2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[paliganibossalfrancis]

"interbarangay plays of Gilas" lol

[Giannis34GOD]

as I've said, 9 times out of 10, it's the personnel. Perhaps he didn't call such plays because he doesn't trust that his team can execute. They just let Beane & Prosper hoop. You can have the greatest coach in the world but if your players are subpar, you get subpar results. Outside of Jawato, Beane, Diagne and Prosper (with Bolden, DMX and Grahita out) no one in that Indonesian team can even crack a PBA lineup.

And as usual, Chot's tactical immaturity concealed by one-man brilliance by Justin Brownlee. Chot is very lucky to have players like Clarkson, Mikey Williams, Andray Blatche, RHJ... his go-to players make him look competent.

CTC have Brownlee as his savior, Phil Jackson rides on Jordan and Kobe's greatness, Steve Kerr rides on Curry, LeBron winning games whoever coach he has... What's wrong with relying on players on winning games? Even Spain hired Lorenzo Brown to have a chance to win a medal... Tactical Immaturity is another topic but sometimes coaches should have trust players' ability, Not just only stick to system... What happened to Giannis w/ Greece in 2019 FIBA WC? Greece follows beautiful European plays but it cancelled out Giannis' dominance... Thus, Giannis became liability last 2019 FIBA WC....

[ja.he]

key takeaways to the Philippines-Indonesian game:

- JB was able to outmuscled the shorter Indonesian guards and wings.
- Diagne is good. I see him as a combo forward in the near future.
- Indonesia, as a team, plays beautiful basketball. I see them winning regularly beyond SEA for years to come. Even though they can't use Beane and their naturalized big at the same time, this team is still good with their system in place.


key takeaways in the 2023 SEA basketball as a whole:

- Thailand will just get better with the Thai-Am trio of Lamb, Morgan and Lish at the top of the team's hierarchy. Bruenig could be the missing puzzle for the Thais to make waves beyond SEA. With Bruenig, Jakrawan and Patipan will get some help underneath.
- Indonesia is getting good as well. They seem to be very organized. Again, I believe they will be good at the Asian level. The frontline of Bolden, DMX, Vincent, and Diagne will be decent.
- Philippines needs to step up as Thailand and Indonesia are closing the gap. Gone are the days that we will steamroll our opposition in SEA Games.

[IPC]

key takeaways to the Philippines-Indonesian game:
- JB was able to outmuscled the shorter Indonesian guards and wings.
- Diagne is good. I see him as a combo forward in the near future.
- Indonesia, as a team, plays beautiful basketball. I see them winning regularly beyond SEA for years to come. Even though they can't use Beane and their naturalized big at the same time, this team is still good with their system in place.


key takeaways in the 2023 SEA basketball as a whole:

- Thailand will just get better with the Thai-Am trio of Lamb, Morgan and Lish at the top of the team's hierarchy. Bruenig could be the missing puzzle for the Thais to make waves beyond SEA. With Bruenig, Jakrawan and Patipan will get some help underneath.
- Indonesia is getting good as well. They seem to be very organized. Again, I believe they will be good at the Asian level. The frontline of Bolden, DMX, Vincent, and Diagne will be decent.
- Philippines needs to step up as Thailand and Indonesia are closing the gap. Gone are the days that we will steamroll our opposition in SEA Games.

The past 2 SEA Games kinda exposed how stagnant our national team program has been. Not much innovation (sticking to old Pinoy-style small lineups, not much emphasis on defense), too overreliant on PBA vets, not much trust in youth.

We really need to fix the program, starting with putting the right executives in charge. Those who can trust a rebuild and a foreign youth program director so that there could be some tactical innovation.

[DAdmiral]

The SEAG is proving to be decent to good early exposure for Gilas, hopefully they use the exposure to full benefit for both long term development and immediate task (World cup), that's the whole point of why people are unhappy with the decision making .

the concern is simple, does how the current SEAG games is being handled give you confidence that we will do well in the World cup ? duh, it's obviously a super red flag...

[all_about]

I'm endlessly supporting gilas even if they win or lose later.

Mabuhay ang pilipinong atleta! Mabuhay gilas pilipinas!

[bballcrazy]

On the positive side for imports for Cambodia and they winning Gold/Silver maybe will garner more interest in Basketball. Cambodia level w/o imports is prob close to Vietnam before it had the VBA. Maybe with more interest some local bizman will see a biz opportunity and start a pro league there and from then on they can improve. They have two good mix players Cambodian Americans in Joseph Hoeup and Oscar Lopez and (maybe more) unknown.

[JAMSKIE]

The funny thing is. Marcio might still be our best SF, years after his prime. In limited minutes he can still score, shoot and play decent defense. Of course Dwight is now the better over all player but in end games when you need your SF to be able to shoot, Lassiter might be a better choice.

I think in terms of 3-point shooting, Marciio Lassiter is still better than a Dwight Ramos, Matt Wright & RR Pogoy. Plus Lassiter can be counted on in the defensive side. I think Dwight's edge over Marcio is size as Dwight enjoys about 3 inches in height over Marcio.

In terms of 3-point shooting, the only FIBA eligible Pinoy player I think who can match-up with Marcio is Jordan Heading. But unlike Marcio whom you can rely upon in defense, Heading isn't really known as a decent wing defender.

