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  • Originally posted by jasper222 View Post
    He made a video about Jeff Chan. Since when do Pinoys tune in for a Jeff Chan, no offense. Maybe James Yap.

    He's made a video about Lee Hyunjung. Is he Korean baiting now? Magsitigil nga kayo.





    As mentioned above, probably not the case.

    Philippines by the way is very known for its indie entries in Cannes, so we ARE known for the arts.

    Nothing wrong with being proud about Filipinos doing good things overseas. OFWs are a big part of it, nothing to do with an "ego as a nation" being too fragile. Do you mean to say Sandara Park baited Filipinos into supporting her in her SCQ journey? There's cynicism and then there's self-hate. Parang latter na yung nakikita ko.
    I never mentioned Cannes., I just know friends/acquaintances who would brag about their film fest award from the Czech Republic (jusko)

    a good read regarding hyping and the Filipino's misguided ego: Ambeth Ocampo's Deflating the Historical Ego from Rizal without an overcoat

    Deflating the Historical Ego
    28/3/89

    Jose Rizal is made the model of all students because he was supposed
    to have graduated with a grade of sobresaliente (excellent) in all his subjects.

    Well, I was skeptical enough to visit the Ateneo University Archives in search
    of Rizal's transcript. It was not available, but there was a printed booklet on
    the distribution of prizes for the school year 1876-77.

    Now, Rizal won many prizes, but to my great surprise, I discovered there
    were only 12 students in Rizal's class. Of this 12, nine including Rizal, graduated
    sobresaliente! So what's the big deal about this if there were eight others with
    the same grade? You see, we imagine getting sobresaliente as equivalent to
    being a valedictorian. Hindi pala!

    Rizal did get good grades at the Ateneo, but at the University of Santo Tomas --
    well, let's just say he wasn't as great a student as he's been made out to be.

    Before we go on, I guess you must have heard about the erroneous use of the
    title "Dr." before Rizal's name. For some reason -- perhaps lack of money, time,
    or interest -- Rizal was not able to take the examination which would have qualified
    him for a doctorate. Rizal had a Licentiate in Medicine, and being a medical doctor,
    he was allowed to practice in eh profession. Technically speaking, however,
    he could not carry the academic title "Dr." Shocking, di ba?

    From the great Rizal, let's turn now to a dropout who succeeded without a
    formal degree -- Juan Luna y Novicio.

    The Academia de Dibujo in Manila was run by a mean Spaniard, Agusti Saez,
    who ran against his own students in a contest to find the best cover design for the
    book, Flora de Filipinas. He was bastos, with no delicadeza at all.

    Of course, Saez won, with Felix Resurreccion Hidalgo getting second place.
    But Hidalgo could have won the top prize had his teacher not joined. Luna did
    not even get to join the contest, since he was already out of school by then. If a
    friend like Rizal described Luna's early paintings as "contrary to art," Saez as
    director of the Academy must have thought worse.

    Perhaps Saez wanted the stubborn Luna to conform, to paint like everyone else,
    which is natural in any school which tended to hamper creativity. Things came to
    ahead, and Luna was either dropped out or expelled, depending on which biography
    you are reading.

    After studying under the Filipino painter, Lorenzo Guerrero, Luna left Manila
    for Madrid. At the Real Academia de Bellas Artes de San Fernando, he was
    strongly influenced by his mentor, Alejo Vera. The teacher so impressed him
    that when Vera left Madrid to fulfill some commissions in Rome, Luna left school,
    said goodbyeto the diploma, and apprenticed himself under Vera.

    At the Madrid Exposition of 1884, Luna's huge Spolarium won. Thus, a Filipino
    proved himself in Spain as an "international artist." Unfortunately, this is one other
    thing from school we have yet to unlearn.

    Luna's triumph was far from "international," because Madrid was an artistic
    backwater. The center of the real art scene at the time was Paris. But Luna
    won the gold medal for Spolarium and Felix Resurreccion Hidalgo the silver for
    Virgenes Cristianas Expuestas al Populacho, right? And as in school prizes,
    we think Luna's gold won first prize and Hidalo's silver second.

