2023 FIBA Asia u16 Championship

[DAdmiral]

The level of High school basketball exposure in Oceania, (most of these U16 players are concentrated in a few city competitions, school/ clubs . NBL1/ Nznbl. Is just at a different level. (Compared to Asian high school basketball exposure ).
the pipeline of players prospect for Div1 and Europe clubs will continue in volume from Oceania, with the environment their youth are exposed to

note Russo Nance is just 18, yet he's playing regularly vs Sarr (NBA drsft lottery pick) and Cotton and company.

[DAdmiral]

Just look at the Kiwi NBL rookies this year , Cameron , Nance , Manenga , (last yr ROY) Waardenberg, there is a constant steady pipeline of prospects being produced every year

[Athrunzala]

Dribble Drive is tactically a mistake against taller player with longer arms...

[DAdmiral]

Dribble Drive is tactically a mistake against taller player with longer arms...

Watching training from Mavs etc, it's one on one dribble drive beat you man focus , rather than a focus on 1st good running mobility, team play and outside shooting.
it's too NBA individual focus, rather than team effective skill focus

[ccharmed]

There is nothing surprising about the philaus game. The tallest, biggest and most talented team creamed the midget baller team. As is expected.

Hope is not a strategy, and for some really weird reason, many pinoys desperately hope that midgets can defeat giants in a game designed for giants. If it werent designed for giants, rule changes like allowing rebounds only beyond the 3 meter line, and scoring beyond the 6 meter perimeter would be imposed. Such ridiculous, even if size-fair, rules can never be imposed as more than a third of countries genetically will have tall to very tall players.

With the mvp group soon gone from the sbp, getting rid of mediocre coaches like the coachoters should be easy enough.

Can pinoys improve on their game? Yes, provided we stop cackling stupid emotional squatter mantras like "pusod". There was no heart shown in that philaus and many other fiba games. Pinoy nts can be easily disheartened and disorganized into panic mode, as any other midget team from asean countries. Relying on, and using common sense at all times is the way to go.

First, the sbp must be financing and incentivizing the joining of big players to create impressive u15,u16,u17 and u18 teams every year. This should be the core mission and vision of the sbp. For some weird reason, the sbp deludes itself into thinking that its main mission is to use pba players in pinoy nts. Wala naman palang kagilalas-gilalas ang gilas teams niya. Puro salita, kulang sa gawa.

You can never form a highly skilled international team without a permanent pipeline. If the tiny players complain, well, there are millions of small pinoy players who will want to replace them by hook or by crook anyway.

Basketball is a big boys' and big men's game. The players almost absolutely must be big even before they are motivated and trained for high-level baller skills. Which american football coach gets midgets for defensive ends? Which rugby coach selects non-brawny scrawny players for the game? The type of players demanded by a particular sports, not desperate and futile fanatics' hopes, must determine player pool development.

I already suggested permanent in-kind incentives for getting big boys onboard in earlier posts. Obviously, pro sports managers can create more enticing practical freebies for joining a national team pool so that parents themselves are encouraged to send their boys. International or fiba world ball, unlike local competitions, almost absolutely require at least 4 2-meter (6'7) and taller mobile skilled bigs in an nt team. Six of these big players are almost a must. Almost all top 40 teams can comply with this minimum-of-bigs sports requirement; why shouldnt the philippines?

There must also be a citizenship through a sports scholarship route for good prospects. All the sports-successful countries have one. Again, for some quixotic lunacy, pinoy balling depends only on basketball-crazy midgets to set sports citizenship policies. There are lots of physically promising bigs in eurasia and africa who, even at 14 years old, can be offered generous free billeting, round-trip home-travel for them and their parents every six months, education and sports advanced training for a minimum of four years. Dual citizenship will then be offered to at least six, optimally at least a dozen,14-15 year olds fsa players every year. That most certainly will not create migration issues.

Best yet, the presence of two or more quailty 6'7 to 7 footer fsa players in each high school and college team will destroy the illusion of midget players that they are fit for the balling sports.

Definitely, the nativist, basketball-crazy local midgets will oppose such common sense approach. Like bcap opposing foreign coaching, when their members' fiba balling skills failure as coaches is so high. Why arent native midgets not offered the same incentives? Because there are millions of small players unfit for international tournaments, and only a handful of youthful giants usable for basketball in the philippines, and that fact can never be changed. Hindi naman dama ang basketbol di ba?

