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  • #31
    Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
    All of you should accept that Basketball already rising sport in ASEAN region... The reason why the sport is now the 2nd most popular sport on earth.. It's obvious that most of the countries already trying to be competitive in international competition... Don't tell Philippines are not improving, Actually their program is improving, Your grassroot program still a top 8 in Asia, But other countries investing in the sport this time... Indonesia already preparing for defending the title since last year, and planning to have another naturalized player because Bolden will be not available for upcoming SEAG... Thailand and Vietnam aggressively finding more foreign local blood players overseas, especially FIBA eligible players... Malaysia already have their naturalized player/s to beef up their squad... Singapore keep their team improving by putting their core in their PRO squad Slingers and Cambodia is also copying Vietnam and Thailand style recruitment by finding foreign based locals too.... Don't be surprise if after 10 years, teams like Laos, Myanmar, Timor Leste and Brunei will try this sport and joining international competitions.. NBA and FIBA sees ASEAN region is a big market for their business tool... They were now investing their venture here in this region.. market the sport very well, with more than 800 million people in this region, Don't be surprise for that... Long time ago, no one in other ASEAN countries take this sport seriously.. But that's the thing of the past now... You have to welcome those countries and make it love for the sport.. It will good for your region in the long run...
    It's not that the Philippines isn't improving in relation to ASEAN. It's improving too slow in relation to countries like Lebanon, South Korea, and Japan. I mean, SoKor and Japan have been producing NBA-style forwards and sending homegrown talent overseas, and Japan blew us out.

    If we improve too slowly and we're not careful, the other ASEAN countries have the potential of beating us, first with FIBA-ineligibles, and then with some talented FIBA locals.

    That Indonesia loss was a wake-up call. Need better rosters now to win this thing, but we still can't neglect the development of our FIBA-fit youngsters. Need a lot of the best youngsters who haven't seen much FIBA action, being supplemented by good and FIBA-fit PBA players and a good naturalized player. Good coach too, and with a good amount of practice time.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by IPC View Post
      It's not that the Philippines isn't improving in relation to ASEAN. It's improving too slow in relation to countries like Lebanon, South Korea, and Japan. I mean, SoKor and Japan have been producing NBA-style forwards and sending homegrown talent overseas, and Japan blew us out.

      If we improve too slowly and we're not careful, the other ASEAN countries have the potential of beating us, first with FIBA-ineligibles, and then with some talented FIBA locals.

      That Indonesia loss was a wake-up call. Need better rosters now to win this thing, but we still can't neglect the development of our FIBA-fit youngsters. Need a lot of the best youngsters who haven't seen much FIBA action, being supplemented by good and FIBA-fit PBA players and a good naturalized player. Good coach too, and with a good amount of practice time.
      But your team still able to produce a Kai Sotto like big man in Asia... Other countries doesn't have that kind of talent... Other countries are wishing that they will have that kind of big man that surely dominates inside the lane.. And he is what? 20 or 21 years old? Your team still lucky that you have Kai Sotto talent in Asia that other teams dreaming of... As for my point, It's good that other ASEAN countries treating basketball seriously right now... This is good for the sport and for competition in the region.. No way now Philippines will able to prepare a week before SEAG, That is thing of the past already... And with new FIBA format, they were now experiencing exposure that they badly needed... Indonesia gain a lot of exposure during their preparations for FIBA Asia cup, before, they were unable to face such as Australia, China, Korea, Lebanon, etc... But with new format, things are change.. That experience they get during their campaign will be able to bring to their match up against Philippines... They are not afraid playing against the Philippines anymore, this is actually a good thing for the sake of ASEAN basketball scene... Same as Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia.. That Division B competition format of FIBA surely those countries badly needed to gain some exposure because one thing they were noticed why they can't able to beat Philippines in every SEAG campaign, Because they are all lack of valuable experience playing against teams who are same level as Philippines...

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      • #33
        That Indonesia's famous victory vs the Philippines in SEAG basketball last year opens the competition to all, As other ASEAN countries now determine to copy Indonesia's success.... They are now aiming to win a gold medal after that what happened last year... They realized now Philippines in basketball is not forever immortal.. They are thinking right now that Philippines is not untouchable in basketball scene...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bones
          will chot still be the coach? i suppose mvp would want to give him a chance to redeem himself.
          This guy is really well connected. How many chances has he gotten? Almost everyone in this world has only one chance in every opportunity to prove themselves.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bones
            sorry to burst your bubble but the reasons we lost was 1) we didn't respect the competition by sending a rag tag pba + bleague team and 2) we were too cocky not to have a naturalized player to match up with Bolden. what we can't afford now is to send an all filipino lineup and an ill prepared team even if its all pba.
            Yeah. We can surely beat that gold medalists Indonesia last year had the SBP gathered their sh*ts together.

