Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[PeeZones]

At least Analyze is now somehow leaning that it was possible Kai did sign a 2M contract. I dont want to really dwell on the particulars of the contract. In the end, what matters most is the amount Kai will be receiving and the amount signifies his value as a prospect. It is really difficult to argue with a legit site posting it. It has been days and they didn't correct it. I don't think Smart had a contribution to that contract. Kai would have been ALWAYS available to gilas if that was really the case.

Also, I didn't see prospect signing by NBL on their site that would include the amount of their contracts. Usually, the amounts were divulge by media outfits.

@stevy Tinamad ako magargue.haha You are free to think whatever you like but don't expect that we would yield on our takes. Tab isn't infallible and the criticism about his ways isn't just BS. It is just a matter which side you take. I am on Kai's side so I'll lean on what is best for Kai rather than what Tab wants.

Dont take my confidence as arrogant. I dont flipflop in these forums. I just stick with my takes.

Regarding Kai's stint, we have seen him perform against some of the best bigs of international BBall. Those bigs could very well dominate in the NBL and Kai could definitely hold his fort in his stint. Most centers in NBL arent as good and as big as Bobi, Araujo, Kardo and Prosper. If Sam Froling has been decent, you would surely bet Kai would also be okay. Even recently drafted Petrusev(Adriatic League MVP) and Bobi, didn't had an easy time with Kai. Kai is a formidable international Big and proven in the world stage. The only difference is that he would be playing against way older than him but he already showed what he can do with his Senior Gilas stint.

[reamily]

coach will be bashed for not playing kai for 40 minutes

basketball fans are smart, they will bash if Kai doesnt get that "opportunity" may nag bash ba kay Tab when he put Kai on the bench di namn because he done a good job and were almost feeling invicible up until the Dominican game

[digitalsuperman]

basketball fans are smart, they will bash if Kai doesnt get that "opportunity" may nag bash ba kay Tab when he put Kai on the bench di namn because he done a good job and were almost feeling invicible up until the Dominican game

yes a lot.

[Stevy]

@stevy Tinamad ako magargue.haha You are free to think whatever you like but don't expect that we would yield on our takes. Tab isn't infallible and the criticism about his ways isn't just BS. It is just a matter which side you take. I am on Kai's side so I'll lean on what is best for Kai rather than what Tab wants.

Dont take my confidence as arrogant. I dont flipflop in these forums. I just stick with my takes.

Dude this is your major problem.

Do you really think that you are the only Kai fan here? Do you really think that you are the only one who wants to see Kai succeed? We all do man! All of us! You are not the only one who wishes for his success. Your problem is that you think that you are always right on your takes and you never concede.

The fact that you stick on your takes and don’t flip flop just shows your inability to be open minded man. That statement is a big red flag which means that you are close minded as hell. For example earlier, a few threads back. Me and astigram04 had an argument about the word PeeNoise being a racial slur. Once I have heard the truth, I simply apologized to astigram and told him that I was ignorant because I have learned that I was wrong and he is right. I am a reasonable person dude, I am not someone who is arrogant and can’t admit that he is wrong.

You however is different man, You insist on your ridiculous takes/analysis like from:

1.) From blaming the SBP
2.) Bashing tab
3.) Bashing prospects
4.) Saying that Kai is superior to a Euroleague center
5.) Insisting that Kai has stamina and can play extensive minutes in a fast paced game
6.) Saying that Mexico is the best league in central/south america
7.) Saying that the Mexican League is not "far" to the Euroleague
8.) Insisting that a SRP contract is worth more than a Next Star/Max Import
9.) Insisting on the 2 million dollar 3 year deal which would make Kai the highest paid NBL player on history

Toxic posts like this but I won’t include all of your posts because I know I would have to waste hours compiling it all:

Tab is f*cking Assh*les. He is setting kai to fail. WTF is he doing trying to make Kai guard perimeter players. Isaac Go cant handle Kardo. He should let Kai play center on defense! idiot he will exhaust Kai.

Evident!lol you dont know basketball. He is experiencing in game jitters. It is normal a 19yr old playing his first senior NT stint. He will be better once he overcome the tension.

I hate Tab because he doesnt care about Kai's NBA dream and he is too selfish. Tab is a great coach but there are tons of great coaches that we could hire. The reason for our success is that we are entering the golden age of our basketball. We will be parading our golden generation. If Aj didnt get injured last U19, we could have made a splash last time. This current gilas has world level talent except for some Tab favorites.

