47th PBA Season (Philippine Cup, Commissioner’s Cup & Governor’s Cup)

[jasper222]

I don’t know with you guys but the game was just ok. Yes there are a few questionable calls but where have you seen a game without it right? I’ll just comment in terms of eye test.. during the final stretch of the game, despite a bad shooting night for ginebra, you could see their determination and will to win the game ESPECIALLY BROWNLEE!!! That 4th quarter performance of brownlee was incredible. And the crowd was really into the heat of the moment for ginebra and sadly BAD didn’t respond well plus the untimely injury to nicholson. Ganun lang kasimple. I do understand the sentiments of powell and hankley but looking at it, ginebra just gutted out all they can to win the game at the end..

I admit I only watched the highlights, but those few questionable calls are impactful in the sense that basketball is a game of momentum in the Philippines. Mess the opposing teams rhythm up and you have an advantage. Regardless of how fair the calls are compared to Chinese and Korean referees, the PBA is not an influential organization anymore outside of our shores. If Bay Area has something to say then it will spread through word of mouth. If we risk that just for a petty win on our own soil, I fear for the PBA in the future.

Besides any veteran PBA fan will tell you that this series will last 7 games. That's how Kume has always done it since he sat down.

[Sikatrix]

They still need eyeballs. If those eyeballs exponentially decrease then the other gentlemen in the club not named Ginebra might lose interest. MVP did not bankroll the Gilas project off of goodwill.



I'm seeing more excitement in the league Kyt Jimenez is playing in, and at the collegiate levels, despite the lower level of play. If the PBA doesn't turn around now, we will lose that highest level of play in the country in more ways than one, and we will be stuck at our current level or degrade lower, and the Gilas program will evolve into nothing more than a mercenary recruitment agency, more than it is now.

The PSL? No way that league is real competition for the PBA. If anything that league is friendly with the PBA.

[jasper222]

The PSL? No way that league is real competition for the PBA. If anything that league is friendly with the PBA.

There are no friendships in business. If the PSL or even MPLB gets bigger comparable to the PBA, there will be friction. We all know this deep down.

[CoJ]

As long as Ramon Ang/SMC is in the PBA, the PBA will continue to exist. Time and again it has been proven that the Lopezes, MPIC/MVP, Pacquiao and even the benefactors of MPBL cant overspend like how SMC had poured money in the league

[hmbopbaduwap]

As long as Ramon Ang/SMC is in the PBA, the PBA will continue to exist. Time and again it has been proven that the Lopezes, MPIC/MVP, Pacquiao and even the benefactors of MPBL cant overspend like how SMC had poured money in the league

6:30 mark, Norman Black: "Most teams in the PBA they budget for winning, San Miguel they budget for grand slams, they dont budget for winning, they wanna win every conference. It's that way now and It was that way back in those days."

[Sikatrix]

There are no friendships in business. If the PSL or even MPLB gets bigger comparable to the PBA, there will be friction. We all know this deep down.

PSL and MPBL dont have the funding/tv contracts to compete with the PBA. Quit the copium.

[CoJ]

As long as the PBA has a TV deal the PBA itself as an entity (not the teams) will survive, gate receipts and ticket sales are chump change compared to advertising placements. The PBA can agree to lock in contracts with any arena to play in an empty gym all year long and they'll still make money.

Yep that tv deal is a gold mine, considering that traditional tv is still the main platform of entertainment in the country and there is only one channel left to compete with TV5-ABS CBN, heck PBA games is actually a good lead in to ABS CBN programing, prior the franchise non-renewal, PBA's competition is not sports but those soap operas (specifically Ang Probinsyano since it caters to the same demographic as the PBA).

Just to add, as long as SMC Group and MVP Group see how valuable investing in basketball is the PBA will exist no matter what. The difference between the PBA and other leagues like the MPBL is not only the warchest of the respective companies behind the teams but the motivation of the team owners in investing in a basketball team to begin with. If your goal is to buy a team to make money following the NBA model then good luck with that since that model won't work in the Philippines as of yet.

this is also the reason why PBA teams rarely invests on their merchandize, that could have been an additional revenue stream for the league.

6:30 mark, Norman Black: "Most teams in the PBA they budget for winning, San Miguel they budget for grand slams, they dont budget for winning, they wanna win every conference. It's that way now and It was that way back in those days."

This somehow makes me wonder if the expenses for operating PBA franchises are disclosed to SMC shareholders

PSL and MPBL dont have the funding/tv contracts to compete with the PBA. Quit the copium.

MBA back in the day was a threat to the PBA because they were given funding by the Lopezes, but yeah, when it became too costly, they pulled the plug and he league folder afterwards. Meanwhile Pacquiao's MPBL has been plagued with issues that teams having difficulty in their payroll. While team owners in the PSL are just minor players compared to SMC and MPIC. PBA has been a institution for more than 40 years, i dont see it being dethroned by any startup league anytime soon. there's a reason why the league lasted that long despite numerous economic turmoil, from EDSA 1, Asian Financial Crisis etc.


Probably the only threat that could check the PBA/SMC and MPIC would be Pineda and his seemingly infinite wealth.

Sorry guys for the essay

[Rds]

I admit I only watched the highlights, but those few questionable calls are impactful in the sense that basketball is a game of momentum in the Philippines. Mess the opposing teams rhythm up and you have an advantage. Regardless of how fair the calls are compared to Chinese and Korean referees, the PBA is not an influential organization anymore outside of our shores. If Bay Area has something to say then it will spread through word of mouth. If we risk that just for a petty win on our own soil, I fear for the PBA in the future.

