2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[The Firm]

I'm not really too concerned re: the loss to Cambolifornia. While the rest of SEA is indeed catching up, the truth is a team of full-blooded Pinoys will destroy any other SEA-team without mercs and half-bloods.

And who is in the FIBA World Cup again? But yes, this indeed serves as a sort of wake up call.

That said, PH still reigns supreme talent-wise in SEA. But the progress of our neighbors shouldn't be ignored.

[reamily]

Still say cambofias wekness is a team who will shoot the lights out from the 3..

[Giannis34GOD]

Bet for what? lmao. The last time I've watched a Palestinian game they only lost to Jordanian by 3 points and that a year ago or so. They are extremely competitive, but you have to remember, Palestine is in constant turmoil, they don't have the same privileged to develop their program compared to our neighboring countries. Again, losing to them is not something to be ashamed of, Cambodia on the other hand, that's on chot and his incompetent ass.

Yeah, but Jordan was not always bring their best squad in previous qualifiers before... right? They even lose to KSA at one point, But if their best squad that they offer, they even beat NZL team B... Palestine is inconsistent and w/ retiring of their best player ever Sani Sakakini, Their strength is now lower, They lose to much lower ranked teams Qatar and UAE... They also lose to India, that many considered the weakest team in 16 team FIBA Asia 2022 field... Cambodia fielding 6 naturalized players is not to be ashamed of since their roster are bunch of Professional ballers overseas, some of them being imports in Greek and Mexican leagues that is much higher level rather in Asian leagues overall... Imagine they playing the likes of RHJ, Ian Clark, Nicholson, Brownlee, Spellman and Brickman type of level players together in one team... They can play full 40 mins easily since they are doing this often in their PRO league... They are basically unofficial USA select team sponsored by Cambodian organizers...

[Giannis34GOD]

Mongolia team is 8th in 2014 asiad right and beat toromans jordan and closed fight against douthit led team. Thailand beat them at their home floor, and definitely much better that the indian team that played in qualifiers.. and yes Robert Indonesia had defeated Saudi already

If Indonesia and Thailand was placed in Western region qualifiers... I see them they can easily replace India in FIBA Asia spot, plus one of Bahrain, Syria or KSA will have a tough time beating ASEAN rivals... But my point here is, SEAG is not the real testament who are the best team in ASEAN region, Heck, The rules implemented by the host is only one time and it will not happen again in near future... As i said, Are Chinese fans and media personnel blame their basketball team when they are not winning East Asian Games basketball event? The answer is NO, because regional competition is useless assessment who are the best teams in their respective region....

[Giannis34GOD]

I'm not really too concerned re: the loss to Cambolifornia. While the rest of SEA is indeed catching up, the truth is a team of full-blooded Pinoys will destroy any other SEA-team without mercs and half-bloods.

And who is in the FIBA World Cup again? But yes, this indeed serves as a sort of wake up call.

That said, PH still reigns supreme talent-wise in SEA. But the progress of our neighbors shouldn't be ignored.

I think when PHL implement the "Passport rule" eligibility in 2019 SEAG, other countries have already options now to beef up their roster by acquiring FIBA ineligible overseas players, Before 2019, All of host countries implemented FIBA eligibility rules and they can't create their super loaded teams because they have to comply FIBA eligibility... Now, it become a Double edge sword for Philippines after 2019... Now this is too much that even Cambodia abusing this very weak "Passport rule" eligibility and become out of hand already.... I hope Cambodia will use this moment to inspire Cambodian youth and have interest playing basketball... With this competitive nature in SEAG, I hope basketball will become more bigger and become the 2nd most popular sport in this region....

[DAdmiral]

Isnt Tuffin Gilas eligible already? Anyway if its someone who needs an exception, didnt you tell me in the past that the SBP should be prudent in using exceptions?

All fil foreigners (dual citizenship holders ) require FIBA clearance prior to being fielded . (They are allocated a FIBA ID with a classification NP (if over 16) or local u16 )

if over 16 , only way to play as a local is previous FIBA tournament clearance or if new applicant sec general lettere for grant of exception

yes be prudent in that one at least reads and considers the explcit Exception guidelines on reasons criteria for grant

1 # of years residency
2. # of years domestic play
3. Age of acquiring citizenship and establishing residency

It's not prudent and disrespectful of the rules if one files Exception with zero of 1 and 2. And fails to respect 3. The player is already 25 when passport and residency is established.