You are simply not a reasonable person to talk to man. Also believe me, I don’t expect you to change from what I have seen from past posts to the present. You are an extremist to Kai after all. You are no better than the Haters of kai dude. Both of you guys are toxic to a fault and unreasonable. I will never expect a good conversation from both of you guys. The only time that we will be on the same page is when Kai performs well in the NBL/Gilas duties or when he is possibly drafted.

Don’t worry dude, I do expect you to stick on your delusional/ridiculous takes. Sticking to dumb takes by the way doesn’t make you an honest guy/class guy/stand up guy or a guy with integrity man. It just means that you are unreasonable, arrogant, delusional and a toxic person.

[Stevy]

yes a lot.

Obviously a certain guy in this thread said that Kai could handle 25 mins in a fast paced game.

[PeeZones]

Obviously a certain guy in this thread said that Kai could handle 25 mins in a fast paced game.

Kai was always playing more than 25 WTF! You could check his minutes in all his tournaments. He might have quarantine for several days but it doesn't take the fact the he used to play more ever since. Feeling tama. Another 5 wont hurt. He was gassed but he didnt drag his feet in most games. You should have seen Junmar and Greg play around 30 to 40 plus. How can Kai be used to it if he wont be always tested to his limits. Patawa ka that 20min is Kai's lowest average minutes ever.

Your arguments were mere comments from a forum and insist it is fact. While my position was from a legit site with subscription and editors.
The take on mock writers being inaccurate is because they only take a few minutes to check Kai. They didnt even bother to update their scouting and the last was u19 when he was 17 then you take that as accurate.

Bobo ng mga nagclaim na tama yung mock writers when Kai's agent already said that multiple teams were interested to draft him even if he didnt play a single ignite game. Is mock writer part of an NBA team? I will trust more the agent and EWP over anybody. They make NBL pay Kai millions and maging undrafted!lol Check all 2022 prospect if how many top60 had receive such compensation! Compare Kai to Melo's and Hamptons take home pay with NBL and were they are now. In the end money is really the determinant of all, because that indicates player value.

Ano yan si Chet super prospect as compare to Kai para di pwede punain? He is reed thin and weak as your arguments. Dami mung kuda layu naman! Will chet stand a chance against Serbia and Domrep? Hirap nga sa U19.

[reamily]

yes a lot.

I only see spin and some gilas fan groups created by some ibners pero mas marami yun Mike Nieto nasa bakit nasa Gilas group...

[PeeZones]

https://www.fiba.basketball/asia/u16/2017/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 25.3min

https://www.fiba.basketball/world/u17/2018/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 28.9min

http://www.fiba.basketball/asia/u18/2018/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 25.9min

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 28.4min

Ito sampal niyu sa mga walang kwentang arguments niyo! It was Tab's choice to limit his minutes and use Kouame more but it doesnt mean Kai cant play 25min. He was playing more eversince. Gamit utak and wag feeling tama.

Sino pa yung nagargue na mas maayos na defender si Kouame?
Bobi had 18points against him kay Kai 4 lang! Kaya natalo gilas sa serbia because Tab opted to close the game with Anj and Serbia called post plays for Bobi till the end.

[Stevy]

Kai was always playing more than 25 WTF! You could check his minutes in all his tournaments. He might have quarantine for several days but it doesn't take the fact the he used to play more ever since. Feeling tama. Another 5 wont hurt. He was gassed but he didnt drag his feet in most games. You should have seen Junmar and Greg play around 30 to 40 plus. How can Kai be used to it if he wont be always tested to his limits. Patawa ka that 20min is Kai's lowest average minutes ever.

https://www.fiba.basketball/asia/u16...-Zachary-Sotto
Average 25.3min

https://www.fiba.basketball/world/u17/2018/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 28.9min

http://www.fiba.basketball/asia/u18/2018/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 25.9min

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/player/Kai-Zachary-Sotto

Average 28.4min

Ito sampal niyu sa mga walang kwentang arguments niyo! It was Tab's choice to limit his minutes and use Kouame more but it doesnt mean Kai cant play 25min. He was playing more eversince.

Dude you are the one who is “feeling tama�. Obviously the majority from this thread will agree that Kai could not play more than 20 mins from the ACQ to the OQT. He visibly struggled to maintain his level of play as the minutes go on and even the coaching staff said that Kai needs to work on his conditioning. We all want Kai to be an NBA player right? I am sure that you are aware on how fast paced the NBA game is and believe me the Kai in the ACQ – OQT could only handle 10-15 minutes in an Nba game. If you are somehow suggesting that his previous games where he played on youth competitions, Ateneo and TSF is somehow comparable to the ACQ/OQT level than you are out of your mind. Kai before ACQ/OQT did not have any real games! If the pandemic did not happen then I am sure he would have been able to keep up but unfortunately the pandemic did happen.

