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  • #166
    @zairex

    Who would U put to defend a 6-foot-7 wingman of the opponent, a 6-foot-3 Dwight Ramos or a 6-foot-5 Dwight Ramos? (Again that's with the notion that the 6-foot-3 & 6-foot-5 Dwight posses equal skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q.)

    Please tell me that a 2-inch height difference hardly matters. Common sense bro.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • #167
      Originally posted by IPC View Post
      Defense is about positioning and effort, so yeah. Height and length are also crucial too. The best defenders often had good physical tools, whether height, length, speed, strength, or a combination. Gabe was one.

      Ping was undersized, but he had quickness, effort, good positioning, and strength. He had the ability to switch. Those attributes compensated for his lack of height. These kinds of guys are usually the exception.

      And I did say too short and/or slow to rotate, so height was a factor. Navarro helped bother the taller Korean shooters. He had the height and length to go with that defensive ability. Height and length can be a big boost, especially when you're positioned right and you time your rotations well.
      Now I wonder if Pingris being 2 inches shorter would have been that effective? I say a 6-foot-2 Pingris would not have been even considered in the Gilas pool at all. Again, I'm referring to 6-foot-2 version of Pingris possessing the same skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q. as a 6-foot-4 Pingris.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • #168
        Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        Now I wonder if Pingris being 2 inches shorter would have been that effective? I say a 6-foot-2 Pingris would not have been even considered in the Gilas pool at all. Again, I'm referring to 6-foot-2 version of Pingris possessing the same skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q. as a 6-foot-4 Pingris.
        Yes he might not have. Ping was what 6'3, 6'4? He was already undersized as PF. At 6'1, 6'2 he would have been too undersized. It is different if he had shooting and dribbling skills. He wouldve been like an Abueva. But internationally Abueva is more an SF than a PF. A 6'2 Ping with his offensive skills would not have made Gilas.

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        • #169
          Height I feel would affect more weight and strength but wingspans and athleticism are different factors. For defense being strong is important especially if undersized to help not get abused by taller defenders and be able to play physical to bother opponents. With length and athleticism it’s useful for dictating the ceiling on defense. Jokic for example is a good rim protector despite his athletic limitations but, he’s still limited in what he can do and can’t defend the rim like a Rudy Gobert. His IQ and positioning make up for it but he will never be a DPOY candidate even with how high his IQ is.

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          • #170
            Originally posted by robert0326
            While 6'4 or much taller Abueva will be a mainstay for Gilas until now..
            A taller skilled player will always be better than a shorter skilled player...Basketball is still a tall mans game ...The Spudd Webbs and Mugsy Bogues of the world are exception than the rule....Had Iverson been 6-6 ,he could have the the greatest scorer in the NBA...Had Junmar stand 6-6 ge could not have won any PBA MVP...

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            • #171
              Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              @zairex

              Who would U put to defend a 6-foot-7 wingman of the opponent, a 6-foot-3 Dwight Ramos or a 6-foot-5 Dwight Ramos? (Again that's with the notion that the 6-foot-3 & 6-foot-5 Dwight posses equal skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q.)

              Please tell me that a 2-inch height difference hardly matters. Common sense bro.
              I will put prime abueva. Defensive skills, timing and motor. He will be a better defender than Dwight at just 6'1"

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              • #172
                as JBL always say, a good big men always beats a good little men in a fight.

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                • #173
                  I guess we can parade a midget ball if Height is not a factor. Maybe an Abueva, Corpuz Frontline can easily beat a Fajardo, Tautuaa lineup just beacuse they have more motor and skilled. Haha

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                  • #174
                    I'd pick Gabe over Abueva as far defence is concerned. While Abueva is miles ahead on offence, Gabe is used to defending the best perimeter players around. Abueva has trouble keeping up laterally and depending on his mood loses his focus on defence. He's strong, has a quick second jump and has a great motor but not really particularly quick and agile.

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                    • #175
                      Originally posted by robert0326
                      While 6'4 or much taller Abueva will be a mainstay for Gilas until now..
                      Well, Abueva has better handles than Pingris & somehow can hit those occasional 3's from time to time. Abueva is a natural small forward while Pingris is a natural 4 who has very limited range in his shot. Ping even hardly takes those 15 to 17-foot mid-range jumpers.

                      So I say a 6-foot-2 version of Pingris would have been an average PBA player & won't even be considered as a Gilas prospect.
                      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                      • #176
                        Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
                        I'd pick Gabe over Abueva as far defence is concerned. While Abueva is miles ahead on offence, Gabe is used to defending the best perimeter players around. Abueva has trouble keeping up laterally and depending on his mood loses his focus on defence. He's strong, has a quick second jump and has a great motor but not really particularly quick and agile.
                        Very much agree on this.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • #177
                          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          Well, Abueva has better handles than Pingris & somehow can hit those occasional 3's from time to time. Abueva is a natural small forward while Pingris is a natural 4 who has very limited range in his shot. Ping even hardly takes those 15 to 17-foot mid-range jumpers.

                          So I say a 6-foot-2 version of Pingris would have been an average PBA player & won't even be considered as a Gilas prospect.
                          6'2 pingris is basically Alvin Teng right?

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                          • #178
                            Originally posted by zairex View Post
                            I will put prime abueva. Defensive skills, timing and motor. He will be a better defender than Dwight at just 6'1"
                            You'll put a prime Abueva to defend 6-7 Hyunjung Lee of Korea?

                            Good luck with that bro
                            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                            • #179
                              Originally posted by CoJ View Post
                              6'2 pingris is basically Alvin Teng right?
                              Alvin Teng is at least 6-foot-3. Teng wasn't as athletic & as mobile as Pingris.
                              Besides, Teng played in a generation where PBA power fowards were mostly 6-3 to 6-4 & centers were 6-5 & 6-6. PBA big men have become bigger/taller now.

                              Teng was also known aa a tenacious defender, but he defended old school big men who are the back-to-the-basket types of bigs. I don't think Teng would be able to keep in step with the new generation fours who are usually the facing-the-basket types & can hit from the 3-point range. Pingris on the other hand was mobile enough to defend stretch-fours
                              Last edited by JAMSKIE; 06-12-2022, 10:54 AM.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • #180
                                Ouch. RK Ilagan from hero to zero. Painful loss for Converge. Panalo na naging bato pa.

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