Besides any veteran PBA fan will tell you that this series will last 7 games. That's how Kume has always done it since he sat down.

Yes I dont remember when this style of alternating "homecourt" calls started in the PBA. As a child I remember my elders complaining how "dirty" the Jawo era Gins were. Later I understood that we like underdogs and the only way the Jawo and Loyzagas of that time could keep up with Patrimonio, Condinera and Pumaren was for the refs to favor their physicality. I stopped watching and missed the Cagiuoa/Yap era. When I started watching again I noticed the propensity of the sister teams reaching game 7. Later I noticed the alternating "homecourt" calls style. One example is Ian Sanggalang defending Junemar one on one. There is no way that Ian coukd defend prime JMF one one one. But he did, and Mags won some games against SMB as a result. JMF never complains but it is likely he absorbed extra physical plays from Ian with no calls during Maga "homecourt" games.

[PaulLee3]

First PBA Series na napanuod ko. Nung panahon players were still acquired via drafting and fair trades. Sunkist was my first PBA team. They almost won the grandslam in 1995 natalo lang sa Governor's Cup. Asaytono wanted to be the main man again that's why Sunkist traded him to San Miguel in 1996 for Ato Agustin. Alaska won the grandslam in 1996. Sunkist always got Alaska's numbers in the semis and finals. a short and good rivalry" Back when Derrick Pumaren was a good coach".

[PaulLee3]

[CoJ]

First PBA Series na napanuod ko. Nung panahon players were still acquired via drafting and fair trades. Sunkist was my first PBA team. They almost won the grandslam in 1995 natalo lang sa Governor's Cup. Asaytono wanted to be the main man again that's why Sunkist traded him to San Miguel in 1996 for Ato Agustin. Alaska won the grandslam in 1996. Sunkist always got Alaska's numbers in the semis and finals. a short and good rivalry" Back when Derrick Pumaren was a good coach".

God I miss this era, though this was the time when the PBA didnt commit to FIBA/ABC

[IPC]

I haven't liked SMB's role player moves in a while. I don't count guys like Jericho Cruz as one as they are complete players who would be starters on another team. But they have been disappointing in their moves for the designated shooter role. Von Pessumal slowly became unusable for them. Although he is a good shooter he doesn't play good enough defense or can he drive the ball well. All of their shooters, even Zamar who could drive a bit, have either defense or driving abilities. Bulanadi doesn't seem to be a good defender nor is he a particularly good driver. What they actually need is size on the wings. Marcio is still their longest wing but he has lost a step in defense. Perez is their best perimeter defender but he is not long enough to defend the bigger wings or even wing imports. A guy like Tyrus Hill would have been a better move. But I don't have any expectations with Coach Leo. For the most part he has not been the creative team builder in his SMB stint.

They need long wings and tweeners. Just put into account the jump between Marcio and Brondial/Manuel. That?s a gaping hole in terms of team structure is concerned.

Yes. While GSM has Malonzo and Gray to throw at taller wings, SMB only has "old" Marcio and undersized Perez to throw at guys like Brownlee.

They should get at least the likes of De la Rosa, if they can?t get their hands on the Northport guys Tolentino and Navarro. That should suffice in a PBA setting.

That's what SMB's been neglecting since Arwind left. Taller wings and tweeners who are also mobile and versatile on defense. They've just been relying on constructing the most talented roster, and it's worked for the past 6 out of 8 All-Filipino Cups. Import conferences, different story, but who cares when you win the most prestigious conference?

Actually, that's true for most of Philippine basketball. Development and recruitment of tall wings and tweeners is urusally neglected in favor of guards, and also bigs who can do dirty work and rebound.

Note for Navarro: Hope he still gets a go overseas. He had a promising start before he tore his ACL.

[zairex]

I admit I only watched the highlights, but those few questionable calls are impactful in the sense that basketball is a game of momentum in the Philippines. Mess the opposing teams rhythm up and you have an advantage. Regardless of how fair the calls are compared to Chinese and Korean referees, the PBA is not an influential organization anymore outside of our shores. If Bay Area has something to say then it will spread through word of mouth. If we risk that just for a petty win on our own soil, I fear for the PBA in the future.

Besides any veteran PBA fan will tell you that this series will last 7 games. That's how Kume has always done it since he sat down.

And if it doesn't go Game 7. What the script now?

[jasper222]

And if it doesn't go Game 7. What the script now?

That will only happen if Bay Area protests by not playing properly or the reverse, which is Bay Area playing to their potential and sweeping Ginebra 3 games. Even Rds corroborates my post. I don't hate the PBA, I hate the people running it.

PSL and MPBL dont have the funding/tv contracts to compete with the PBA. Quit the copium.

There's no copium happening. It's an IF, since the PBA is essentially an oligopoly. That's why the concept of farm teams exist in the PBA.

[zairex]

That will only happen if Bay Area protests by not playing properly or the reverse, which is Bay Area playing to their potential and sweeping Ginebra 3 games. Even Rds corroborates my post. I don't hate the PBA, I hate the people running it.



There's no copium happening. It's an IF, since the PBA is essentially an oligopoly. That's why the concept of farm teams exist in the PBA.

So how is Kume controlling the series and making sure game 7