Your arguments were mere comments from a forum and insist it is fact. While my position was from a legit site with subscription and editors.
The take on mock writers being inaccurate is because they only take a few minutes to check Kai. They didnt even bother to update their scouting and the last was u19 when he was 17 then you take that as accurate.

No my arguments was from the extensive blog post about NBL salaries and the NBL article itself. The hoops au link was just to show you the Australian perspective. Your argument is an article with no substance, It did not even reach a 100 words, it was hardly an article.

Bobo ng mga nagclaim na tama yung mock writers when Kai's agent already said that multiple teams were interested to draft him even if he didnt play a single ignite game. Is mock writer part of an NBA team? I will trust more the agent and EWP over anybody. They make NBL pay Kai millions and maging undrafted!lol Check all 2022 prospect if how many top60 had receive such compensation! Compare Kai to Melo's and Hamptons take home pay with NBL and were they are now. In the end money is really the determinant of all, because that indicates player value.

I also believe that the Mock draft is inaccurate especially this early. I even talked to your best friend and argued to him

Not really, man. Kai, at one point, was 51st. It is not impossible to see Kai drafted if he has a decent showing in the NBL, especially when we consider his performances in the ACQ, China game and the OQT. You know, I spent an hour reading the past posts in the Kai thread and yes, I get the situation completely. While Peezones is nothing more than a toxic, arrogant Kai Extremist, you, on the other hand, are a Kai Hater. In that sense, both of you are the same man. If Peezones is far right, you, on the other hand, is far left. Calling people Siraulo is not a nice man. I think in your deepest feelings, you also wish for Kai's success. We all want to see Kai in the NBA one day, and he has a great chance with Adelaide. In my opinion, he is the closest Filipino to being drafted. AJ Edu had a chance, but unfortunately, those injuries that he had really hurt him. Even Giddey, at one point, was 48th-70th in the mock drafts, and yes, I know that their situation is different. All I am saying is that it is not impossible to see Kai's stock increase as the draft gets closer.

Ano yan si Chet super prospect as compare to Kai para di pwede punain? He is reed thin and weak as your arguments. Dami mung kuda layu naman! Will chet stand a chance against Serbia and Domrep? Hirap nga sa U19.

When did I vouch chet? Assume much? all I said is that there is no need to bash the guy. Check my past posts, I never once made a big deal about the guy. If that trae guy is a hater to Kai you are obviously a hater to chet dude. It is not his fault that the writers are hyping him nor is it his fault that he has high expectations. The dude is just a 19 year old kid with a family and dream just like Kai. It is also not Kai’s fault that he isn’t getting much attention. All international prospects are viewed unfavorably and Kai is no exception and an asian as well which makes things worst. Even uninformed Aussies are unfavorable to Kai, it is what it is. Kai will just have to prove them wrong.

Gamit utak and wag feeling tama.

Sure dude, I am sure na you are right. I am confident that the majority will agree with you. Look at the mirror naman minsan pre. If you think malaki ang ego ni tab then how much more if ikaw? The nerve for you to say that.

[PeeZones]

tama naman talaga sinabi ko. Is a 15yr old Kai stronger and has more stamina than a 19yr old Kai with NBA level nutritionist and with ignition? Is Tab always right? He was maligned countless times in these forums.

I wont add any to this but that argument that he cant play more than 20min is BS. Kai is tired when he drags his feet, he can barely jump and falls easily. He displayed that on only one game and that was the 2nd Korean game but it was way better than the worst that I have seen him being tired. He was mostly agile and bouncy even in the end game on 4 of the 5 games.

It is a waste of time arguing. Believe in what you believe and I will stick to mine no matter what. Until Kai will be drafted or go un-drafted, I wont concede that he will be a lottery pick. He will be either lottery at his highest and late first as his lowest position on my estimate. If I will be wrong next year, then so be it but I will stick to that till after draft day.

I dont argue to sound arrogant. I am just here being passionate about my support for Kai. I also don't intend to step on anyone's ego. We should just all respect each other's opinion and take.

[Stevy]

tama naman talaga sinabi ko. Is a 15yr old Kai stronger and has more stamina than a 19yr old Kai with NBA level nutritionist and with ignition? Is Tab always right? He was maligned countless times in these forums.

