Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[JAMSKIE]

Yeah, that makes sense. I played pick-up games too when I was younger and an off-the-dribble shot-making does require more skill to successfully execute. So I guess if translated to Kobe, with all his pro-level athleticism and body coordination, catch-and-shoot shouldn't really be too hard for him then.

Still I believe, Kobe taking a catch-and-shoot jumper would be a higher % FG than Kobe creating a shot off the dribble. Kasi yung catch-and-shoot, usually its an open shot eh. On the other hand, an off the dribble jumper is usually a contested shot, hence the player taking the shot sometimes have to take it fading away or must release the shot at the tip of his jump, which means the degree of difficulty of such shot is higher. The higher the degree of difficulty, the less accurate the shot would be.

I remember some years or a decade ago, a glaring weakness of the South Korean guards & wingmen were on creating their shots off the dribble. That was why almost all their shots were catch-and-shoot in which they are very good at. But right now, magaling na sila in creating their shots off the dribble.

[Rodbi]

if I may add, does steve adams count as white?

I think we should, lol. He's more white than Maori with his current looks and he's got a white man's game. Same goes for the Lopez twins.

[DAdmiral]

So your assumption sir Dave is that, Sengun's name was not in the 2021 NBA mock draft for two years(2019 and 2020) because of being an international prospect and for him to be included is for him to declare for NBA draft?

Actually yes, there is verified data to back this up. Seagun was born 2002 (19 years old in 2021 draft). HISTORICALLY. Check the number of international players drafted as 19 years old compared to US 19 year old prospects , the Luka's are really rare.
Mock draft are predictions, so you cannot blame people from predicting against a 19 year old nternational prospect from even entering early. The best international prospects normally enter at around 20 or 21 years old while the best US prospects HISTORICALLY are 19 year olds

[DAdmiral]

if I may add, does steve adams count as white?

In NZ No, he is an islander entnicty (Tonga)as compared to European white.

[tomcat]

Actually yes, there is verified data to back this up. Seagun was born 2002 (19 years old in 2021 draft). HISTORICALLY. Check the number of international players drafted as 19 years old compared to US 19 year old prospects , the Luka's are really rare.
Mock draft are predictions, so you cannot blame people from predicting against a 19 year old nternational prospect from even entering early. The best international prospects normally enter at around 20 or 21 years old while the best US prospects HISTORICALLY are 19 year olds

So why is it that that 2002 born Usman Garuba an international prospect like Alperen Şengün was always in the 2021 NBA mock draft in 2019 and 2020 eventhough he had not declared himself as an early-entry candidates for 2021 NBA Draft?

[PeeZones]

Actually yes, there is verified data to back this up. Seagun was born 2002 (19 years old in 2021 draft). HISTORICALLY. Check the number of international players drafted as 19 years old compared to US 19 year old prospects , the Luka's are really rare.
Mock draft are predictions, so you cannot blame people from predicting against a 19 year old nternational prospect from even entering early. The best international prospects normally enter at around 20 or 21 years old while the best US prospects HISTORICALLY are 19 year olds

Just pure assumption and isnt back by solid data. The only criteria that would matter would be potential and upside. NBA scouts will see good players wherever they are or regardless of their exposure/circumstance. Teams have eyes all over the world.

[Rodbi]

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Still I believe, Kobe taking a catch-and-shoot jumper would be a higher % FG than Kobe creating a shot off the dribble. Kasi yung catch-and-shoot, usually its an open shot eh. On the other hand, an off the dribble jumper is usually a contested shot, hence the player taking the shot sometimes have to take it fading away or must release the shot at the tip of his jump, which means the degree of difficulty of such shot is higher. The higher the degree of difficulty, the less accurate the shot would be.

I remember some years or a decade ago, a glaring weakness of the South Korean guards & wingmen were on creating their shots off the dribble. That was why almost all their shots were catch-and-shoot in which they are very good at. But right now, magaling na sila in creating their shots off the dribble.

Yeah, it's more efficient in terms of energy expenditure. Plus with his lift, any B. League wing local will have a hard time reaching him at his peak jump. He only has to worry about his rhythm that might get disrupted due to the omission of dribbling (some players need it before they take their jumpers).

We had a glimpse of that future S. Korean threat with their NCAA Div. I player.

[thatweirdguy]

I think we should, lol. He's more white than Maori with his current looks and he's got a white man's game. Same goes for the Lopez twins.

