2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[DAdmiral]

The other thing is the SEAG committee ( big bosses) have to get their act together and have more competence in governance, these are basic management stuff that can all be avoided.

1. what is the process of making policies and rules (anything goes ba ?)
2. For international competition, there are standards , shouldn't there be a requirement that playing venues are up to standards before getting go ahead approval to host. Like you can't have a 9 foot hoop and say laro kayo. this is so stupid really.

[DAdmiral]

pre naman.. i think there is some personal hate towards coach chot na for this... in your example with AUS and NZ regarding the Asian U18, that's different naman parekoy... that is more of a political safety.. we all know naman BEFOREHAND what iran means to other countries and the political landscape.. mali ata the comparison done..

chaka pare, what shot said is basically we shouldn't be playing ON A SURFACE LIKE THIS for the safety of the players to avoid injuries.. hindi ung WE SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING IN THE SEA GAMES PERIOD.. kaya i think there is a personal hatred na eh because words are being spun around..

and pre, is there a precedent in recent memory that the basketball court provided is deemed unsafe? and honestly, please pre tell me, how in the blue hell would you know what kind of court would be presented gametime? months ago? let's be honest...

hayyy naku...

Actually yes, it's about command responsibility, it's not that Chot has control of these things. but if his people (SBP) mess up and do not do their due diligence , even if it's not your fault , you have to front up and say it was a mistake to join this event. we failed to consider important factors.. the reality is months ago , there should be an assessment that there is risk that the the host cannot deliver to standards..

actually there is history in SEAG of poor facilities ( this should be factored in when making decisions)

Fron Nardy
Naalala ko basketball was not held nung 2009 SEA Games sa Laos due to lack of facilities. Laos has no basketball arena that has wooden flooring forcing the 2009 SEA Games organizing committee to scrap basketball in the line-up of sporting events.

The Philippines, along with Thailand, has volunteered to help Laos in organizing basketball for next year’s SEA Games. The Philippines is also willing to donate a wooden floor to be use for the construction of a basketball court while Thailand has agreed to shoulder the operating expenses.

The SBP, through Manny V. Pangilinan, suggested to the Laos SEA Games organizing committee that Philippines would host the basketball event, which was also rejected by the host nation.

[zuma169]

Alam nyo.. from the start when they saw the court im pretty sure they knew it was iffy and unsafe na.. pero they still played on FOR THE SPIRIT OF FRIENDLY NATIONS AND SPORTSMANSHIP.. ganyan naman dapat eh.. but when Calvin Oftana injured himself because of the unsafe playing condition, i think that is when chot and whomever wants to speak out has the right to speak out na.. because someone physically got hurt already and may hamper his career and profession.. i think what chot said is fine and ok.. because it is really unsafe.. and if the surface is unsafe it is not supposed to be played on.. un naman sinabi nya dba? hindi ung we are not supposed to be here in SEA GAMES in the first place..

cge nga... imagine if months ago SBP saw the court conditions and said we will beg off na and not participate.. Anak ng.. will that sound way worse and present themselves as crying and whining little b*tches dba???

[DAdmiral]

Yes that how things are done professionally , if there is material risk that the host at a certain point cannot assure safe playing conditions , that are acceptable to the players you plan to field ( PBA pros) , then yes as a sound decision maker you will defer and send apologies not to join, it's that simple. Professionals require a certain level of support management to ensure things are adequate. ganoon talaga yung expected standard

[DAdmiral]

Don't blame SBP for this bro... This is Cambodia's sports committee and SEAG organizers fault... In the first place, SEAG committee should inspect first the whole facility... Unless bribery happens then this venue should be not allowed to use... Right?

i said that in my post below, but additionally since the reputation of the SEAG organizers and committee is not good , then a professional manager of the team should take control and make their decision accordingly, given the situation

[zuma169]

Actually yes, it's about command responsibility, it's not that Chot has control of these things. but if his people (SBP) mess up and do not do their due diligence , even if it's not your fault , you have to front up and say it was a mistake to join this event. we failed to consider important factors.. the reality is months ago , there should be an assessment that there is risk that the the host cannot deliver to standards..

actually there is history in SEAG of poor facilities ( this should be factored in when making decisions)

Fron Nardy
Naalala ko basketball was not held nung 2009 SEA Games sa Laos due to lack of facilities. Laos has no basketball arena that has wooden flooring forcing the 2009 SEA Games organizing committee to scrap basketball in the line-up of sporting events.

The Philippines, along with Thailand, has volunteered to help Laos in organizing basketball for next year’s SEA Games. The Philippines is also willing to donate a wooden floor to be use for the construction of a basketball court while Thailand has agreed to shoulder the operating expenses.

The SBP, through Manny V. Pangilinan, suggested to the Laos SEA Games organizing committee that Philippines would host the basketball event, which was also rejected by the host nation.

That example from Nardy for the Laos games is also different.. they were scrapping the whole basketball even because in their assessment there is no facility to play on.. We just presented and volunteered ourselves to help out..

eh this one basketball is included.. so again in our minds they have the facility because it was included and most likely approved by the organizing committtee.. eh when it came to the event itself hindi pala ganun ka-safe and not that good..

sorry but those are totally different scenarios.. one honestly scrapped the event due to lack of facilities.. and the other one pushed thru but lo and behold, court itself is unsafe...

sorry if i am in the minority and misunderstood stuff but this is my honest to good ness opinion..

again, walang masama sa sinabi ni chot ESCPECIALLY his player got injured because of it..

due diligence, due diligence, ako if the SEAG olympic committee says all systems go, i will respect that and go on.. we will look like all knowing b*tches if we snoop all facilities even if everything has already been approved by the SEAG committee.. seriously..

