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  • 40 years ago during 1983 Asian Basketball Championship, Philippines did the same travesty as what Cambodia is doing today. Some of our games were nullified due to presence of 5 American imports masquerading as naturalised players. That ill- fated national squad includes Chip Engelland, Jeffrey Moore, Dennis Still, Johnny Nash, John Hegwood, Hector Calma, Franz Pumaren, Tonichi Yturri, Jong Uichico, Alfie Almario, Jun Tan and Teddy Alfarero. Hard pill to swallow but we were the original cheaters in our region. So they said. How ironic. The Cambodians just copied us hence 4 decades later.
    Last edited by FilWelsh; 05-09-2023, 11:24 PM.

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    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
      Note, most of the current SEAG gilas players are not even World cup eligible or main pool members LOL , they not risky the world cup availability , they are risking their pro careers (PBA etc) due to possible injury , let's be accurate.
      For all intents of purposes this is like " Mighty sports" playing in Dubai invitational or Jones cup .. peace..

      but honestly we all know why the SBP is doing this, " redeem itself raw " , sige.. go ahead.. redeem reputation LOL
      Well, the screw-up in last year's SEA Games (which was very winnable; just that the defense sucked and the wrong people played and the wrong people were DNP) led us to this point of having to win at all costs to save their asses (at least we do have a development angle with Mike, Mason, and Jerom, and are gunning for the eligibility of Mike and BGR, two assets for future FIBA cycles).

      I'm surprised they still have their jobs after last year's SEA Games screw-up, as well as the fiascos with Joke and the U16 and U18.

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      • Originally posted by IPC View Post

        Well, the screw-up in last year's SEA Games (which was very winnable; just that the defense sucked and the wrong people played and the wrong people were DNP) led us to this point of having to win at all costs to save their asses (at least we do have a development angle with Mike, Mason, and Jerom, and are gunning for the eligibility of Mike and BGR, two assets for future FIBA cycles).

        I'm surprised they still have their jobs after last year's SEA Games screw-up, as well as the fiascos with Joke and the U16 and U18.
        I'm ok with including ineligibles for the sake of establishing residency/ eligibility. The others not so much. This might even be the last time they play for our NT

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        • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
          I'm ok with including ineligibles for the sake of establishing residency/ eligibility. The others not so much. This might even be the last time they play for our NT
          Same, but max age should be 27-28, like BGR is now. Plus, even with ineligibles, we should be focusing on 19-24-year-olds who played here for the most part, like Ballungay, Phillips brothers, Koon, Lucero, etc.

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
            More like a 6-8 Mark Pingris, which would be awesome. BTW, Mike Philipps is only 21 yrs old, right? He will certainly get stronger & tougher in the few yrs to come. Maybe he needs to polish some medium range jumpers so that he becomes an offensive threat maski papaano. That's doable since he's only in his early 20's.
            Even if he turns out to be like discount Rodman I'm perfectly fine with it. He can be the 5th option ball dump on offense. The only jumper he would ever need to practice would be midrange.

            Originally posted by CoJ View Post


            lol, taking lutong macau to the extreme
            That's why the ABC teams shouldn't be taken as a decent counter for Cambodia fielding 3 NPs. Even we haven't done this type of outrageousness. Besides even if we fielded all those players 40 years ago, there's still no way they would've won with our local teams back then. Kung tutuusin nga the level of talent was wider back then between locals. We were practically the only SEA basketball country.

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            • Originally posted by reamily View Post

              hahah your overestimaing cambodia..thats why the effort of mike earlier was commendable as.. its linoleum flooring
              lol, that flooring injured a cambodian player as well, so its just incompetence on their part not lutong macau. Heck if I'm the PBA im pulling out my players, they might get a severe injury.

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              • Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                lol, that flooring injured a cambodian player as well, so its just incompetence on their part not lutong macau. Heck if I'm the PBA im pulling out my players, they might get a severe injury.
                It just flat out exudes "Tell me you don't care much about your basketball program by not telling me you don't care much about..." vibes, you know.