            Indonesia winning against the Philippines is more of a perfect timing while the SBP is in shambles.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bones
              i think the sbp's focus on this year's world cup hosting also contributed to the loss, indonesia has been preparing for that moment since 2016
              I don't think that SBP will allow such repeat. However, I believe we will have a pool dedicated for the SEA Games. Those that will not make the cut in the World Cup roster will probably play here. I can sense either that Brownlee or Kouame will be tapped as well.
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              • #37
                Brownlee it is, Kouame will probably have his surgery after the Dubai tournament

                https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...article_feed_1

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
                  Brownlee it is, Kouame will probably have his surgery after the Dubai tournament

                  https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...article_feed_1
                  The rest of the team has to be carefully selected now. Ideally, a good mix of youngsters with potential alongside some PBA players who fit international play. Of course, among those not part of the World Cup pool.

                  Also, they have to be well-coached.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Bones
                    sorry to burst your bubble but the reasons we lost was 1) we didn't respect the competition by sending a rag tag pba + bleague team and 2) we were too cocky not to have a naturalized player to match up with Bolden. what we can't afford now is to send an all filipino lineup and an ill prepared team even if its all pba.
                    But whatever the reason is, Philippines lost that game... Give credit to the Indonesian team who prepared hard to beat your team.. Because before as i said, Philippines can able to win the Gold even they will send all amateurs (Youth team) and only prepare for 1 week because other ASEAN countries doesn't care to compete in basketball... This is not the case now... Try again that sh*t your team did last year and again they will beat your team again because other ASEAN countries already determine to beat your ass right now.... A prepared less talented national team will always win against a talented squad but no preparations at all....

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                      Yeah. We can surely beat that gold medalists Indonesia last year had the SBP gathered their sh*ts together.

                      Indonesia winning against the Philippines is more of a perfect timing while the SBP is in shambles.
                      But Bolden - DMX combo is tough... Both are still young and will play for Indonesia atleast 10 -15 years... Once those two players (or three alongside African recruit Diagne) will reach their prime years, Only way to retain your SEAG title is to have Kai Sotto in the line up... I don't think Kouame alone will able to match up against those three upcoming stars of Indonesia, Unless Philippines will not try to win SEAG anymore... I heard Indonesian federation (PERBASI) are recruiting foreign based local FIBA eligible to fill in the spots for their team... The challenge of Indonesia to your supremacy in ASEAN basketball will be on the highest level... Indonesia are not afraid on your team dude.... Their chairman (Erick Thotir) is a dedicated basketball aficionado who dreaming one day Indonesia basketball will play in the World Cup or Olympics in the future... That is his goal long term...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
                        All of you should accept that Basketball already rising sport in ASEAN region... The reason why the sport is now the 2nd most popular sport on earth.. It's obvious that most of the countries already trying to be competitive in international competition... Don't tell Philippines are not improving, Actually their program is improving, Your grassroot program still a top 8 in Asia, But other countries investing in the sport this time... Indonesia already preparing for defending the title since last year, and planning to have another naturalized player because Bolden will be not available for upcoming SEAG... Thailand and Vietnam aggressively finding more foreign local blood players overseas, especially FIBA eligible players... Malaysia already have their naturalized player/s to beef up their squad... Singapore keep their team improving by putting their core in their PRO squad Slingers and Cambodia is also copying Vietnam and Thailand style recruitment by finding foreign based locals too.... Don't be surprise if after 10 years, teams like Laos, Myanmar, Timor Leste and Brunei will try this sport and joining international competitions.. NBA and FIBA sees ASEAN region is a big market for their business tool... They were now investing their venture here in this region.. market the sport very well, with more than 800 million people in this region, Don't be surprise for that... Long time ago, no one in other ASEAN countries take this sport seriously.. But that's the thing of the past now... You have to welcome those countries and make it love for the sport.. It will good for your region in the long run...