Adding insult to injury is lobbying for the application by ranting to the press and everything and complaining about other nations...(they considered the rules when they got Exceptions we didn't but are like a loose cannon Tira ng tira without respect of the process and rules

If you don't like the rules (SEA or FIBA) go through the process of policy improvements in the right forum., change the rules there with out making noise. . NOt just prior to a tournament and ranting to the press about mercenaries, by that definition then every NP is a mercenary. So Qunito should say we only use 1 mercenary, while you use 5 or something

Having experice in policy creation, the things being called out by Filipinos on individual laws of land and entncity association are so way off and ignorant and naive of the basis of sound international policies

The right level of restrictions one should argue for are around age of cuttoff, # of years of residency, relationship with a citizen ( how many generations removed are acceptable). # of NP. These are sound good factors to consider for changing the level of settings of rules , not what Filipinos are ranting about. (Filipino blood stuff)

Arguing about blood entnicity is like raising it in eligibility rule changes in NBA via the CBA or in each of the national leagues.. this is so stupid.

[bballcrazy]

Hard Sad Fact for all Gilas supporters is that the rest of the World are getting more serious about Basketball.
Africa now has teams as good as mid tier Europe , and now we seeing decent levels from other SE Asian teams.
JC and Kai added to Gilas is great but honestly others are matching and passing that.
Then when you factoring in Average Height (Very Basketball Related) , guess which Country is shortest.
The future not looking so great for Gilas on International Level , at least you always have all those PBA superstars to cheer for.

In Asia many countries are improving. China, South Korea and Japan are strong, China still the best if u don't count Aussie.
Taiwan which used to be a notch below SK and Japan I believe are at their level or close now watching their domestic leagues. Like Xavier Alexander who was MVP in ABL is just a bench player in Kaohsiung Aquas.

[JAMSKIE]

I don't think so... Palestine can't even beat India... I guarantee that Indonesia and Thailand can beat Palestine and India if they were match up today... Wanna bet?

Bro, it would depend on what kind of Palestine team you will be facing. A complete Palestine team, with that Sakakini big guy (there are two Sakakinis, one is an elite big guy while the other one is just an average player) plus Abu Shamala, would be a threat to a non-top 4 Asia-Oceania team about 7 to 8 years ago. I said, 7 to 8 years ago becoz that was the peak of those key players of Palestine. Of course Abu Shamala & Sakakini are no longer in their prime right now & their successors seem not that good, hence the current Palestine team isn't as strong as it was 7 to 8 years ago.

[Giannis34GOD]

All fil foreigners (dual citizenship holders ) require FIBA clearance prior to being fielded . (They are allocated a FIBA ID with a classification NP (if over 16) or local u16 )

if over 16 , only way to play as a local is previous FIBA tournament clearance or if new applicant sec general lettere for grant of exception

yes be prudent in that one at least reads and considers the explcit Exception guidelines on reasons criteria for grant

1 # of years residency
2. # of years domestic play
3. Age of acquiring citizenship and establishing residency

It's not prudent and disrespectful of the rules if one files Exception with zero of 1 and 2. And fails to respect 3. The player is already 25 when passport and residency is established.

Adding insult to injury is lobbying for the application by ranting to the press and everything and complaining about other nations...(they considered the rules when they got Exceptions we didn't but are like a loose cannon Tira ng tira without respect of the process and rules

If you don't like the rules (SEA or FIBA) go through the process of policy improvements in the right forum., change the rules there with out making noise. . NOt just prior to a tournament and ranting to the press about mercenaries, by that definition then every NP is a mercenary. So Qunito should say we only use 1 mercenary, while you use 5 or something

Having experice in policy creation, the things being called out by Filipinos on individual laws of land and entncity association are so way off and ignorant and naive of the basis of sound international policies

The right level of restrictions one should argue for are around age of cuttoff, # of years of residency, relationship with a citizen ( how many generations removed are acceptable). # of NP. These are sound good factors to consider for changing the level of settings of rules , not what Filipinos are ranting about. (Filipino blood stuff)

Arguing about blood entnicity is like raising it in eligibility rule changes in NBA via the CBA or in each of the national leagues.. this is so stupid.

Opppssss.... Don't forget no.4!!! MONEY!!! Federation needs to pay FIBA for placement fee for every player wants to be exempted as local player.... SBP before pays more than PHP 1 million for Chris Newsome's eligibility to be exempted... Same also for Vietnam's Justin Young, Thai's duo of Federick Lish and Moses Morgan, Indonesia's Brandon Jawato, Taipei's Muhhamad Gariaga, Greece's Nick Calathes and more....

