Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[NOiNU]

You guys are getting too worked up over a less than 10 minute outing..

Ahahaha Spot on! That’s what happens when people are so keen on justifying their opinions. Both are egomaniacs who happened to be on the opposite sides.

[asero]

Ahahaha Spot on! That’s what happens when people are so keen on justifying their opinions. Both are egomaniacs who happened to be on the opposite sides.

So what made you think he will be play 20 minutes?

[PeeZones]

So the playing minutes averages should reflect that , it's that simple

Nakakatawa ka talaga.haha so mas paniniwalaan ka over ADL and coach?haha di naman kami nagexpect main man minutes si kai.haha tsaka galing yan injury and rookie expected yan na may minute restriction pero sabihin behind bairstow.haha anu bang kaya ni bairstow na di kaya ni kai? Lamang in all aspect si kai kay bairstow isama mu pa lahat ng NZ players.haha

Always sinasabi ng taga ADL significant and big piece si kai then garbage minutes.haha your trail of misfire is ALL IBN ATG level.lol

Yang Dieng nga na highest daw kuno sa mga prospect kung nandiyan si Abercrombie for sure ang minutes niyan wala na. He is utterly useless and doesnt have any impact sobra ka pa namang hype.haha

[NOiNU]

I saw the play Kai running slow on transition defense. The guard had to pick up on D the opposing big in the paint. Kai had to pick up the opposing guard and fouled him attempting a 3-point shot.

Its one of the many things Kai has to improve including close-outs in the perimeter where he gave up two triples in back-to-back possessions.

It’d take time to unlearn the things he are used to such as manning the paint. He is against natural tendencies and muscle memory. Now that he knows he needs to be ready to closeout hard and fast, he can put himself in a position where he can do so. Good thing he experiences these things early and in a real, professional setting. He would know what it takes exactly to be a good overall defender and not just a rim protector.

[PeeZones]

That’s classic Analyzed hehe. eh playing minutes average when Kai has just played his first game. Actually, the kind of burn kai got was just right, considering that he just recovered from an injury.

yes, I was also satisfied with that minutes for his first game. The aim is to go the NBA and not to make unnecessary risk and workload for a rookie. A lot of NBA lottery picks doesn't even play a lot of minutes during their first year. Teams usually treat them as rookies same with what NBL teams treat their young players. Ito lang mga kabaro ni Analyze ang expectation di pinagiisipan.haha Ito naman si Analyze puro degrade kahit sobra ng twisted mga linyada. Puro naman bano yang mga NZ players wala ngang recent na possible ma NBA. Si Analyze kuntodo hype and defend outcast naman sa NZ then dito sobrang mangdegrade sa pinoy.

[DAdmiral]

Its not a No no in NBA. Like Utah allows middle penetration because of Rudy G. and they are 4th in defense. Coaching principle's changes based on era, players skills.

On the contrary the NBA even emphasizes no middle drive defense more , as analytics has driven to taking more 3 pt shots , significantly created with having to send help of middle dribble penetration
Principles of shell defense clog the middle are NoW big NO NOs in the perimeter oriented NBA. Offenses in modern NBA actually want defenses to collapse and help to open up their 3 point shooters. Teams now hunt to take 3 point shots using middle drive to draw help defense .
The Jazz defense was exposed by the Clippers in the playoffs , relegating Gobert a defensive anchor into a defensive liability
here is a good read on it

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/06/rudy-gobert-jazz-clippers-game-6-defense

A minus 24 when on the court "he’s a rim protector, not a defender.
This is certainly a lesson in the limitations of a rim protector like Gobert, but it also shows how important keeping paint penetration to a minimum is."

Sounds familiar

[DAdmiral]

in terms of effectiveness and proficiency of the 36ers defense, this is the order of ranking of 5/ 4. combinations from best to worst combination

1. Humphries (center) and Bairstow ( PF)
2. Humphries (center) and Withers (PF)
3. Humphries (center) and Johnson (PF) these are the starters
4. Kai (center and Barstow (PF)
5. Johnson (center) and Bairstow (PF)
6. Kai (center) and Johnson (PF)

* kai and Humphries have never played together

Player combination Defensive proficiency is an actual metric, expressed in pts allowed per possession and per defensive minutes.

just to add , the reserve wings (King and Dech) who normally are in when Kai as a reserve enters are actually better defenders than Hannah the starting SG.

disclaimer : this is just for the NBL and NBA context, for FIBA obviously Kai is still Gilas best backup center offensively and defensively

[DAdmiral]

Coaches defensive instructions

one might be wondering so what instructions should Kai be told when a defender drives to the side (not middle ) against his primary defender ? Coaches will tell you, DO NOT over commit help and go for the block as you will be put out of position . If driver makes a contested 2 pts shot over his primary defender , so be it. (that shot BTW would have not gone in) .
Kai's job as a defender is 1 to rim protect the middle ( not contest sides that are already covered ) and to close out on his opposing center (assuming he is a shooter) . mali yung ginawa ni Kai to go for a block from a drive on the side that was already contested. " team defense , hindi puro talon going for blocks and getting out of position, (Kai is often out of position defensively and late in reaction, something he needs to improve)

[The_Big_Cat]

So what made you think he will be play 20 minutes?

