Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[mathematicianrcg]

Yeah.

All of us here are fans of Kai (Maybe even Cocoy)

No need to throw stones at each other.

Hence, hope this new theead became LESS TOXIC.

There will always be some toxicity in eveey thread

Sa Caelum Harris thread nga, it is starting to a become a little toxic. Lol. Make me regret a little creating a thread for him. Lol

[CoJ]

Seems impossible. He's already been paid as a professional. He also probably wasn't eligible even prior to the Ignite contract. Unless massive rule changes in the NCAA occur, this is bull.

actually naguguluhan ako sa NCAA eligibility rules for instance, Domantas Sabonis played for Unicaja Malaga and Zibina Zagreb prior to joining Gonzaga University, I hope someone can shed light on this

https://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/future/amateurism

Amateurism
The NCAA promotes amateurism to create a level playing field for all student-athletes. The young men and women who compete in college sports are students first, athletes second. If you want to compete in NCAA sports at a Division I school you must be an amateur athlete.

edit: was able to find this guidelines from the NCAA website

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/ECMIP/Amateurism_Certification/Payment_from_team.pdf

Payment from Sports Team
Prospective student-athletes may accept compensation from their club team while in high school,
provided payments do not exceed costs for the individual to participate on the team. However, after
full-time enrollment at a collegiate institution, student-athletes may not play on or accept
compensation or expenses of any kind from a professional team.
What is a “professional team”?
The NCAA defines a professional team as a team that does at least one the following:
• Declares itself to be a professional team; or
• Pays at least one of its players above actual and necessary expenses.
Before accepting any payments from a sports team, check with the athletics compliance office at the NCAA
school recruiting you. If payments are accepted, the Eligibility Center encourages you to keep receipts and
records of all out-of-pocket expenses related to your participation on the team.
What are “actual and necessary expenses”?
The NCAA defines actual and necessary expenses as:
• Meals.
• Lodging.
• Apparel, equipment and supplies.
• Coaching and instruction.
• Health/medical insurance.
• Transportation.
• Medical treatment and physical therapy.
• Facility usage.
• Entry fees.
• Other reasonable expenses.
Important considerations
• Actual and necessary expenses may be provided only if such expenses are for competition on a team or in a specific
event or for practice that is directly related to such competition.
• The value of such expenses must be commensurate with the fair market value of similar goods and services in the
locale in which the expenses are provided and must not be excessive in nature.
• Actual and necessary expenses may not include the expenses or fees of anyone other than the individual who
participates as a member of the team or in a specific event.
Certifying Professional Team Legislation Compliance
The Eligibility Center requires the following to certify compliance of professional team legislation:
• A copy of all documents you and/or your parents signed with the club or team regarding your participation;
• The amount you were paid (each month and total) in the currency in which it was received;
• A list of all expenses (e.g., lodging, meals) the club provided you at no cost; and
• A list of all out-of-pocket expenses tied to your participation on the team.

[ja.he]

I say in case Kai gets undrafted, then let us not put too much fuss into it. To be drafted is one thing, but to get a contract from an NBA team & play in the NBA for lets say 5 to 7 years is another thing. I'm not saying getting drafted in the NBA isn't important. Of course most of us here want Kai to be drafted. But in case he isn't drafted, hope Kai's value as a basketball player & even as a person won't be downgraded by that much. Yung iba kasi dito parang subrang big deal sa kanila yung pagka draft or hindi pagka draft kay Kai Sotto. I feel like Kai's chances of making it to the NBA is being over analyzed by some posters here. Eh halos yung pinag uusapan na lang sa original thread ni Kai Sotto (pinag palit-palit pa nila yung panglan ng thread) eh yung chance ni Kai makapaglaro sa NBA. Puro NBA na lang pinag-usapan sa thread na yun eh. People hardly talked about Kai's stint with Gilas or Kai's future stint in FIBA or FIBA Asia tournaments.

Hope this new thread of Kai Sotto would be spared from toxicity.

Too much NBA as if NBA is the only league in the world. We get it - NBA is the premiere league in the world but there is life also outside NBA.

People putting too much pressure on the kid and his 19 years old his old body. Comparing him to Porzingis, Jokic, Embiid etc - that's not helping him.

Basta ako, makita ko lang maglaro kahit sa Japan B.League o Australia NBL si Kai, masaya na ako para sa kanya (trans: wherever he plays, we will still be happy on him and his basketball career).