[DAdmiral]

The reaction concern with our SEAG outing is really valid, it's simply a reflection of lack of confidence of fans that Gilas will do well 3 months from now in WC, I mean if MVP is dismaid, then why wouldn't the fans feel the same way. It's BS to say support lang tayo. Of course everyone will support our players , that's not in question. But it doesn't mean fans are not entitled to have grave questions and concerns on how the team is being handled.
People who say otherwise, have "group think mentality "as they misconstrue support of colleagues in industry or team, with rightfully calling out poor management practice.

[JAMSKIE]

@ADmiral.
Very much agree with you brother. Criticizing the SBP, Al Panlinlang or coach Chot Reyes does not equate to being unsupportive to the national team. The same way as criticizing the government doesn't translate to being an anti-government or being rebellious. I couldn't understand why a lot of people have that kind of mentality. One reason why there's a lot of toxicity in social media is because of this flawed mentality of lots of people out there who are in badly need of rationale & logic. Yung iba kasi natuto lang mag internet at mag facebook eh akala nila ang talino na nila & sila yung kadalasang maingay sa socmed.

[paolylo]

Of course this all in a PH standard. Guess what Abando, Tamayo, Baltazar, Dwight arent great shooters and havent had a great shooting season. Abando, Dwight and Carl are shooting about 27% from 3 in the BLeague/KBL and Dwight has been shooting 21% from 3 for Gilas this year. By any international standard we'd consider this bad shooting but I get where you are coming from, we dont have many options. We need some shooting in this team and someone having a great shooting season deserves a tryout at least.

Iskati 6'0
JC - 6'5
Malonzo 6'6
Jap - 6'9
Kai - 7'1

Perez 6'1
Dwight 6'4
Parks 6'4
Philipps 6'8 (sana lol)
Edu 6'9

Fajardo 6'10
Heading 6'1

Chot was criticized way back in 2007 for picking Ritualo over Yap. Both undersized for FIBA level but realistically average for Asia. Ritualo had a quicker release which makes up for the lack of size. Yap used to hold the ball unnecessarily longer off the catch and his game was shooting off the dribble which a Chot Reyes team doesn't need. I would still take Parks over Pogoy, but that's just me. Abando can defend better than Pogoy. Agree to disagree, but the best guy for that wing spot is Ramos while JC is your two-guard over anyone in the PBA. The what-should-have-been for me is obviously Kobe Paras, because it seems there was nothing added to his game after high school. He looked uncomfy as an undersized 4 at the Asia level, but if you give him the green light as a wing... you get B.League Kobe Paras the high volume scorer that's only worth using going downhill.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

CTC have Brownlee as his savior, Phil Jackson rides on Jordan and Kobe's greatness, Steve Kerr rides on Curry, LeBron winning games whoever coach he has... What's wrong with relying on players on winning games? Even Spain hired Lorenzo Brown to have a chance to win a medal... Tactical Immaturity is another topic but sometimes coaches should have trust players' ability, Not just only stick to system... What happened to Giannis w/ Greece in 2019 FIBA WC? Greece follows beautiful European plays but it cancelled out Giannis' dominance... Thus, Giannis became liability last 2019 FIBA WC....

Phil Jackson and CTC use the triangle. They both had MJ and JB, respectively play within the triangle. Meanwhile Chot has iso for his top player renamed as "dribble drive," drive and kick and dribble & pull-up.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Chot was criticized way back in 2007 for picking Ritualo over Yap. Both undersized for FIBA level but realistically average for Asia. Ritualo had a quicker release which makes up for the lack of size. Yap used to hold the ball unnecessarily longer off the catch and his game was shooting off the dribble which a Chot Reyes team doesn't need. I would still take Parks over Pogoy, but that's just me. Abando can defend better than Pogoy. Agree to disagree, but the best guy for that wing spot is Ramos while JC is your two-guard over anyone in the PBA. The what-should-have-been for me is obviously Kobe Paras, because it seems there was nothing added to his game after high school. He looked uncomfy as an undersized 4 at the Asia level, but if you give him the green light as a wing... you get B.League Kobe Paras the high volume scorer that's only worth using going downhill.

man.... if Pogoy gets another Gilas stint over Parks....

re: Kobe, he had the tools, but his environment, the mentors and his mindset during the window of opportunity to get to the next level weren't it.

[IPC]

Phil Jackson and CTC use the triangle. They both had MJ and JB, respectively play within the triangle. Meanwhile Chot has iso for his top player renamed as "dribble drive," drive and kick and dribble & pull-up.

That's the thing that irks me. The Reyes dribble-drive currently is top shot creator gets the ball and everyone else gets out of the way, which should only be a failsafe when nothing's going, or when the top player is hot.

Some dribble drive offenses use a lot of player movement. Handoffs, screens, pistol action, of which we saw some in the 2012-16 Gilas. I wonder how it devolved to just go 1-on-1 for the most part, and on top of that, poor defensive effort.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

That's the thing that irks me. The Reyes dribble-drive currently is top shot creator gets the ball and everyone else gets out of the way, which should only be a failsafe when nothing's going, or when the top player is hot.

Some dribble drive offenses use a lot of player movement. Handoffs, screens, pistol action, of which we saw some in the 2012-16 Gilas. I wonder how it devolved to just go 1-on-1 for the most part, and on top of that, poor defensive effort.

for the most part of the game last night vs Indonesia, offense was stagnant, they will set a screen, drive, and then kick then re-screen... it's painful to watch, good thing JB's shots were falling, otherwise we settle for Bronze. It's typical bara-bara, "bahala ka na sa diskarte", old-school Filipino coach approach.