Pekovic, Love, the Gasol bros, Lopez bros etc are strong as heck despite not being able to run very fast or jump high. I remember Love setting a record at the combine for the number of bench press he did. I think a good amount of strength is still needed for clearing up space, setting screens, boxing out etc.

[tomcat]

Pekovic, Love, the Gasol bros, Lopez bros etc are strong as heck despite not being able to run very fast or jump high. I remember Love setting a record at the combine for the number of bench press he did. I think a good amount of strength is still needed for clearing up space, setting screens, boxing out etc.

Domantas Sabonis?

[DAdmiral]

So why is it that that 2002 born Usman Garuba an international prospect like Alperen Şengün was always in the 2021 NBA mock draft in 2019 and 2020 eventhough he had not declared himself as an early-entry candidates for 2021 NBA Draft?

Of course there are exceptions, from observations the really top international prospects about 3 a year , enter early at 19 year old but they are the exceptions

https://www.latimes.com/sports/liveblog/nba-draft-2021-live-updates-picks-analysis

Look at the international players selected in 2nd round this year, all (about 6) are 20 and over.

It's quite logical consequence given the different eligibility rules for international vs US draft prospects, the US is 19 years old to be automatically eligible (of course those who leave college), while international eligibility is set at 22 years old.(college does not apply to them)

No this is not assumption as someone is suggesting, it's actually fact , historical fact. We're talking average age here , not the exceptions

Let's not forget why we're talking about this. .Kai unfortunately is classified as a US prospect.. so his automatic eligibility year is different from international prospects. It's a point that actually matters a lot for his chances of being drafted as he loses the development years to be ready that other international prospects have the benefit of

The 5 international bigs all.over 20 yrs.old selected in the 2021 NBA draft to me is a more plausible pathway for Kai.. (if only he was classified as an international prospect)

[PeeZones]

Of course there are exceptions, from observations the really top international prospects about 3 a year , enter early at 19 year old but they are the exceptions

https://www.latimes.com/sports/liveblog/nba-draft-2021-live-updates-picks-analysis

Look at the international players selected in 2nd round this year, all (about 6) are 20 and over.

It's quite logical consequence given the different eligibility rules for international vs US draft prospects, the US is 19 years old to be automatically eligible (of course those who leave college), while international eligibility is set at 22 years old.(college does not apply to them)

No this is not assumption as someone is suggesting, it's actually fact , historical fact. We're talking average age here , not the exceptions

show proof? where is that data so we could scrutinize and check if that was valid or not. If that is your own opinion then that is irrelevant.

I would be suprise if someone would really dwell on such premise and publish it for everyone to check regarding draft prospects.lol

[tomcat]

Can create his own shot and a good off the ball shooter with high release point and elevation on his jumpers..

[DAdmiral]

For every rare Giddey there are 3 or 5 Mojave Kings . The thing is King actually has the option to defer his draft entry until 22 yrs old , if he gets the feelers like last draft that he won't be drafted. (A luxury Kai does not have as a pro US prospect)

When one becomes automatically eligible to enter does matter in affecting draft chances ..

The data (samples) are right there in the link. You of course need to comprehend the difference between the available options for International vs US prospect (especially for US prospect like Kai who do not go to college)

[tomcat]

My take, Alperen Şengün an international prospect last year like Kai was not in the 2021 NBA Draft mock draft not because of not being an early-entry candidate but because his stint with Teksüt Bandırma (2019–2020) was not that impressive(he only averaged 5.0 points, 3.9 rebounds, 0.6 assists, 0.5 steals, and 0.4 blocks per game in 13.5 minutes per game.). After an impressive season with Beşiktaş (2020–2021, averaged 19.2 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.3 steals, and 1.7 blocks in 28.3 minutes per game across 29 games played in the Basketball Super League) it made him worth consideration for a lottery pick in the 2021 NBA Draft. My point is, even a prospect who is not in the top 60 list of the NBA mock draft a year before the actual draft could be a candidate for one of the lottery picks the following year if he'll have an impressive season in a high level basketball league before the actual NBA draft..

[Rodbi]

Can create his own shot and a good off the ball shooter with high release point and elevation on his jumpers..

This guy should've skipped college ball, imo (too bad, it's too late, he's now in the clutches of a certain empire). I think he would have done well in B. League div. 2, maybe even in the div. 1.