Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[mathematicianrcg]

Bottom line is this , in summary:

Unless there is a different interpretation and application of the CBA rules,

if Kai wanted to enter the draft later (2022 onwards) , he had to either :

Enter a US college and stay as an under classman
or
Join a non- US based team (either amateur/ school or Pro)

Once he signed a contract with a US based pro team he essentially re- classified and entered the draft on the year of his 19th birthday. ( period- unless the CBA rules are interpreted differently )

Interesting. But your first sentence says it all. Depends on interpretation and Application of CBA into Ignite Program.
(WE ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE REAL TERMS OF THAT)

Now, assuming you are right.

So, Nba teams can draft Kai in 2021 regardless if he wants or not.

Making him a FA if he is undrafted. Then teams can sign him (Tacko Fall Route)

Now, in a case where Kai don't want to play for that team who drafted him, the rights still remains to the theam who drafted him.(ANYWAY, SIGURO NAMAN WALA NANG GANITONG SITUATION).


Personally, I have no problem if Kai can make the Nba as an Undrafted player.

We only want one goal. Make Kai as our First Homegrown Nba Player

[ja.he]

afaik, you can get 1 asian player per team. the case of yudai, hiejima, they're are regular imports. they're some asian imports are categorize as developmental player like the chinese player years ago.

next stars program like ferguson, rj hampton.

What are the chances of Kai get an offer down under?

[DAdmiral]

How did they classify LaMelo Ball when he played there?

He's part of the Next star program, basically a competitor of the ignite ( Select program for the 6 prospects) , he does not count for the 3 open imports

Last year for the NZ Breakers

they had 3 open imports : one guy (a big) Ashley is with Ignite now
1 next star program player: RJ Hampton
and 1 Asian Development player: A player from China

[DAdmiral]

Interesting. But your first sentence says it all. Depends on interpretation and Application of CBA into Ignite Program.
(WE ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE REAL TERMS OF THAT)

Now, assuming you are right.

So, Nba teams can draft Kai in 2021 regardless if he wants or not.

Making him a FA if he is undrafted. Then teams can sign him (Tacko Fall Route)

Now, in a case where Kai don't want to play for that team who drafted him, the rights still remains to the theam who drafted him.(ANYWAY, SIGURO NAMAN WALA NANG GANITONG SITUATION).


Personally, I have no problem if Kai can make the Nba as an Undrafted player.

We only want one goal. Make Kai as our First Homegrown Nba Player

Yes that's basically it , the only scenario i can see where the CBA in interpreted differently , is if signed by a US based pro team means sign and played (official game) , but that's overthinking it , and it's not like the NBA via Ignite has incentive to allow for this interpretation. They've invested $ 250k on Kai ( assuming) just letting him decide to go elsewhere ( overseas etc) without NBA teams having an opportunity to either draft or sign him for next season is a wasted investment and in my view a disadvantage for the NBA

[DAdmiral]

So do you mean Kai should join whether he like it or not? What if Kai didn't submit his papers for this year's draft? Is that penalty? I don't think it's gonna happen...

You're missing the point , there is no action ( submit) required to enter a draft . what determines if one is available to be selected by the NBA teams for a draft year is not dependent on the applicant's action , but by his eligibility status , if one is eligible he is automatically entered to be available for teams to select.

Do not confuse with common understanding of normal drafts like the PBA , where one has to submit document requirements to enter draft. It's a different paradigm. For one in the PBA once drafted like Japeth & Burger King) you're committed to signing and playing with the team . In the NBA some of those who are drafted never even sign at all for their whole career with an NBA team. That's why draft dodging in the PBA is a relevant issue, cause essentially if someone like Thrirdy does not join PBA draft but plays in Japan , no PBA team can sign him. this does not apply in the NBA. , cause entering the draft does not equate to having to sign with a team that drafts you

[mathematicianrcg]

Players whose 19th birthday falls during or before the calendar year of the draft, or at least one year removed from the graduation of their high school class, and who do not meet the criteria for "international" players are automatically eligible if they meet any of the following criteria:[21]

They have completed four years of their college eligibility.

If they graduated from high school in the U.S., but did not enroll in a U.S. college or university, four years have passed since their high school class graduated.

They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA, anywhere in the world, and have played under that contract. They also must be released from their contract before they can leave college to go to the NBA

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Those who have reached the minimum eligibility age of 19 and meet the criteria for "international" players are automatically eligible if they meet any of the following criteria:

They are at least 22 during the calendar year of the draft.

They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA within the United States, and have played under that contract.[23]


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CBA defines "international players" for draft purposes as those who meet all of the following criteria:[32]

Permanently reside outside the U.S. for at least three years before the draft while playing basketball outside the U.S.

Have never enrolled in a U.S. college or university.
Did not complete high school in the U.S.

They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA within the United States, and have played under that contract.

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So this is CBA according to wiki.

This is unusual for me. But I think sir analyzed in right in this case.

Kai, according to the definition is not an "Intermational Player" in terms of CBA.

He falls under the first one. And Kai basically have the 3rd requirement (He only need one of 3)

"They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA, anywhere in the world, and have played under that contract. They also must be released from their contract before they can leave college to go to the NBA."