    Well to shatter a myth further, Luna won one gold medal out of three gold
    medals given out, and Hidalgo won one silver medal out of fifteen given out in
    that Exposition.

    Our teachers oversimplified this and created a myth. Pero, nasaan ba ang
    first and second prize diyan?

    Luna did not even win the grand prize int that Exposition but as consuelo de
    bobo he was commissioned the mural Battle of Lepanto, which now hangs in
    the Spanish Senate in Madrid.

    As you can see, there are quite a number of things taught in school that one
    has to unlearn.

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    • Mythologizing historical fact applies to every country. Like historians say, winners write the history books, and there will always be some embellishment there. Like Wilt's 20k women.

      It's just that there's no reason to say that the foreign-made Kai videos are Pinoy baiting every time. Besides, Pinoy Pride was coined by ABS-CBN, when they started reporting on Filipinos doing things overseas. It's made into a marketing tool, and we either ride with it or get swept along the current.

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      • Originally posted by astigram04
        https://youtu.be/6NuyodX37UE

        Kai's hops in display here. He was also seen to be finishing what seems to be fastbreak dunks. Wish the plays weren't cut that short tho so we could see how he got to the basket. Anyway, at least kai's now playing 5x5
        kai looks physically stronger now. hope We can see him in official 5v5.

        the smith league has scheduled games. Maybe he willl play there

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        • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
          kai looks physically stronger now. hope We can see him in official 5v5.

          the smith league has scheduled games. Maybe he willl play there
          What league is he currently playing at? I hope his conditioning is still good

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          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
            kai looks physically stronger now. hope We can see him in official 5v5.

            the smith league has scheduled games. Maybe he willl play there
            He dunks the ball effortlessly now. I remember about 2 years ago, kailangan pa ni Kai bumwelo para maka dunk. Ngayon parang subrang madali nalang for him to dunk. Kai obviously is agile. For a 7-foot-3, I think he is almost as agile as those European & black players, and he has the skills. Kulang nalang talaga is physical strength.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
              What league is he currently playing at? I hope his conditioning is still good
              It looked to me like these are just pick up games with some pro players.Parang walang gaanong depensa eh. Its really different playing in a pick up game as compared to playing a tournament game like team Ignite's stint in the NBA D-league.
              Last edited by JAMSKIE; 03-21-2021, 06:56 AM.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Originally posted by astigram04
                Compared to wiseman, i think, at this point, he's not far off in terms of athleticism and agility. While in terms of passing, playmaking, footwork, I'd put kai ahead already. Never seen kai put the ball on the floor like i saw wiseman did on one play tho. Plus the body build and motors, Kai's not there yet but maybe in a year or two, he'll be there already. Also, I'd add, Kai's ambidexterity will be a big edge specially once he learns to use that on the defensive end as welll
                Wow! I'm surprised at how he has improved. About your comparison to Wiseman, I definitely agree with it but we need to see Kai play real 5v5 games so we can gauge his abilities accurately against other good bigs similar his age. If in a year or two he will equal if not surpass Wiseman's body build/strength and motor he will surely become an All Star. Please watch the video below for the detailed breakdown of Wiseman's game.

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                • Everyone has already said it he’s dunking the ball effortlessly, he’s catching and finishing lobs showed off a little bit of handle had a nice block. But obviously there are still things that need improving



                  In this version at 3:46 he had to guard a smaller player one on one and got beaten pretty easily. He needs to keep experiencing this more so he can learn how to guard smaller players

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                  • Originally posted by astigram04
                    If i didn't watch and only read letters i might have been sold to "wiseman being by far ahead of kai in terms of skills and athleticism". I saw he can jump, but i didn't see it as described. His shot blocking was also described as terrific. He averaged 1 a game. And i was interested to see the post ups, they showed a couple. I wouldn't even bother comparing that to kai's
                    Why would n't you? Wiseman is the 2ND OVERALL PICK and the footages shown are from REAL NBA games and not from mere pick up games

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                    • Originally posted by astigram04
                      If i didn't watch and only read letters i might have been sold to "wiseman being by far ahead of kai in terms of skills and athleticism". I saw he can jump, but i didn't see it as described. His shot blocking was also described as terrific. He averaged 1 a game. And i was interested to see the post ups, they showed a couple. I wouldn't even bother comparing that to kai's
                      wiseman moves the way he does while being 7footer and being around 250 lbs of what looks like mostly muscle.