Nativism and false nationalism almost always defeat intelligent patriotism, say on how to easily avoid the embarrassing failures i have seen in 50 years of pinoy mediocre performance in fiba tournaments.

Matapos ang epic fails, kung magsawa na talaga mga pinoy sa failures at worthless sports hopes. If we want to be nativist, maybe only the igorots and manobos deserve to have the privilege to play basketball here.

[Kaireem]

and right on cue the geniuses and haters came out of the woodwork

this u16 got the job done, they qualified for the world cup period!

[Kaireem]

Watching training from Mavs etc, it's one on one dribble drive beat you man focus , rather than a focus on 1st good running mobility, team play and outside shooting.
it's too NBA individual focus, rather than team effective skill focus

so how will a team of skilled midgets beat a skilled and physically imposing tall team then?

team effective skill focus? what the heck is that?

[ccharmed]

So many fools still fanatically believe anyone with a different opinion is a hater. Qualified for the world cup, period???? Never heard of the luck of the draw???

The team only met two good tall teams, china and australia. South korea even sent an unusually small and bad team this year. Did these fools check the philippine record against sokor youth teams? Is new zealand australia not part of asia? How did the u16 fare against them?

This team qualified not because, but despite of, the coach. Check his records against good youth teams, not against malaysia.

[TheRodster21]

so how will a team of skilled midgets beat a skilled and physically imposing tall team then?

team effective skill focus? what the heck is that?

I mean there is definitely room for improvement. Look at the 6’5 bigs on this team and they can’t really dribble or shoot. The whole team struggles with shooting skills that can be improved on.

[Rds]

I mean there is definitely room for improvement. Look at the 6’5 bigs on this team and they can’t really dribble or shoot. The whole team struggles with shooting skills that can be improved on.

I agree. Theres room for improvement. Like the 26 guy showed, with enough handles and shiftiness our 6’4-6’6 guys should be able to score. Handles really need to be improved for our 6’4-6’6 guys. At the moment it seems only 26 has that. It goes to show for our homegrowns, like Daja, one handers are not enough at this levels because these level of length and athleticism can block or bother those.

Our shooters also need to be better. It is hard to generate wide open 3s at this level. They should be able to shoot more confidently on some close outs. Of course I am just a couch potato but it seems to me some 3s were open enough but the boys were just not used to the length and speed of the defense that they were not shooting with confidence. They also did not take open looks at 3 instead of going for the drive which is a worse FG against this guys.

This also applies to the Williams PG kid. He is actually very good. He could drive against OZ at will. I dont know if he doesnt have the strength yet but the kid never attempted a 3 even if the defense were hedging against his drive.

The point is, many of these kids are tall enough from PG, SG and SF. But their skills in these positions at this level still need improvement. Even our 6-4-6-6 guys would be a lot a better if they had SF level skills which are compatible for their height at this level.

At this age level, winning is not the end goal it is developing the skills that would enable them to compete at high levels in the higher age levels. The problem of height will always be there, that is why we have NPs to solve that. In the youth levels we focus on making them better so when they grow up they are good at their internationally sized position.

[Metta]

It was a thorough beatdown, now on to the next game.

This are youth players, it was essential growing pain. They will be better for this.

Now for our leaders/coaches/parents, this illustrates how we need to get better with our development. We have players with good size for this age bracket. But they are painfully raw and cannot be included. We need to do a better job of training the limited amount of young bigs at our disposal, we have to do it way earlier. If we aspire to continually compete against the level of an Australia, there's no going around it but we have to maximize the potential of our young bigs.

The days of just letting youth prospects develop on their own and leaving it up to chance is long gone. The amount and type of training that other countries use on their youth prospects are so advanced. We have to be proactive if we want to get to that world-level.

[DAdmiral]

so how will a team of skilled midgets beat a skilled and physically imposing tall team then?

team effective skill focus? what the heck is that?

Just listen to Norman Blacks WC takeaways on what need to change in how we develop, 1st who do we pick to develop? And what skills to focus on for these tall playes

don't get me wrong, it's not tournament coaching ( which this team did well) , goes well beyond that . It's a.program to develop players, which is totally none existing in the Philippines.
unless that is addressed we will always be at the back foot of tournaments.aa we simply don't have developed.players at our disposal to consistently win at this level.