I wont add any to this but that argument that he cant play more than 20min is BS. Kai is tired when he drags his feet, he can barely jump and falls easily. He displayed that on only one game and that was the 2nd Korean game but it was way better than the worst that I have seen him being tired. He was mostly agile and bouncy even in the end game on 4 of the 5 games.

It is a waste of time arguing. Believe in what you believe and I will stick to mine no matter what. Until Kai will be drafted or go un-drafted, I wont concede that he will be a lottery pick. He will be either lottery at his highest and late first as his lowest position on my estimate. If I will be wrong next year, then so be it but I will stick to that till after draft day.

I dont argue to sound arrogant. I am just here being passionate about my support for Kai. I also don't intend to step on anyone's ego. We should just all respect each other's opinion and take.

It is very simple peezones. If you think that you are better than Tab, better than most of the IBNers here that has the same opinion as me about kai’s minutes and once again let me remind you. Majority kami Peezones on Kai’s minutes. We are not having this opinion because we are feeling tama dude. It is what we genuinely see from Kai, IDK why your interpretation is different but it is what it is dude. Opinion mo yan naman but unfortunately for you that’s what we saw eh. It is not Kai’s fault na the pandemic happened, like I said if it did not happen I will say it to your face na Kai could have been playing 30 mins right now especially when we factor in how fast paced g league games are and Kai was projected to be a starter if my memory is right.

Like I said dude the only time na we will be in the same page about kai is when he gets drafted or when he will perform well in his NBL/Gilas games. BTW my projection of 15th is not that far from yours dude. Literally 5 spots lang, so don’t act as if na we are blindly hating like that trae guy or you when it comes to Chet. Problema sayo like i said before is you are an extremist eh. See how I can have a high projection about kai without being toxic, delusional, arrogant? See how civil I am compared to the trolls you talk to? Like I said man, I am a reasonable person I want Kai to succeed but we should not stray to a path like yours dude. To the point where you disregard the realities of Kai man. Anyways moving forward like I said, I will never expect a good conversation from you dude or from that Trae guy. Both of you are the same, you are black he is white, you are heads he is tails. Far left ka he is far right. Pero man, all of us kasi eh, the majority of us is in the center or the gray area. We are not saying these things about his minutes to prove a point, it is just what we saw dude, Anyways man, bahala kana diyan. Hopefully Kai will have a great game in the NBL or he will get drafted so we can see eye to eye with each other. Because other than that, grabe ka makasabi ng words especially sa gamit utak and feeling tama part. Bastos mo naman man it is very far from your statement na we should respect everyone's take. Every time I see you arguing with people other than me, you always have this sense of superiority man. Ask anyone else. Unfortunately all in all dude, you do sound arrogant, you assume too much, you definitely don't respect takes, you mock takes and you consistently laugh to people's take.

[PeeZones]

It is very simple peezones. If you think that you are better than Tab, better than most of the IBNers here that has the same opinion as me about kai’s minutes and once again let me remind you. Majority kami Peezones on Kai’s minutes. We are not having this opinion because we are feeling tama dude. It is what we genuinely see from Kai, IDK why your interpretation is different but it is what it is dude. Opinion mo yan naman but unfortunately for you that’s what we saw eh. It is not Kai’s fault na the pandemic happened, like I said if it did not happen I will say it to your face na Kai could have been playing 30 mins right now especially when we factor in how fast paced g league games are and Kai was projected to be a starter if my memory is right.

Like I said dude the only time na we will be in the same page about kai is when he gets drafted or when he will perform well in his NBL/Gilas games. BTW my projection of 15th is not that far from yours dude. Literally 5 spots lang, so don’t act as if na we are blindly hating like that trae guy or you when it comes to Chet. Problema sayo like i said before is you are an extremist eh. See how I can have a high projection about kai without being toxic, delusional, arrogant? See how civil I am compared to the trolls you talk to? Like I said man, I am a reasonable person I want Kai to succeed but we should not stray to a path like yours dude. To the point where you disregard the realities of Kai man. Anyways moving forward like I said, I will never expect a good conversation from you dude or from that Trae guy. Both of you are the same, you are black he is white, you are heads he is tails. Far left ka he is far right. Pero man, all of us kasi eh, the majority of us is in the center or the gray area. We are not saying these things about his minutes to prove a point, it is just what we saw dude, Anyways man, bahala kana diyan. Hopefully Kai will have a great game in the NBL or he will get drafted so we can see eye to eye with each other. Because other than that, grabe ka makasabi ng words especially sa gamit utak and feeling tama part. Bastos mo naman man it is very far from your statement na we should respect everyone's take. Every time I see you arguing with people other than me, you always have this sense of superiority man. Ask anyone else. Unfortunately all in all dude, you do sound arrogant, you assume too much, you definitely don't respect takes, you mock takes and you consistently laugh to people's take.