Now, it is the only question of if "and have played under that contract" means official game.

And yes. As far as I know, no need for automatically eligible players to submit papers.

Usually, it is being made by unknown players. But Kai is obviously not unknown.

Nba teams can literally draft any pba player today if they want to. (but of course contract)

[DAdmiral]

^^
That's correct, there is reasons why the CBA rules are as such for the draft different than normal leagues like the PBA, and that is to make the draft rule relevant and applicable for the different pathways ( US College, international players etc)

[crenshaw]

So it means Kai can still skip this year's draft because he's not played any official G-League games.. Yes, he signed but not played yet.. Although Kai's team should fix the contract obligations.. Maybe Kai's team should buy out his G-League contract to fix this problem.. This is what Homer Sayson and Snow Badua didn't know about this one..

No matter what remedy. We cant deny this is a bad start for him. He wouldnt want to be branded as a problem in any locker room sure he is a good kid, but his handlers seem to have poisoned his reputation somewhat.

[Wannabe]

If people are going to act like idiots with the thread title, might as well have a new one.

Really disappointed with what is happening right now. Kai should have gone straight to the Ignite bubble and go through all the tests. If he gets benched then he has to accept that. While it looks like Brian Shaw is not a good coach and his teammates are ballhogs, Kai being missing in action and not having communication, allegedly creates a bad impression among scouts. He has not yet earned the respect from teams and scouts to do what he is doing. He is still a non-entity in the larger NBA scheme of things.

If this thread will be renamed again by whoever is that poster who has access to change thread titles shame on you.

[Dotch]

So do you mean Kai should join whether he like it or not? What if Kai didn't submit his papers for this year's draft? Is that penalty? I don't think it's gonna happen...

Damn son, Analyzed already explained it to a T.....Kai doesn't need to do anything more, NBA Draft is not like the PBA, wherein a prospect applies, Kai is eligible in this year's draft. Tapos!

Sorry, dapat civilized daw in this new thread.

[DAdmiral]

Simple he is already entered (not just eligible),
It's touch move (he signed a contract with a US based pro team). Tapos
No withdrawal.

The only possibility of withdrawal is an exception, (like hasn't played a game, but that's doubtful he will get an exception from the NBA

[The_Big_Cat]

I know Kai is eligible.. What i mean is he can withdraw or what? Or he will join or not? Ewan ko ba sa inyo!!! Too much explanation.. I know that already because even the Fil-Ams coming here are also like that.. But the thing is.. IS HE JOINING THIS YEARS DRAFT? OR HE WILL DECLINED AND JOIN FOR 2022? Di nyo ata na gets ang side ko.. Because what Analyzed explaination is he is already eligible.. That is OK.. But my question is He can decline? He can skip into 2022? That is the question...

Just to add another question to his post.

If Kai declines for 2021 and re-classifies lets say 2022, can he still go to the US NCAA?

And can Kai technically come home and play college ball here? Or he's not eligible anymore.

Thanks to those who will respond.

[Sikatrix]

Just to add another question to his post.

If Kai declines for 2021 and re-classifies lets say 2022, can he still go to the US NCAA?

And can Kai technically come home and play college ball here? Or he's not eligible anymore.

Thanks to those who will respond.

For Kai to reclassify, the NBA has to be nice basically and I have no idea how many bridges Kai has burned with his visit back home. Hopefully none.

[CoJ]

Just to add another question to his post.

If Kai declines for 2021 and re-classifies lets say 2022, can he still go to the US NCAA?

And can Kai technically come home and play college ball here? Or he's not eligible anymore.

Thanks to those who will respond.

i doubt he can still go to US NCAA since it prohibits endorsements (to think that star margarine commercial cost Kai the NCAA stint), if again my understanding of the amateurism rule of NCAA is still accurate

plus Kai already signed with a agent (does EWP count as a agent), which makes him a pro.

[JAMSKIE]

Simple he is already entered (not just eligible),
It's touch move (he signed a contract with a US based pro team). Tapos
No withdrawal.

The only possibility of withdrawal is an exception, (like hasn't played a game, but that's doubtful he will get an exception from the NBA

I say in case Kai gets undrafted, then let us not put too much fuss into it. To be drafted is one thing, but to get a contract from an NBA team & play in the NBA for lets say 5 to 7 years is another thing. I'm not saying getting drafted in the NBA isn't important. Of course most of us here want Kai to be drafted. But in case he isn't drafted, hope Kai's value as a basketball player & even as a person won't be downgraded by that much. Yung iba kasi dito parang subrang big deal sa kanila yung pagka draft or hindi pagka draft kay Kai Sotto. I feel like Kai's chances of making it to the NBA is being over analyzed by some posters here. Eh halos yung pinag uusapan na lang sa original thread ni Kai Sotto (pinag palit-palit pa nila yung panglan ng thread) eh yung chance ni Kai makapaglaro sa NBA. Puro NBA na lang pinag-usapan sa thread na yun eh. People hardly talked about Kai's stint with Gilas or Kai's future stint in FIBA or FIBA Asia tournaments.

Hope this new thread of Kai Sotto would be spared from toxicity.