[TheNatural7]

actually naguguluhan ako sa NCAA eligibility rules for instance, Domantas Sabonis played for Unicaja Malaga and Zibina Zagreb prior to joining Gonzaga University, I hope someone can shed light on this

https://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/future/amateurism

Amateurism
The NCAA promotes amateurism to create a level playing field for all student-athletes. The young men and women who compete in college sports are students first, athletes second. If you want to compete in NCAA sports at a Division I school you must be an amateur athlete.

edit: was able to find this guidelines from the NCAA website

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/ECMIP/Amateurism_Certification/Payment_from_team.pdf

Payment from Sports Team
Prospective student-athletes may accept compensation from their club team while in high school,
provided payments do not exceed costs for the individual to participate on the team. However, after
full-time enrollment at a collegiate institution, student-athletes may not play on or accept
compensation or expenses of any kind from a professional team.
What is a “professional team”?
The NCAA defines a professional team as a team that does at least one the following:
• Declares itself to be a professional team; or
• Pays at least one of its players above actual and necessary expenses.
Before accepting any payments from a sports team, check with the athletics compliance office at the NCAA
school recruiting you. If payments are accepted, the Eligibility Center encourages you to keep receipts and
records of all out-of-pocket expenses related to your participation on the team.
What are “actual and necessary expenses”?
The NCAA defines actual and necessary expenses as:
• Meals.
• Lodging.
• Apparel, equipment and supplies.
• Coaching and instruction.
• Health/medical insurance.
• Transportation.
• Medical treatment and physical therapy.
• Facility usage.
• Entry fees.
• Other reasonable expenses.
Important considerations
• Actual and necessary expenses may be provided only if such expenses are for competition on a team or in a specific
event or for practice that is directly related to such competition.
• The value of such expenses must be commensurate with the fair market value of similar goods and services in the
locale in which the expenses are provided and must not be excessive in nature.
• Actual and necessary expenses may not include the expenses or fees of anyone other than the individual who
participates as a member of the team or in a specific event.
Certifying Professional Team Legislation Compliance
The Eligibility Center requires the following to certify compliance of professional team legislation:
• A copy of all documents you and/or your parents signed with the club or team regarding your participation;
• The amount you were paid (each month and total) in the currency in which it was received;
• A list of all expenses (e.g., lodging, meals) the club provided you at no cost; and
• A list of all out-of-pocket expenses tied to your participation on the team.

Sabonis didn't receive payment in Europe to maintain NCAA eligibility. Contrast this with Kanter who was ruled ineligible because he received more than the necessary expenses. Payment beyond what is necessary seems like the paramount consideration for Euro to NCAA players. If you get paid beyond what the NCAA deems as necessary expenses for competition, you cannot play in the NCAA. To them, being a professional isn't so much the league you play in, but the payment or compensation received. It will be interesting to see what happens with Dalph since he played for Serie A2, but I think it's probably connected to Stella Azzurra and he's probably eligible.

So, if my interpretation is correct, a kid can play professionally as long as he doesn't have a professional's compensation or he doesn't receive more than what is necessary for competition.

[JAMSKIE]

I like this new thread becoz from the title pa lang "Kai Sotto's Thread", its very generic. Meaning you can talk everything about Kai Sotto. Hindi lang Kai Sotto & his NBA dream, blah blah blah.

Eh sa kabilang thread na yun eh, when you talk about Kai Sotto's stint with Gilas or Kai's standing in Asian basketball or Kai's possible future match-up with Zhou Qi or Hadadi eh you will almost sound foreign at walang papansin sayo. That's becoz everybody is busy arguing about Kai Sotto's future NBA career.

[mathematicianrcg]

Sabonis didn't receive payment in Europe to maintain NCAA eligibility. Contrast this with Kanter who was ruled ineligible because he received more than the necessary expenses. Payment beyond what is necessary seems like the paramount consideration for Euro to NCAA players. If you get paid beyond what the NCAA deems as necessary expenses for competition, you cannot play in the NCAA. To them, being a professional isn't so much the league you play in, but the payment or compensation received. It will be interesting to see what happens with Dalph since he played for Serie A2, but I think it's probably connected to Stella Azzurra and he's probably eligible.

So, if my interpretation is correct, a kid can play professionally as long as he doesn't have a professional's compensation or he doesn't receive more than what is necessary for competition.

Yes. Key word is paid.

Kai is paid already as a pro

[mathematicianrcg]

I like this new thread becoz from the title pa lang "Kai Sotto's Thread", its very generic. Meaning you can talk everything about Kai Sotto. Hindi lang Kai Sotto & his NBA dream, blah blah blah.

