance winning and development.

Wasn't Amos, Phillips, and Lastimosa enough? We've been sending pros to the SEA Games since 2017 just because we already had Douthit play with the old Sinag team in 2015 and almost lost even with Tab as the coach. This is the compromise. Either they're slowly introduced to a team with pros in a tournament setting or even FIBA window or they become the next Thirdy, Abando, or RJ and make themselves available to the pool.

[JAMSKIE]

Of all the SEA Games basketball I've fllowed in the last 30 yrs, this edition is the most competitive. Which makes our winning of the gold medal much more significant.

[IPC]

Wasn't Amos, Phillips, and Lastimosa enough? We've been sending pros to the SEA Games since 2017 just because we already had Douthit play with the old Sinag team in 2015 and almost lost even with Tab as the coach. This is the compromise. Either they're slowly introduced to a team with pros in a tournament setting or even FIBA window or they become the next Thirdy, Abando, or RJ and make themselves available to the pool.

In hindsight, I would have wanted someone other than maybe Arvin and CJ. Those guys can be replaced by a couple youngsters.

Yeah, I get that we should have pros to help these guys win and calm them down, but the SEA Games is pretty much our only avenue of development, so we have to maximize the opportunity.

[barok espinoza]

Of all the SEA Games basketball I've fllowed in the last 30 yrs, this edition is the most competitive. Which makes our winning of the gold medal much more significant.

But due to the new format, we were unable to compete against Thailand, a formidable team in its own right. It would have been thrilling to witness a decisive match between Gilas and Thailand.

[alfrancis]

In hindsight, I would have wanted someone other than maybe Arvin and CJ. Those guys can be replaced by a couple youngsters.

Yeah, I get that we should have pros to help these guys win and calm them down, but the SEA Games is pretty much our only avenue of development, so we have to maximize the opportunity.

With the improved competition in SEA Games now, 3 -4 youngsters should be enough to get experience and not compromise the strength of the team.

[reamily]

I miss Jones cup, the de facto gilas team b ateneo played in 2018..this is the right avenue to test the young guys, indonesian locals are improving.. in that 3rd place game Propser and beane didn even played major minutes

[carmelo7]

if only Kouame gets an exception, i'd love a big rotation of Kai, Edu, Kouame and whoever else

It may be asking too much but a frontline of Kai, Kouame,Edu and Philipps for the next 15 years would be awesome hehe

[paolylo]

In hindsight, I would have wanted someone other than maybe Arvin and CJ. Those guys can be replaced by a couple youngsters.

Yeah, I get that we should have pros to help these guys win and calm them down, but the SEA Games is pretty much our only avenue of development, so we have to maximize the opportunity.

Slow down. Basketball in the country has a proud but awful practice of babying players under 24 in a Metro Manila university for 4-5 years then have them do PBA D-League for 7 games with no guarantee that they make it to the pros.

I'll bring up the Paul Desiderio vs Jason Tatum argument over and over again if I have to. Same age, same level at U16. One plays 5 years in college, goes to the PBA D-League, gets drafted the following year... by then, the other one is already a 3-year NBA pro.

Was it USA Basketball's job to develop Tatum or they just took whatever's available: a 1-and-done college player that turned out to be an elite pro? Now, what's available in the Philippines at levels after U19? UAAP. NCAA. PBA D-League. It's this double standard of a student athlete that's messing up the development of players that could be useful at the men's level. Only Kai was able to do something more, the rest can only hope to get signed by a B.League or KBL Team. They're already wasting at least 3 years of their "development" if they're PBA rookies at 24. Just pathetic. There will be more Japeth-like players than there will be Chris Tiu students playing college ball.

[IPC]

Slow down. Basketball in the country has a proud but awful practice of babying players under 24 in a Metro Manila university for 4-5 years then have them do PBA D-League for 7 games with no guarantee that they make it to the pros.

I'll bring up the Paul Desiderio vs Jason Tatum argument over and over again if I have to. Same age, same level at U16. One plays 5 years in college, goes to the PBA D-League, gets drafted the following year... by then, the other one is already a 3-year NBA pro.

Was it USA Basketball's job to develop Tatum or they just took whatever's available: a 1-and-done college player that turned out to be an elite pro? Now, what's available in the Philippines at levels after U19? UAAP. NCAA. PBA D-League. It's this double standard of a student athlete that's messing up the development of players that could be useful at the men's level. Only Kai was able to do something more, the rest can only hope to get signed by a B.League or KBL Team. They're already wasting at least 3 years of their "development" if they're PBA rookies at 24. Just pathetic. There will be more Japeth-like players than there will be Chris Tiu students playing college ball.

OK, let me rephrase. I just don't want us to continue the practice of overly relying on the PBA, especially if the season structure means that training and availability will be compromised. Use the collegiate leagues and foreign leagues if we have to. If not now, then the future.

I agree though that one-and-done culture has to be more common in the Philippines, so that the talented players can better develop. Better chance of improvement when playing or practicing against better competition. Yeah, the college culture here holds back the potential of our good players.

[barok espinoza]

It may be asking too much but a frontline of Kai, Kouame, Edu and Philipps for the next 15 years would be awesome hehe

The 2025 SEAG in Bangkok would be a good tournament for these players to play together. The other teams in the SEA are no longer holding back. The SEAG should be viewed as a training ground for current and future FIBA mainstays. No more sending ineligibles who have no chance of being considered locals next time.

[zairex]

Reclaiming the gold wouldn't have been an issue if we had reacted properly against Indonesia in the first place. Thank God we learned our lesson this time.

And besides, Brownlee would still have been there. You sure we won't medal against Indonesia and Thailand if college players will compose half the squad, and half of vets? That's exactly what vets are for. You fucking balance winning and development. Besides, the kids will still have talent. And with a good gameplan, we can win a medal.

And if people getting mad leads to the resignation of these dickheads in SBP, then let them get mad.

I also want it to be a Gilas Cadet in SEA games but the other teams are getting pros and naturalized players. Even Korea had issue with Thailand before. How the thailand big was able to score 35pts on our College players under CTab. They still won big thou.

You see how vets are better in defense and composure than college players most of the time. Philips has no offense, Lastimosa stolen alot of times and cant orchestrate like Ross and Amos will not be able to rebound agains pros. We could not always really on Brownlee to play 35 minutes and do it all in his age.

If you can stop Pinoy bashing players and coach if we lose the gold in SEA then that can work.

[reamily]

I also want it to be a Gilas Cadet in SEA games but the other teams are getting pros and naturalized players. Even Korea had issue with Thailand before. How the thailand big was able to score 35pts on our College players under CTab. They still won big thou.

You see how vets are better in defense and composure than college players most of the time. Philips has no offense, Lastimosa stolen alot of times and cant orchestrate like Ross and Amos will not be able to rebound agains pros. We could not always really on Brownlee to play 35 minutes and do it all in his age.

If you can stop Pinoy bashing players and coach if we lose the gold in SEA then that can work.

And to think jakrawan played sub par this sea games..especially with entry of breunig..

[reamily]

So Mike Philips joined mason amos as the Gilas wildcards?.. Brandon will be given a chance as FIBA wll defeat their own logic in this