[Giannis34GOD]

Bro, it would depend on what kind of Palestine team you will be facing. A complete Palestine team, with that Sakakini big guy (there are two Sakakinis, one is an elite big guy while the other one is just an average player) plus Abu Shamala, would be a threat to a non-top 4 Asia-Oceania team about 7 to 8 years ago. I said, 7 to 8 years ago becoz that was the peak of those key players of Palestine. Of course Abu Shamala & Sakakini are no longer in their prime right now & their successors seem not that good, hence the current Palestine team isn't as strong as it was 7 to 8 years ago.

I also search that in 2015, They were also lose to India in the 2nd round of FIBA Asia cup, and was denied to enter QF of the competition... I think the PHL lose to Palestine in 2015 was due to luck... CTB doesn't know the composition of Palestine line up that time, and it was the first day of competition.... Currently, Palestine basketball is on downward and i see they can't even make it again in the main FIBA Asia cup proper... Their final chance was 2021 when they could have been beat India to qualify but they choke in the final minutes of 4th... Feel sad because Sani i think was one of the best PF in Asian region but he has no success in his national team stints...

[paolylo]

All fil foreigners (dual citizenship holders ) require FIBA clearance prior to being fielded . (They are allocated a FIBA ID with a classification NP (if over 16) or local u16 )

if over 16 , only way to play as a local is previous FIBA tournament clearance or if new applicant sec general lettere for grant of exception

yes be prudent in that one at least reads and considers the explcit Exception guidelines on reasons criteria for grant

1 # of years residency
2. # of years domestic play
3. Age of acquiring citizenship and establishing residency

It's not prudent and disrespectful of the rules if one files Exception with zero of 1 and 2. And fails to respect 3. The player is already 25 when passport and residency is established.

Adding insult to injury is lobbying for the application by ranting to the press and everything and complaining about other nations...(they considered the rules when they got Exceptions we didn't but are like a loose cannon Tira ng tira without respect of the process and rules

If you don't like the rules (SEA or FIBA) go through the process of policy improvements in the right forum., change the rules there with out making noise. . NOt just prior to a tournament and ranting to the press about mercenaries, by that definition then every NP is a mercenary. So Qunito should say we only use 1 mercenary, while you use 5 or something

Having experice in policy creation, the things being called out by Filipinos on individual laws of land and entncity association are so way off and ignorant and naive of the basis of sound international policies

The right level of restrictions one should argue for are around age of cuttoff, # of years of residency, relationship with a citizen ( how many generations removed are acceptable). # of NP. These are sound good factors to consider for changing the level of settings of rules , not what Filipinos are ranting about. (Filipino blood stuff)

Arguing about blood entnicity is like raising it in eligibility rule changes in NBA via the CBA or in each of the national leagues.. this is so stupid.

Student council? Joke. Everyone's gotta start somewhere.

Remove either principle on citizenship, then basketball itself isn't a fair game. Who was that Chinese IBNer years ago who made the syllogism on running for Philippine President with the FIBA eligibility rules when it was new? Take out everyone who couldn't possibly run for President, who will Gilas be left with? What qualifies to be natural-born? Heck, FPJ nearly got disqualified to run for President just because his mother was an American... does that make someone like Bolick or Perez not a natural-born citizen? As shallow as that sounds, there are countries who will never bother to understand our own laws on who can only be a naturalized citizen and who can acquire a Philippine passport because their own laws are completely different.

The fact is as far as a lot of other nationalities are concerned, the only thing that matters is the flag on the jersey. It's pathetic.

[live_evil]

Against Singapore, Gilas is playing well. Typical of Chot teams, play well against inferior teams but lose their balls against superior opposition. Tab's teams play hard regardless of opponent superiority.

[greenarcher]

Still far from Indo and Thai outside shooting even if they are just against Singapore Team C.

Their shooting sucks. No other way to put it.

[greenarcher]

Thailand got 156 points, Indonesia got 141 points. Probably the most they ever scored in the SEAG. Meantime....

The best we could muster is 94 and 105 against Malaysia Team B and Singapore Team C. How the mighty has fallen.

Good job Choke Reyes!

[NOiNU]

Opppssss.... Don't forget no.4!!! MONEY!!! Federation needs to pay FIBA for placement fee for every player wants to be exempted as local player.... SBP before pays more than PHP 1 million for Chris Newsome's eligibility to be exempted... Same also for Vietnam's Justin Young, Thai's duo of Federick Lish and Moses Morgan, Indonesia's Brandon Jawato, Taipei's Muhhamad Gariaga, Greece's Nick Calathes and more....

What he listed was the citeria as per FIBA. What you are saying here is more of process. Totally different.