Eh sa kabilang thread na yun eh, when you talk about Kai Sotto's stint with Gilas or Kai's standing in Asian basketball or Kai's possible future match-up with Zhou Qi or Hadadi eh you will almost sound foreign at walang papansin sayo. That's becoz everybody is busy arguing about Kai Sotto's future NBA career.

It have 900 Chapters. Let it rest. Lmao. Doest that run for nearly a decade. Lol.

Now, this new thread is being good.

Now, we can see who will be toxic first.

Hopefully none.

Anyway, Hoping Kai is in good condition now. Physically, Mentally, and emotionally

[JAMSKIE]

It have 900 Chapters. Let it rest. Lmao. Doest that run for nearly a decade. Lol.

Now, this new thread is being good.

Now, we can see who will be toxic first.

Hopefully none.

Anyway, Hoping Kai is in good condition now. Physically, Mentally, and emotionally

Whoever is without sin, let him hurl the first toxin!

Just kidding

[CoJ]

Sabonis didn't receive payment in Europe to maintain NCAA eligibility. Contrast this with Kanter who was ruled ineligible because he received more than the necessary expenses. Payment beyond what is necessary seems like the paramount consideration for Euro to NCAA players. If you get paid beyond what the NCAA deems as necessary expenses for competition, you cannot play in the NCAA. To them, being a professional isn't so much the league you play in, but the payment or compensation received. It will be interesting to see what happens with Dalph since he played for Serie A2, but I think it's probably connected to Stella Azzurra and he's probably eligible.

So, if my interpretation is correct, a kid can play professionally as long as he doesn't have a professional's compensation or he doesn't receive more than what is necessary for competition.

Yes. Key word is paid.

Kai is paid already as a pro

thank you for the clarification!!, yeah I guess this would remove the NCAA stint as part of the option (saka wasn't Ignite created as a alternative to the NCAA?)

[DAdmiral]

People lose their US NCAA eligibility by merely playing against pros and accepting inappropriate benefits, in Kai's case he's blatantly a pro receiving compensation exceeding normal expenses playing against pros.
As to UAAP, players for example in the NZ NBL needed to get approval letters that they would not get any compensation to keep their UAAP eligibility.
Again Kai's Ignite arrangments clearly violates this
condition
The NZ NBL is a semi pro league, so one can keep amateur status if they submit a declaration that they're not receiving compensation above what covers living expenses. In, Kai's case with Ignite this does not seem to be the case, it is obvious the expenses of his parents are covered because of his basketball. A clear violation of US NCAA rules

[tomcat]

Kai Sotto will make history as the first player who will redshirt as a member of one-year development program for elite National Basketball Association (NBA) prospects.

[Sikatrix]

Yeah.

All of us here are fans of Kai (Maybe even Cocoy)

No need to throw stones at each other.

Hence, hope this new theead became LESS TOXIC.

There will always be some toxicity in eveey thread

Sa Caelum Harris thread nga, it is starting to a become a little toxic. Lol. Make me regret a little creating a thread for him. Lol

We can call out who is getting toxic in that thread hahaha. I think he is here. But personally, relax. Just allow the kids to be the players they will be. We are nobodies to them. I hate it when someone like Snow tells Kai what he needs to do to become a better basketball player. As if he doesnt have NBA quality coaching. Much more posters in this forum like you and me.

[thatweirdguy]

thank you for the clarification!!, yeah I guess this would remove the NCAA stint as part of the option (saka wasn't Ignite created as a alternative to the NCAA?)

Just I suspect. So he's down to limited options if he never comes back to Ignite.

[Sikatrix]

People lose their US NCAA eligibility by merely playing against pros and accepting inappropriate benefits, in Kai's case he's blatantly a pro receiving compensation playing against pros.
As to UAAP, players for example in the NZ NBL needed to get approval letters that they would not get any compensation to keep their UAAP eligibility.
Again Kai's Ignite arrangments clearly violates this condition

No way the UAAP board allows Kai back. They wouldnt even allow 1GDL back much more Kai.

[Sikatrix]

Just I suspect. So he's down to limited options if he never comes back to Ignite.

He has a ton of international options considering the eyes on the kid. As well as maybe another stint at the G League, whether with Ingite or another team. I wonder though, part of NBA scouting is talking to coaches and I wonder is Shaw will give Kai a good word.