[Kaireem]

Just listen to Norman Blacks WC takeaways on what need to change in how we develop, 1st who do we pick to develop? And what skills to focus on for these tall playes

don't get me wrong, it's not tournament coaching ( which this team did well) , goes well beyond that . It's a.program to develop players, which is totally none existing in the Philippines.
unless that is addressed we will always be at the back foot of tournaments.aa we simply don't have developed.players at our disposal to consistently win at this level.

why would I or anyone for that matter even listen to a coach who has never coached a world cup game? why do we easily fall for tricksters like old time coaches trying to sound relevant?

do you really think the sbp doesnt't know that we need tall do everything players at every position? please, you people talk as if the ideal players gilas needs grows on trees in the philippines.

how do we win? we develop our own style using what talent we have at our disposal to offset the prevailing and incumbent styles out there. so elementary, why play your opponent at their own game and pace - counter with something else that they can't handle.

so we have midgets, then why not press from the get go to get easy baskets - train players to sprint every practice to build stamina and resistance. then if the opposing defense is set playout the entire 30 sec shot clock to make the game feel dragging and get the opponent of any rhythm.

the real problem is most fans are ashamed to see the team develop their own style and rather go euro euro euro all the way. lol colonial mentality even in the playing style.

tell me, did anyone see the splash brothers and the warriors coming in 2015?

[ja.he]

why would I or anyone for that matter even listen to a coach who has never coached a world cup game? why do we easily fall for tricksters like old time coaches trying to sound relevant?

do you really think the sbp doesnt't know that we need tall do everything players at every position? please, you people talk as if the ideal players gilas needs grows on trees in the philippines.

how do we win? we develop our own style using what talent we have at our disposal to offset the prevailing and incumbent styles out there. so elementary, why play your opponent at their own game and pace - counter with something else that they can't handle.

so we have midgets, then why not press from the get go to get easy baskets - train players to sprint every practice to build stamina and resistance. then if the opposing defense is set playout the entire 30 sec shot clock to make the game feel dragging and get the opponent of any rhythm.

the real problem is most fans are ashamed to see the team develop their own style and rather go euro euro euro all the way. lol colonial mentality even in the playing style.

tell me, did anyone see the splash brothers and the warriors coming in 2015?

DDO and Triangle are not unique to the Filipinos. DDO originated from Vance Wahlberg, an American while Triangle originated from Tex Winter, another American. The style of play that PBA coaches has been using are not unique in the Philippines. Mind you, these offenses also need certain personnels for these to work.

[DAdmiral]

It's a common thought for people with a perspective of inside looking out, the thing is there is really no secret on what the blue print for succesful programs are, there is really no need to reinvent the wheel.

Don't need to spell jt out, it's certainly not what the Philippines has been doing for generations. One simply needs to look at Japan's improvement over last 5 years ( Japan BTW is also vertically challenged ).
the proven Bliueprint is not a Euro thing or western thing or anything in reference to a style. Nothing unique with our style at all, nada. . .
it's simply a development approach of expsoing teenagers like Luka , Rubio etc vs pro clubs and adults and giving them that exposure vs legit size and better players. (Not rocket science). The more High school kids you have with good height exposed to that level, the higher volume are your chances of producing div1 and Euro academy prospects, and players who gain thst major league experience .

What Norman is saying isn't unique it's similar to what Tab says and every WC coach who's won.

Quite simply we are not producing the same volume of elite level FIBA players ar the rate others are (period). And not suprising why, cause othes are.simply expoaed to better competition at development years ( period). Teams that improved have more playes who are exposed at youth to regular legit size and talent regularly.

we're training our high school players to win vs 6 foot centers , with hope they can be good UAAP players and maybe make PBA. IF that's the focus you get what you target , while other HS players are trying to.make the NBA, totally different skills set.and requirement.
Name me a top 20 team.not named US or Spain where majority of NT players play in their domestic league. ? Wala...

thats a total myth that we have or any. Nation has a specific unique style that makes them better , there is.simply effective basketball and there is NOT effective basketball (and we.fall under the latter) proven by results