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                • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post
                  40 years ago during 1983 Asian Basketball Championship, Philippines did the same travesty as what Cambodia is doing today. Some of our games were nullified due to presence of 5 American imports masquerading as naturalised players. That ill- fated national squad includes Chip Engelland, Jeffrey Moore, Dennis Still, Johnny Nash, John Hegwood, Hector Calma, Franz Pumaren, Tonichi Yturri, Jong Uichico, Alfie Almario, Jun Tan and Teddy Alfarero. Hard pill to swallow but we were the original cheaters in our region. So they said. How ironic. The Cambodians just copied us hence 4 decades later.
                  It's because we unfortunately have a history and sporting culture of basketball dating back to the 1930's. Cambodia doesn't. The problem was that we became sore losers since the late 60's when we started losing in Asia. If you check out the old NCC videos from the 80's, even Malaysia and Thailand had great players.

                  We surely have the benefit of some genetics... Fujian province/Chinese mainland immigrants, being a Spanish colony and an American protectorate, now we got hordes of biracials from the overseas Filipino diaspora. Even the words biracial and diaspora are practically non-existent in some Asian cultures... that's why the impulse if you don't know Philippine basketball is that only Lastimosa, Oftana, and Tolentino are the real Filipinos, Phillips is the only Fil-Am because he speaks Tagalog, which leaves the other 67% to be naturalized.

                  NCC led us to believe that "naturalizing" Still/Moore/Engelland/etc was fair because of the Filipino's inherent lack of height... and we carried that mindset all the way to almost 50+ PBA seasons (the last 10 or so being invaded by Fil-Ams) and FIBA World Cup appearances (we don't reach the World Cup without Douthit and Blatche). The double standard is just so squatter by design.

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                  • The SBP people should have made the call to join , prepare or not , months ago.. if based on their investigations / intel , too many concerns , then it should defer. mag send ng sorry regrets na lang.... but once they agreed wala na ...


                    Australia and New Zealand sent their apologies not to join Asia U18 last year , months in advance , for whatever reason (safety etc) , what they could not do is join and travel there , then the day before the 1st game or half time say , ayoko na LOL

                    i guess what i am saying it's inappropriate, to be already there , and the head coach, says. " we shouldn;t even be here , LOL. what kind of logic is that

                    you're preparing and everything , and asked the boys to train hard.. tapos you will say teka teka, we shouldn't even be here , LOL

                    essentially they made a decision based on supposedly information , eh what Chot is saying , hindi namin alam na it will be like this...
                    if unacceptable , the participants should decide not to join , that should be the action point , months ago, not now

                    sobrang messed up yung messaging ni Chot , what do you expect the players to do, coach sabi mo , puso , give your all , play hard , tapos hindi pala safe .. LOL walang ganoon

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                    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                      The SBP people should have made the call to join , prepare or not months ago.. if based on their investigations / intel to many concerns , then it should defer. mag send ng sorry regrets na lang.... but once they agreed wala na ...


                      Australia and New Zealand sent their apologies not to join Asia U18 last year , months in advance , for whatever reason (safety etc) , what they could not do is join and travel there , then the day before the 1st game or half time say , ayoko na LOL

                      i guess what i am saying it's inappropriate, to be already there , and the head coach, says. " we shouldn;t even be here , LOL. what kind of logic is that

                      you're preparing and everything , and asked the boys to train hard.. tapos you will say teka teka, we shouldn't even be here , LOL

                      essentially they made a decision based on suposedly information , eh what Chot is saying , hindi namin alam na it will be like this...
                      if unacceptable , the participants should decide not to join , that should be the action point

                      sobrang messed up yung messaging ni Chot , what do you expect the players to do, coach sabi mo , puso , give your all , play hard , tapos hindi pala safe .. LOL walang ganoon
                      So basically SBP should have done their due diligence and assessed if the playing conditions were safe beforehand?​

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                      • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                        So basically SBP should have done their due diligence and assessed if the playing conditions were safe beforehand?​
                        absolutely and make the decision then to join or not , no one is forcing them to join, you cannot say now,.. hindi namin alam ganito pala,, where is the due diligence work ?