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                      • Originally posted by astigram04
                        Ok, i have no problem with that. But does that confirm he is way ahead of kai in terms of athleticism? He has an NBA ready body, and i guess that's what makes him ahead of kai in terms of strength, something which i acknowledged the other day. Also his motors. And his outside shooting. 36.something is pretty impressive for a 7 footer, a rookie at that. But upon watching the "breakdown", noticed that his 3 pt shot is slow. I guess that is why he was taking mostly, if not all, wide open 3. Checked further and saw he only took a fotal of 30 3PFGs. That's in 29 games. He's only taking 3s when wide open, perhaps because of his slow release.
                        I was just pointing out that’s what makes his athleticism and potential impressive. He can run jump the way he does while being maybe 20lbs heavier than Kai. If Kai continues to gain weight is there a guarantee that his run\jump will also improve or stay the same?

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                        • Originally posted by astigram04
                          Compared to wiseman, i think, at this point, he's not far off in terms of athleticism and agility. While in terms of passing, playmaking, footwork, I'd put kai ahead already. Never seen kai put the ball on the floor like i saw wiseman did on one play tho. Plus the body build and motors, Kai's not there yet but maybe in a year or two, he'll be there already. Also, I'd add, Kai's ambidexterity will be a big edge specially once he learns to use that on the defensive end as welll
                          I think i’ll put it this way—wiseman’s edge over kai in terms of athleticism is less than kai’s edge over wiseman in terms of skill and technique. I wish kai will soon have a platform where he can display his improvements.

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                          • Originally posted by astigram04
                            Is kai's jump much higher and quicker than 2 years ago? Is kai heavier today than 2 years ago? I don't know what weight will be kai's best fit but judging from his progress, i dont see him slowing down and losing his hops. He's been gaining weight and improving on his power yet has continued getting quicker and jumping higher
                            Kai's weight is I think almost 240. He is visibly bigger these days and would just continually improve in strength and athleticism as he age. I would also believe he is not far athletically with wiseman at this point and the difference is so minimal than what others would insist here. He dunks with ease as evident with that back to the basket dunk and i'm still wary a bit with his lateral. I also would agree with you that Kai is far more polish offensively than wiseman. To be fair, my concern still these days is his defense and aggressiveness. He should consistently do both defense and offense and put premium more on defense. His offense is almost automatic and wouldn't need much effort specially point blank or 1 to 2 steps near the basket. Kai only needs competitive games against decent competition and he will be okay. I am confident he will be able to adjust but I don't expect him to dominate instantly. Give him 10-20 games and he will get used to it. Others here wont give him that leeway.lol
                            Last edited by PeeZones; 03-21-2021, 02:52 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by astigram04
                              I'll simplify my reply. I disagree.
                              Well that just shows how much you underestimate wiseman and that you are out of touch with how scouts look at prospects.

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                              • Originally posted by astigram04
                                Agreed except that think, if kai joins the draft this year, he'll need a year or two under the team's development program. While his vast offensive arsenal just need polishing, his defence needs more catching up. What i strongly believe tho, in terms of ceiling, kai has a lot more
                                Kai has a higher ceiling and has a lot to offer also on my opinion. Kai is so skilled offensively and cerebral. He needs a team that would use him the right way. Spurs is planning to ditch Aldridge. Kai also needs patience like what OKC is doing with Poku but a year constantly playing in the NBA and Gleague will be great for Kai.

                                If kai would encounter this blowby like this one on KAT, he will be crucified by a lot here.lol This is normal in the NBA. I'll post a vid from FB. Their post also show how they overly underestimate Kai's skill and being a prospect.lol

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