[DAdmiral]

bragging aside, the reason why i'm confident with my opinions is I actually have 1st hand experience of doing all these things , Organizing international friendlies , managing international teams. all of these practices require professional practice and all of these decisions are really not excusable. I cannot tell the teams participating or my team , i did not know it would be like this. this is really not acceptable. if the SEAG commitee has a reputation of incopetence , then absolutely you have to protect your team .. when making decisions

[Giannis34GOD]

The other thing is the SEAG committee ( big bosses) have to get their act together and have more competence in governance, these are basic management stuff that can all be avoided.

1. what is the process of making policies and rules (anything goes ba ?)
2. For international competition, there are standards , shouldn't there be a requirement that playing venues are up to standards before getting go ahead approval to host. Like you can't have a 9 foot hoop and say laro kayo. this is so stupid really.

Then blame goes to SEAG organizers and Cambodia sports body... For SEAG organizers, they didn't inspect properly the venue (Are they know how to inspect properly), If they saw this is not good venue for basketball then they should inform them to create a new one or find atleast suitable venue for this event (Even school gyms is OK, as long it's safe), While Cambodia's sports body, they should be the first one to blame here... They can scrap basketball event if they have no suitable venue for this (Just like Laos did in 2009)... They can pay multiple naturalized players but can't create atleast a mini gymnasium for basketball event (Or atleast a community based gym)... I see bribery happening here... Cambodia is lucky that aside from Philippines, No other country will care in this issue since only PHL is a basketball country in ASEAN region... If this is football, More ASEAN countries will file a protest against them and might scrap the SEAG hosting to them....

[Giannis34GOD]

i said that in my post below, but additionally since the reputation of the SEAG organizers and committee is not good , then a professional manager of the team should take control and make their decision accordingly, given the situation

It's possible if another team member will be injured, This scenario will happen... SBP are carefully studying this scenario since for sure if they pull out, Possible fines will take on them... That's why they are trying to participate as much as they can, For the spirit of sportsmanship.... And this is not FIBA sanctioned tourney, So the responsibility goes to NSA's of each nation, SEAG organizers and the host... You notice that even other countries didn't knew that the venue is not suitable... So it means The host hide everything just to avoid any issues before the event...

[CoJ]

can cambodia just borrow some of our excess wooden courts just to fix this mess or that cambodian gym doesnt comply with international standards and it would just be a futile exercise to lend them a wooden court.

Luckily Cambodia trained in China, half of their roster would have been down due to injuries if they held their training camp at that frealing gym. I wonder if SEAG organizing committee is that incompetent to let this slide during ocular inspections, or bribe money got involved.


If I were a PBA team owner. I'll pull out my players rather than risk an injury. Same with the UAAP schools who loaned their players to Gilas.

[Giannis34GOD]

bragging aside, the reason why i'm confident with my opinions is I actually have 1st hand experience of doing all these things , Organizing international friendlies , managing international teams. all of these practices require professional practice and all of these decisions are really not excusable. I cannot tell the teams participating or my team , i did not know it would be like this. this is really not acceptable. if the SEAG commitee has a reputation of incopetence , then absolutely you have to protect your team .. when making decisions

This is not FIBA sanctioned event... This is different... The scenario you experience handling organizing friendlies is not the same as Organizing a event that includes all sports, In organizing Friendlies, Only two basketball federations will talk, In Organizing a big event like this, More personalities you have to engage before approving the venue of the event... That's why don't put yourself on the experience you organize that we see right know in Cambodia... This is pure negligence by Cambodia and SEAG organizers....

[DAdmiral]

Of course the blame is on the organizer or SEAG committee, but it's team management responsibility to protect your team from the incompetence of 3rd parties.

It's like a car accident , even if it's the fault of the 3rd party , you aa the driver of your passenger have a responsibility to protect your passenger from the mistakes of the 3rd party.

If 3rd party SEAG committee has a history of incompetence and Cambodia as host has not been tested, a good responsible manager will ensure 1st things are acceptable before deciding to join and risk the safety of the players he is responsible for .

BTW the Reyes family, are good deer freinds , there the last people I would hate . As a professional I just say things as they are , it's actually worst if I'm not honest and don't tell when things they need to address or correct.

[DAdmiral]

This is not FIBA sanctioned event... This is different... The scenario you experience handling organizing friendlies is not the same as Organizing a event that includes all sports, In organizing Friendlies, Only two basketball federations will talk, In Organizing a big event like this, More personalities you have to engage before approving the venue of the event... That's why don't put yourself on the experience you organize that we see right know in Cambodia... This is pure negligence by Cambodia and SEAG organizers....

It's the same principle because the SBP and Gilas has autonomous decision making on competition it sees as suitable safe to join.
if host is incompetent , then absolutely control what you can for the people you are responsible for

Like I will not being my family to an event if based on information it is not safe or risk of incompetence is too high

no youre incorrect POC cannot force the NSA to join , and SBP as well cannot force Gilas who to send . There is still levels of jurisdiction

[DAdmiral]

The real root to this and question you should really be asking are

Why does Gilas really have to join and win ? To the point that it skipped due diligence, and sent pros ..

[greenarcher]

The real root to this and question you should really be asking are

Why does Gilas really have to join and win ? To the point that it skipped due diligence, and sent pros ..

Pinoy Pride. Hahahahahahaha

Their fragile little egos were hurt by Indonesia.