                        Interesting in Japan,Korea and Taiwan and even in Australia basketball is just 3rd or 4th popular sport,yet Japan and Australia have NBA players.Baseball is still king in both Korea and Japan,and in Australia women netballers make more money than the men in pro basketball.ASEAN basketball will improve,but it will never be as popular as soccer and volleyball in the region.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                          Interesting in Japan,Korea and Taiwan and even in Australia basketball is just 3rd or 4th popular sport,yet Japan and Australia have NBA players.Baseball is still king in both Korea and Japan,and in Australia women netballers make more money than the men in pro basketball.ASEAN basketball will improve,but it will never be as popular as soccer and volleyball in the region.
                          This circles back again to the culture of youth sports. Japan, Korea and Australia are strong in that. Also, playing sports (any sport) early as a young kid is more important than specializing in one sport at a later age. Kids should be trying out different sports when they are young so they develop different physical and mental abilities. Cross-training eventually makes you a better athlete and prevents over-use injuries. High school age is the time to concentrate on one sport if the goal is to play in college or higher.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                            Interesting in Japan,Korea and Taiwan and even in Australia basketball is just 3rd or 4th popular sport,yet Japan and Australia have NBA players.Baseball is still king in both Korea and Japan,and in Australia women netballers make more money than the men in pro basketball.ASEAN basketball will improve,but it will never be as popular as soccer and volleyball in the region.
                            In Taiwan, Basketball there is near 2nd after Baseball.. That's sure.... While Korea, Japan and Australia is in 5th... But you mentioned countries are 1st world countries and part of G20 countries... their sports program is very good and well supported by their government plus big time sponsors... That is not the case in the Philippines... While i don't know if volleyball is more popular there over Basketball in ASEAN.. In terms of participation, number of professional leagues and players, Basketball are well known than Volleyball in whole ASEAN region... Maybe Badminton, since Indonesia and Malaysia are powerhouse of this sport... But basketball athletes are well paid than volleyball or badminton players.. Plus sponsor are more in basketball than volleyball because the sport is already rising and increasing in terms of fan support... I'm sure in Indonesia, basketball popularity there is in all time high after their famous SEAG gold medal win vs Philippines... Indonesian fans always following DMX journey, same as Filipinos following Kai Sotto.... While in Vietnam, basketball popularity there is fast increasing, Since 2016, their federation investing for this sport and as for now it works and their PRO league is popular, especially on their local fans....

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
                              In Taiwan, Basketball there is near 2nd after Baseball.. That's sure.... While Korea, Japan and Australia is in 5th... But you mentioned countries are 1st world countries and part of G20 countries... their sports program is very good and well supported by their government plus big time sponsors... That is not the case in the Philippines... While i don't know if volleyball is more popular there over Basketball in ASEAN.. In terms of participation, number of professional leagues and players, Basketball are well known than Volleyball in whole ASEAN region... Maybe Badminton, since Indonesia and Malaysia are powerhouse of this sport... But basketball athletes are well paid than volleyball or badminton players.. Plus sponsor are more in basketball than volleyball because the sport is already rising and increasing in terms of fan support... I'm sure in Indonesia, basketball popularity there is in all time high after their famous SEAG gold medal win vs Philippines... Indonesian fans always following DMX journey, same as Filipinos following Kai Sotto.... While in Vietnam, basketball popularity there is fast increasing, Since 2016, their federation investing for this sport and as for now it works and their PRO league is popular, especially on their local fans....

                              Those countries I mentioned follow the US young athletes formula of multi sport participation from very young age and in high school they're 2 or 3 sport stars,in the US highschool kids play sports in whatever season,fall for football,winter to spring basketball,spring track and field or baseball.Japan,Korea and Austalia have the same formula,multi sport stars who ends up in that 1 sport they really loved and dedicated to.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post
                                I?m still confident that we could re-claim that Gold with the likes of JB(our naturalized), Remy Martin, Sedric Barefield, BGR and Ron Harper Jr.(how I wish) as the core and let our so-called A-team focus more on WC2023.
                                If the newly released statement coming from POC Pres. Bambol that allowed all PH Passport holder whether it was release before and after his/her 16th bday and neither he/she is local born or by a decree via Naturalization..it doesn't matter...the bottomline line here is your carrying a legit Pass of the country you want to represent.

                                Philippine Olympic Committee president Abraham Tolentino said the country could field in Justin Brownlee, who is in the final process of naturalization, as well as other naturalized players like Angelo Kouame and Filipino-American Utah Jazz star Jordan Clarkson for Gilas Pilipinas.

                                Even Marcus Douthit and Andrei Blatche, who are also Philippine passport holders, can play in the biennial event set May 5 to 17 in Phnom Penh, Cambodia if they and the country want to.
                                Even Christian Standhardinger or Stanley Pringle, both Philippine passport holders, could play as locals in the biennial event set May 5 to 17 in Phnom Penh, Cambodia if they and the country want to.

                                ?Yes, kahit buong lima,? said Tolentino.
                                https://www.philstar.com/sports/2023...ible-sea-games

                                https://www.philstar.com/sports/2023...stuff-cambodia

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