2023 SEA Games (Cambodia)

[DAdmiral]

People not understanding international policy making and what it relies on as source of verification.

People confuse blood lineage and the basis of how it is verifiable. 1st it's not mere blood association but it is relationship to someone who holds a document at point of time (citizenship) . Yes everything still boils down to papers . Every eligibility rules even PBA are still verified by paper document requirements.

[ja.he]

People not understanding international policy making and what it relies on as source of verification.

People confuse blood lineage and the basis of how it is verifiable. 1st it's not mere blood association but it is relationship to someone who holds a document at point of time (citizenship) . Yes everything still boils down to papers . Every eligibility rules even PBA are still verified by paper document requirements.

This eligibility rules of FIBA. I believe that this will be lucrative for lawyers to work on this matter. I mean if you love basketball and you are a lawyer, you can enjoy this. You can be like Mickey Ingles.

[DAdmiral]

I believe that this will be lucrative for lawyers to w

It's actually a different discipline (policy making) compared to law , knowledge in law is specific to which area of law, (Philippine law , international commercial law). Policy making especially for a governing international body like FIBA , is independent of each countries laws.

The way good policy making is done , is to do away with lawyers (seriously).

If FIBA policy is dependent on how each country views a authentic citizen it will be a total mess.
good policy is when it is independent of each countries basis of who is a citizen.

this is what will happen if law dictated the NBA eligibility rules and policies (it woild be a joke)

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023/4/1/23666048/spurs-acquire-victor-wembanyama-in-sign-and-trade-with-french-team

[ja.he]

It's actually a different discipline (policy making) compared to law , knowledge in law is specific to which area of law, (Philippine law , international commercial law). Policy making especially for a governing international body like FIBA , is independent of each countries laws.

The way good policy making is done , is to do away with lawyers (seriously).

I'm not only talking about FIBA rules on eligibility but on the mechanism that will make a player eligible as locals in the tournament the way Qatar and Indonesia have been doing. I'm also referring to the internal mechanism (our laws).

Anyway, FIBA rules on eligibility is still a law. So lawyers will do a good job in finding a way to reconcile conflicting laws or rules at hand to apply on his player's case.

[DAdmiral]

I'm not only talking about FIBA rules on eligibility but on the mechanism that will make a player eligible as locals in the tournament the way Qatar and Indonesia have been doing. I'm also referring to the internal mechanism (our laws).

Anyway, FIBA rules on eligibility is still a law. So lawyers will do a good job in finding a way to reconcile conflicting laws or rules at hand to apply on his player's case.

Yup legal advise to be complaint to the rules makes sense , to essentially make players eligible.
like I advise Phil foreigners to date stamp when they apply for a passport (before B day), stuff like that .
for exceptions . How to estaish residency etc. Etc

[Silent Killer]

you know what frustrates me.. Matt Ganuelas Rosser is a local and can play as a local and yet his brother Brandon Ganuellas Rosser is an ineligible.. they are freakin brothers.. all boils down to mere papers and place of birth... hayyyy....

one is born in RP (MGR) and one is born in US? BGR has the chance to apply one but too late..

[ja.he]

It's actually a different discipline (policy making) compared to law , knowledge in law is specific to which area of law, (Philippine law , international commercial law). Policy making especially for a governing international body like FIBA , is independent of each countries laws.

The way good policy making is done , is to do away with lawyers (seriously).

If FIBA policy is dependent on how each country views a authentic citizen it will be a total mess.
good policy is when it is independent of each countries basis of who is a citizen.

this is what will happen if law dictated the NBA eligibility rules and policies (it woild be a joke)

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023...th-french-team

I think that we have a misunderstanding here. I am not saying that lawyers should insist that our laws are right and shall take precedence over FIBA rules on eligibility. What I am trying to say is that lawyers can work with domestic laws, still, in compliance with the FIBA rules on eligibility.