I think the only way Kai can move up in the rotation among the bigs is either thru inury or one of them retires.

Honestly Kai does not yet possess the physicality, experience to move up the rotation. And also he needs more floor time to develop.

[DAdmiral]

I'm not sure any of the "official" next stars even play more than 20 min, ( and next stars have league commitment for exposure) .
Kai an SRP , PT expectations are more like a good development player.. Do not dismiss the assistant coach assessment of 5 to 10 minutes tops ( pag tambak na)

[mathematicianrcg]

one might be wondering so what instructions should Kai be told when a defender drives to the side (not middle ) against his primary defender ? Coaches will tell you, DO NOT over commit help and go for the block as you will be put out of position . If driver makes a contested 2 pts shot over his primary defender , so be it. (that shot BTW would have not gone in) .
Kai's job as a defender is 1 to rim protect the middle ( not contest sides that are already covered ) and to close out on his opposing center (assuming he is a shooter) . mali yung ginawa ni Kai to go for a block from a drive on the side that was already contested. " team defense , hindi puro talon going for blocks and getting out of position, (Kai is often out of position defensively and late in reaction, something he needs to improve)

Huh???

So Kai will only be allowed to help d in the middle?

In the sides, I agree if it is really contested already, but if it is not, Kai should help to Rim protect it whether it is in middle or sides. You dont want to give open layups just to prevent a kickout 3.

[DAdmiral]

Huh???

So Kai will only be allowed to help d in the middle?

In the sides, I agree if it is really contested already, but if it is not, Kai should help to Rim protect it whether it is in middle or sides. You dont want to give open layups just to prevent a kickout 3.

The premise is the 2 point FG attempt at the side is already contested, (not free layups LOL)

It's drop coverage or close out on your opposing center.
That is why it's called team defense
Another thing, you do not jump and try to block jump shooters , you just contest hopefully without even jumping, why? If he misses as a big you need to be in position to rebound and if the driver decides to drop pass as the center contest, your not out of position to defend the opposing big.
Sending help and big going for blocks for already contested side drives is a Bobo move

[The_Big_Cat]

Fouling the 3pt shooter is a big "NO NO" in any league. This time Kai commited the foul on Jarrod Kenny who is not known for his three point shooting, was a terrible foul.

Rewatched the action and Kai really lacks intensity in his game. Runs back on defence so casually, last man back and last man up on offense.

There really is a stark contrast in playing intensity between Kai and Next Star Ariel Hukporti.

Kai looks lazy and Hukporti plays with high energy and always sprints down the floor.

This was the same reviews on Kai when he was still in the US. Lack of aggressiveness. Not a high-activity big man. Running without urgency. He needs to be relentless and a high activity big man especially on defense in todays game.

[DAdmiral]

Serious question though , assuming Kai is more active and intense , how long can he sustain that activity level per period ? can he realistically sustain 5 min straight high motor ? is this realistic given his obvious stamina issues. the other thing is, his reaction time is slow.. I think Kai really needs to work on the detail (early work) to be always in position to compensate for his lack of motor

[mathematicianrcg]

The premise is the 2 point FG attempt at the side is already contested, (not free layups LOL)

It's drop coverage or close out on your opposing center.
That is why it's called team defense
Another thing, you do not jump and try to block jump shooters , you just contest hopefully without even jumping, why? If he misses as a big you need to be in position to rebound and if the driver decides to drop pass as the center contest, your not out of position to defend the opposing big.
Sending help and big going for blocks for already contested side drives is a Bobo move

Ok fair.

But still, I appreciate that Kai have a sense of helping defense now. I remembered in the past that Kai is being critizised because he doesn't help.

At least now, it is just the timing and decision where and when to help.

And yes, as even you said, Kai is the best 1 on 1 Blocker/Rim Protector of adelaide cause of his height and length.

As for PNR defense. It is actually improved than when it used to be. But ofc, it can definitely be improve more.

Hope Kai plays in 28th so we can have a couple of games assesment.