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                        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                          The SBP people should have made the call to join , prepare or not , months ago.. if based on their investigations / intel , too many concerns , then it should defer. mag send ng sorry regrets na lang.... but once they agreed wala na ...


                          Australia and New Zealand sent their apologies not to join Asia U18 last year , months in advance , for whatever reason (safety etc) , what they could not do is join and travel there , then the day before the 1st game or half time say , ayoko na LOL

                          i guess what i am saying it's inappropriate, to be already there , and the head coach, says. " we shouldn;t even be here , LOL. what kind of logic is that

                          you're preparing and everything , and asked the boys to train hard.. tapos you will say teka teka, we shouldn't even be here , LOL

                          essentially they made a decision based on supposedly information , eh what Chot is saying , hindi namin alam na it will be like this...
                          if unacceptable , the participants should decide not to join , that should be the action point , months ago, not now

                          sobrang messed up yung messaging ni Chot , what do you expect the players to do, coach sabi mo , puso , give your all , play hard , tapos hindi pala safe .. LOL walang ganoon
                          Wait... What? This was PHL's sports federation call... Not on Coaching staff bro.... First of all, this is not FIBA sanctioned event... So this issue should be resolve by POC and PSC itself... Actually, All members of the tournament didn't knew what the venue they will use because this should be SEAG committee and National sports federation call... Before this event, It should be the SEAG federation will inspect all of the venues for the event... So it should be all members fault, Including SEAG committee itself... Right?

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                          • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                            The SBP people should have made the call to join , prepare or not , months ago.. if based on their investigations / intel , too many concerns , then it should defer. mag send ng sorry regrets na lang.... but once they agreed wala na ...


                            Australia and New Zealand sent their apologies not to join Asia U18 last year , months in advance , for whatever reason (safety etc) , what they could not do is join and travel there , then the day before the 1st game or half time say , ayoko na LOL

                            i guess what i am saying it's inappropriate, to be already there , and the head coach, says. " we shouldn;t even be here , LOL. what kind of logic is that

                            you're preparing and everything , and asked the boys to train hard.. tapos you will say teka teka, we shouldn't even be here , LOL

                            essentially they made a decision based on supposedly information , eh what Chot is saying , hindi namin alam na it will be like this...
                            if unacceptable , the participants should decide not to join , that should be the action point , months ago, not now

                            sobrang messed up yung messaging ni Chot , what do you expect the players to do, coach sabi mo , puso , give your all , play hard , tapos hindi pala safe .. LOL walang ganoon
                            pre naman.. i think there is some personal hate towards coach chot na for this... in your example with AUS and NZ regarding the Asian U18, that's different naman parekoy... that is more of a political safety.. we all know naman BEFOREHAND what iran means to other countries and the political landscape.. mali ata the comparison done..

                            chaka pare, what shot said is basically we shouldn't be playing ON A SURFACE LIKE THIS for the safety of the players to avoid injuries.. hindi ung WE SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING IN THE SEA GAMES PERIOD.. kaya i think there is a personal hatred na eh because words are being spun around..

                            and pre, is there a precedent in recent memory that the basketball court provided is deemed unsafe? and honestly, please pre tell me, how in the blue hell would you know what kind of court would be presented gametime? months ago? let's be honest...

                            hayyy naku...

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                            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                              absolutely and make the decision then to join or not , no one is forcing them to join, you cannot say now,.. hindi namin alam ganito pala,, where is the due diligence work ?
                              Don't blame SBP for this bro... This is Cambodia's sports committee and SEAG organizers fault... In the first place, SEAG committee should inspect first the whole facility... Unless bribery happens then this venue should be not allowed to use... Right?

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