2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[C2Hamm]

The problem for me was that we seem to have little purpose with the lineup. No direction except to bring back the gold.

we had this discussion since the news that CCR will replace CTB. the main purpose is to make PBA appealing. nothing to do with the national team. nothing to do with development. i stand by what i said before, as long as the NSA is also handling another league of the same sport, its management will be affected. doesnt matter if its MVP, RSA, or Manny Pacquiao.

having said that, i hope the hosting is successful. hotels get booked out. resto gets queued up, and most importanatly, little to no crimes. trabaho lng.

[elleroch]

mike and ben phillips -- no problem with their eligiblities based on Fiba rules--they can be considered as local players as both speaks fluent tagalog...

[FilWelsh]

My final 12 :

Brownlee, Hermoso, Perez, Ganuelas, Lassiter, Newsome, Oftana, Ross, Amos, M.Phillips, Tolentino and Lastimosa.

out : Gray, Black & B.Phillips

why Tolentino and Lastimosa in? Yes we will win but how would our SEA neighbours react when most of our players are foreign- born. The two must be included so as to present a semblance of “local-ness” otherwise they will say Philippines won because it is manned mostly by “foreign mercenaries”. Forgive me for this term but I anticipate negative feedbacks from our rivals.

[FilWelsh]

OT : I heard that SBP is working on CStand FIBA eligibility to play for WC.

[CoJ]

OT : I heard that SBP is working on CStand FIBA eligibility to play for WC.

typical SBP, win now mode instead of long term utility. CStan is probably good for 1 more qualifying cycle. anyway, it’s their money so…

[Juancho]

https://www.spin.ph/multisport/sea-games/poy-erram-availability-gilas-pilipinas-sea-games-a794-20230501?ref=home_featured_big

Does this mean chot didn't even bother to tell Erram he won't line him up for sea games?

[IPC]

https://www.spin.ph/multisport/sea-g...e_featured_big

Does this mean chot didn't even bother to tell Erram he won't line him up for sea games?

Most likely.

Not good if you want guys to play for you. I'm not the biggest fan of Erram for Gilas, but decency dictates that Chot should have just told Erram straight up.

[reamily]

typical SBP, win now mode instead of long term utility. CStan is probably good for 1 more qualifying cycle. anyway, it’s their money so…

I will bet on guys who can deliver.

[sroth3839]

I will bet on guys who can deliver.

At this rate, why bother playing for Gilas if you want to develop?

Just do it yourself by playing overseas.

Gilas is a win-now program and only finished goods will be considered.

[thatweirdguy]

Most likely.

Not good if you want guys to play for you. I'm not the biggest fan of Erram for Gilas, but decency dictates that Chot should have just told Erram straight up.

And he's an MVP guy. Would rather have him than Tolentino just for insurance but Chot probably wants better shooters

[Rds]

My final 12 :

Brownlee, Hermoso, Perez, Ganuelas, Lassiter, Newsome, Oftana, Ross, Amos, M.Phillips, Tolentino and Lastimosa.

out : Gray, Black & B.Phillips

why Tolentino and Lastimosa in? Yes we will win but how would our SEA neighbours react when most of our players are foreign- born. The two must be included so as to present a semblance of “local-ness” otherwise they will say Philippines won because it is manned mostly by “foreign mercenaries”. Forgive me for this term but I anticipate negative feedbacks from our rivals.

I agree. This is why I agree with the Hagop rule. Before the Hagop rule we were getting good players that had dubious or far connection to the Philippines. We were literally recruiting any good player that at least has a grandparent that was Filipino or anybody that could produce a Filipino passport. Let me remind you that when it comes to Filipino passport anybody can get it if the price is right. Guys like Alvarado and Rob Parker have them right until it was proven their so-called Filipino ancestor was not Filipino.

Even with guys that have parents or grandparents that were Filipinos, everybody knows these guys were developed abroad. If we bring a Philippine team that is 90% guys that developed their game outside the Philippines, what does it say about us? Are we that desperate that we will go for almost overseas-growns because they are taller, more athletic and more skilled when many home growns are good enough if not slightly shorter or slightly less athletic or less skilled than their overseas-grown counterparts? Also, are we really going for a team that is more than 50% Fiba ineligible? Are we just saying that throw development and chemistry out of the door, we are going with all our good ineligibles so we can win Gold, continuity and preparation for the WC be damned. Then come WC, Chot will complain about the lack of practice time when he could've picked guys who could play for the WC in the SEA games team.

[all_about]

Ben philipps reminds me of a 6'5 version of Andy seigle.

[yobabs715ph]

My final 12 :

Brownlee, Hermoso, Perez, Ganuelas, Lassiter, Newsome, Oftana, Ross, Amos, M.Phillips, Tolentino and Lastimosa.

out : Gray, Black & B.Phillips

why Tolentino and Lastimosa in? Yes we will win but how would our SEA neighbours react when most of our players are foreign- born. The two must be included so as to present a semblance of “local-ness” otherwise they will say Philippines won because it is manned mostly by “foreign mercenaries”. Forgive me for this term but I anticipate negative feedbacks from our rivals.

Why are we worrying what other countries will think in this tournament? Actually, our neighbors have taken advantage this rule to put more ineligible. For example, Thailand they have 4-5 foreign born player plus they have the Thai-German guy playing In Europe. Look how Indonesia treat this competition fielding 3 naturalized players. Vietnam are doing the same and maybe the host Cambodia will follow same rule. That is why people are asking where Ange is when we badly needed size? And also, at this time being conservative is not an option.

[ja.he]

Why are we worrying what other countries will think in this tournament? Actually, our neighbors have taken advantage this rule to put more ineligible. For example, Thailand they have 4-5 foreign born player plus they have the Thai-German guy playing In Europe. Look how Indonesia treat this competition fielding 3 naturalized players. Vietnam are doing the same and maybe the host Cambodia will follow same rule. That is why people are asking where Ange is when we badly needed size? And also, at this time being conservative is not an option.

yeah, i agree. why take out black and ben philipps?

black was born here, grew up here, studied here and can speak tagalog fluently.

ben philipps assimilated himself here, he is studying here and can also speak tagalog fluently.

why disenfranchise these guys? they are more local than those thai-ams, those indo-fors and those cam-fors.

we want to exclude ben philipps and aaron black based on physical appearance. that's ridiculous.

[IPC]

My final 12 :

Brownlee, Hermoso, Perez, Ganuelas, Lassiter, Newsome, Oftana, Ross, Amos, M.Phillips, Tolentino and Lastimosa.

out : Gray, Black & B.Phillips

why Tolentino and Lastimosa in? Yes we will win but how would our SEA neighbours react when most of our players are foreign- born. The two must be included so as to present a semblance of “local-ness” otherwise they will say Philippines won because it is manned mostly by “foreign mercenaries”. Forgive me for this term but I anticipate negative feedbacks from our rivals.

Black over Ross, Miah over Arvin or Marcio. Might wanna focus on youth while preparing to win gold. Plus, we need to make a case for Miah's eligibility.