You know, in general, a player is not eligible if he is not passport holder. Issuance of passport is still dependent on our local mechanism. This is where the lawyers (immigration or sports lawyers) will come into play. We can determine what are the laws that can be applicable so that players can have their PH passport earlier. We can also facilitate the naturalization process as well.

[DAdmiral]

one is born in RP (MGR) and one is born in US? BGR has the chance to apply one but too late..

An example of how FIBA rule granting eligibility for birth in a country is different from a nation's basis of granting citizenship. They are 2 different things

[ja.he]

Yup legal advise to be complaint to the rules makes sense , to essentially make players eligible.
like I advise Phil foreigners to date stamp when they apply for a passport (before B day), stuff like that .
for exceptions . How to estaish residency etc. Etc

I am not limiting myself to the Fil-Fors but also to the FSAs. I think that FSAs have more fighting chance to become locals had their papers processed earlier.

I am not wrong. I thought that Abasi of Taiwan will be considered a local anytime soon. I was not wrong because FIBA did consider Abasi a local.

[DAdmiral]

I am not limiting myself to the Fil-Fors but also to the FSAs. I think that FSAs have more fighting chance to become locals had their papers processed earlier.

Agree , what you're suggesting is what will best make a player compliant to meet FIBAs definition of a local eligible player. This is actually strategically smart.

The focus of legsl advise should be on what you mentioned , not arguing if an international body like FIBA has appropriate policy

A good analogy is instead of arguing if FIBAs goal tending is appropriate, learn how to take advantage of the goal tending rules to one's advantage

[DAdmiral]

I am not wrong. I thought that Abasi of Taiwan will be considered a local anytime soon. I was not wrong because FIBA did consider Abasi a local.

What are the details of Abasi, is he of Chinese entnicity? I'm curious

Interesting A case of a player who was classified and played as a Naturalized player granted to play as a local .. by FIBA. Note also has no Taiwanese entncity and was naturalized by special laws (like our congress process)

https://focustaiwan.tw/sports/202303070028

[ja.he]

Agree , what you're suggesting is what will best make a player compliant to meet FIBAs definition of a local eligible player. This is actually strategically smart.

The focus of legsl advise should be on what you mentioned , not arguing if an international body like FIBA has appropriate policy

A good analogy is instead of arguing if FIBAs goal tending is appropriate, learn how to take advantage of the goal tending rules to one's advantage

That's why if I were the SBP, I will work on Brownlee, Jr.'s passport the moment Brownlee, Sr. became a naturalized Filipino citizen. The kid is only 12 I believe. It will be unwise for SBP not to do so. If they are not will to work with the kid's papers, atleast advice Brownlee, Sr. to work do so.

Fact: no need to naturalized Brownlee, Jr.

[ja.he]

What are the details of Abasi, is he of Chinese entnicity? I'm curious

No, his parents are Senegalese and American.

They settled in Taiwan when he was 8. He became a Taiwanese in 2020 - age 21.

This is summary about Abasi in Taiwan:

- Resident of Taiwan since 8.
- He studied in Taiwan, from grade school to college.
- He is fluent in Mandarin.
- He learned his basketball in Taiwan.
- He plays pro basketball in Taiwan.
- He was granted Taiwanese citizenship age 21 through naturalization.

[Rds]

That's why if I were the SBP, I will work on Brownlee, Jr.'s passport the moment Brownlee, Sr. became a naturalized Filipino citizen. The kid is only 12 I believe. It will be unwise for SBP not to do so. If they are not will to work with the kid's papers, atleast advice Brownlee, Sr. to work do so.

Fact: no need to naturalized Brownlee, Jr.

Do the lawyers and law students here agree? I don't agree with this. It will only apply if Brownlee has another child right?

[reamily]

Felt bad that we didnt fought thailand, they were strong group.. they were a Jerico Cruz floater away from defeating guam without their bigs (Breunig and Jakrawan)

https://www.fiba.basketball/asiacup/2025/pre-qualifiers/game/2402/Thailand-Guam