2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[CoJ]

Robert by 2027 eligibility of heritage players will be lesser and lesser why? the qataris host of 2027 world cup will use the before 16 passport rule to their favor and almost if not all assign foreign players will get their eligibility as asean leagues become stronger and stronger

heck qatar could just raid the AAU, basketball w/o borders and any euro team youth division to create a pool of U16 players that will be ripe by 2027.

[reamily]

based on Ja.he and my convo, heritage has ZERO meaning. only passport and how long you stayed in a country. under that premise, Dwight is a no go.

not really even on history of any asian games.. andy got in 1997 and played for philippines a lot of our filam swimmers cecil mamiit, treat huey, becah volleyballs are us based..I thought residency only applies to naturalized players.. heck afghan players got to play in 2006 asiad using their heritage..

But sorry of your talking about scenario about residency..only needed to take the address of his brother eli as dwight can be considered as ofw since 2022..

[reamily]

heck qatar could just raid the AAU, basketball w/o borders and any euro team youth division to create a pool of U16 players that will be ripe by 2027.

korekek it will create buzz at first but they need to do it by 2024 hahaha

[CoJ]

i see no reason why we cant win gold and still develop young prospect. sending a youth team without veteran help will be like the current Houston rockets. full of talent no direction. send half youth and half good veterans who are ok with limited mins but can handle playing in the end game if needed, would be nice. youngster learn and get to actually play, but wont be too pressured in case they end up in a situation they are not familiar with.

this should be the template, having a young team with no veteran leadership could lead to kids developing bad habits, and a losing culture like Sacramento before the beam or the current rockets. Veterans could aid coaches in instilling discipline and playing in pressure situations. But yeah as Ja.he and IPC gad mentioned, there should be balance.

too bad sbp is too focused on win now at the expense of development. sabagay we’re hosting the worldcup, better not be embarrassed in our home turf. But after WC, I hope that SBP prioritize youth movement

[C2Hamm]

not really even on history of any asian games.. andy got in 1997 and played for philippines a lot of our filam swimmers cecil mamiit, treat huey, becah volleyballs are us based..I thought residency only applies to naturalized players.. heck afghan players got to play in 2006 asiad using their heritage..

But sorry of your talking about scenario about residency..only needed to take the address of his brother eli as dwight can be considered as ofw since 2022..

ok, so for you, eligible players should all have heritage? can you let us know what heritage is so its clear? i know someone who has a Filipino ancestry but thats his great great great grandfather. no Filipino relative after that. technically, he has Filipino heritage. is that correct? no NP allowed in this case?

[CoJ]

korekek it will create buzz at first but they need to do it by 2024 hahaha

and they still need to invest in the development of those kids, tine is not on Qatar’s side, but hey they have the money. Scary thought, if Qatar will do this said kids would only be 20-22 yrs old come 2027, and if they could keep the core together Qatar could be a force for a decade or two

that’s one way of creating a golden generation, buy them young and hope they are not duds

[C2Hamm]

too bad sbp is too focused on win now at the expense of development. sabagay we’re hosting the worldcup, better not be embarrassed in our home turf. But after WC, I hope that SBP prioritize youth movement

if long hair is taking over.... he isnt known to prioritise youth at all.

[CoJ]

ok, so for you, eligible players should all have heritage? can you let us know what heritage is so its clear? i know someone who has a Filipino ancestry but thats his great great great grandfather. no Filipino relative after that. technically, he has Filipino heritage. is that correct? no NP allowed in this case?

US, Canada and latin america will be on the losing end of this if heritage becomes the basis for eligibility since said continent(s) has centuries of history regarding euro migration

[ja.he]

ok, so for you, eligible players should all have heritage? can you let us know what heritage is so its clear? i know someone who has a Filipino ancestry but thats his great great great grandfather. no Filipino relative after that. technically, he has Filipino heritage. is that correct? no NP allowed in this case?

if reamily insists, the definition of heritage should be just one generation removed. this means that his heritage should be traceable only from his parents, not beyond that.

and by heritage, it means citizenship. either of his parents is a citizen.

however, residency should be more favored over heritage/citizenship by reason of localness.

[DAdmiral]

For a rule on heritage, jt still needs to have a definitive definition, such as 1 grand parent is either a resident of the Philippines or citizen, it really cannot be, as long as you have blood , like WTH does that mean , if you're brown enough, or DNA is medyo brown LOL.

I have no exact preference, just thst the rules are consistent and clear also it has agnostic to local laws none of the BS of jus whatever , natural born , blah ba blah. Just meet the definition requirements whatever it is

[Rodbi]

if long hair is taking over.... he isnt known to prioritise youth at all.

We'd be lucky if we get another Kai-level, 20-and-under player, whether homegrown or overseas-based (FIBA eligible) within the next 5 years, 'cause that's the only time that his leadership will consider injecting youth to his PBA-centric future NTs. How I hope that I'll be proven wrong.

[CoJ]

i remember pre hagop rule Germany who fielded Chris Kaman , who’s great grand parents were german.

[reamily]

ok, so for you, eligible players should all have heritage? can you let us know what heritage is so its clear? i know someone who has a Filipino ancestry but thats his great great great grandfather. no Filipino relative after that. technically, he has Filipino heritage. is that correct? no NP allowed in this case?

as long as the family has the citizenship by applying to become citizen in each generation..we have our laws, our country is created after being occupied by spaniards and americans mainly so filipinos living abroad (hawaii, or so or spain) is part of our heritage as long as it abides our existing law

[reamily]

For a rule on heritage, jt still needs to have a definitive definition, such as 1 grand parent is either a resident of the Philippines or citizen, it really cannot be, as long as you have blood , like WTH does that mean , if you're brown enough, or DNA is medyo brown LOL.

I have no exact preference, just thst the rules are consistent and clear also it has agnostic to local laws none of the BS of jus whatever , natural born , blah ba blah. Just meet the definition requirements whatever it is

Correct

[C2Hamm]

For a rule on heritage, jt still needs to have a definitive definition, such as 1 grand parent is either a resident of the Philippines or citizen, it really cannot be, as long as you have blood , like WTH does that mean , if you're brown enough, or DNA is medyo brown LOL.m

I have no exact preference, just thst the rules are consistent and clear also it has agnostic to local laws none of the BS of jus whatever , natural born , blah ba blah. Just meet the definition requirements whatever it is

well the topic is if there can a single eligibility guideline. i will assume its for SEA games because we are in that thread.
so my preference is any thing as long as it can be enjoyed by all members. if they dont use it to the fullest, it should be because they decided not to, and not because there is any hindrance. and that is where heritage is something i dont prefer. im fine if everyone agrees with it. but i dont prefer it. i have no idea if TImor-leste or Singapore can form a competitive team if this is the main guideline. removing this and going with the passport plus residency only, allows non-basketball countries to get "mercenaries" (this is what others think so ill say it) and be competitive. but, it is not necessary that they will. ergo, having such a guideline gives the countries to either hire whoever, give them passport and let them stay for extended period in their country and promote basketball. or just not do it. up to them. but that gives every member a chance to be competitive if they dont have a natural pool to tap players to rep them (like RP, Thailand, and Indonesia). again, if they use this to the fullest or not, up to the country.
for those pro-youth development, e di send a bunch of local youth players. no problem. they get the experience you guys want without stopping Cambodia sending their NPs. if you want a sure gold win, you can send an all PBA team with all the FIBA ineligible. no worries. Indonesia and Thailand can send whoever they please, and that doesnt stop other countries from doing the same. any problem I can think of, is something that country has to address locally. but in a regional point view, everyone is equal.