Did I say I was better than Tab? I only recognize that Tab is wrong sometimes. That is very different from saying that I am better than him. Tab playing favorites is detrimental to his effectivity as a coach. Dont make conclusions and stick to what I say. I only contend the minutes and Kai not being a closer. I am honestly very realistic with my take on Kai. It is just that I see Kai's best possible form over others who try to forsee a very conservative or very negative projection of Kai. I look at things the same way with how EWP would envision Kai as a prospect. Is it wrong to be overly positive than being a pessimist like the majority? I don't need to conform to anyone and I am not here to please or to go along with the tide.

I see you as someone that is okay in this forum. You are not the worst kind but you were somehow a bit pushy in almost all threads here. If majority is playing safe then it is their choice, I on the other hand has been vocal of my positive projection. I would admit I sometimes laugh just to show sarcasm because I am triggered by too much negativity and degradation of Kai as a prospect. I would avoid doing that and thanks for calling my attention. There had been too much toxicity and negativity in this thread that somehow would easily trigger aggression from both sides.lol

All is well I will let you be but I wont concede with any of my takes because that is me.lol I am right with that minutes and Kai being a lottery is still up in the air. Kai can play that minutes based on his previous campaigns my point was that it was Tab's choice to let Anj close games. Kai and Anj isnt blending well together and that is part of the reason for Kai's lesser minutes.

[PaVi]

Can't imagine what NBL Facebook Page will be, Once Kai plays an average less than 10 mins. a game... you known hot toxic Filipino's online can be..

Yeah! You said it right. Nevertheless, this is within Kai's control, because it is definitely up to him how he would fare when given a chance. And since it seem like NBL still make plays for bigmen, i hope Kai take every opportunity to show his worth.

Go Kai!!

[Stevy]

Did I say I was better than Tab? I only recognize that Tab is wrong sometimes. That is very different from saying that I am better than him. Tab playing favorites is detrimental to his effectivity as a coach. Dont make conclusions and stick to what I say. I only contend the minutes and Kai not being a closer. I am honestly very realistic with my take on Kai.

You can say whatever you want to say man. However your actions speak louder than words dude. People can easily reread the other things that you have been saying in previous threads. No need for me to find your posts because it is a waste of my time, Just take note that the people in this thread are aware of your actions man.

It is just that I see Kai's best possible form over others who try to forsee a very conservative or very negative projection of Kai. I look at things the same way with how EWP would envision Kai as a prospect. Is it wrong to be overly positive than being a pessimist like the majority? I don't need to conform to anyone and I am not here to please or to go along with the tide.

You can justify all you want man. If you think that being overly positive is not a bad thing, that just shows where you stand from the spectrum. Like I said if Trae is far right you are far left. Anything done in life without moderation is negative man. From eating too much to sleeping too much. From how life works, it really shows that too much of something is negative. But like you said, not that you really care.

I see you as someone that is okay in this forum. You are not the worst kind but you were somehow a bit pushy in almost all threads here.

The only person that I have a heated conversation with was astigram, and I already apologized to him and said to him that I was an ignorant on that peenoise issue. Most of the people I have talked in IBN was a positive experience, sure a few disagreements from then and there but it always ends with the both of us exchanging ideas, learning from another and etc. People actually warned me here and PMed me dude about you. Your actions and reputation in IBN is that bad.

If majority is playing safe then it is their choice, I on the other hand has been vocal of my positive projection. I would admit I sometimes laugh just to show sarcasm because I am triggered by too much negativity and degradation of Kai as a prospect. I would avoid doing that and thanks for calling my attention. There had been too much toxicity and negativity in this thread that somehow would easily trigger aggression from both sides.lol

You have done far worse things man and honestly do you really think that you are not a major contributor to the toxicity and negativity of this thread? Do you really not see how negative you are to other factors not named Kai Sotto? Are you not aware how aggressive you are when you talk to others? I mean dude, just watch your words man, look at your previous posts. You are as bad as trae man and you don’t even realize it.

All is well I will let you be but I wont concede with any of my takes because that is me.lol I am right with that minutes and Kai being a lottery is still up in the air. Kai can play that minutes based on his previous campaigns my point was that it was Tab's choice to let Anj close games. Kai and Anj isnt blending well together and that is part of the reason for Kai's lesser minutes.

Okay naman if that’s your opinion. From a logical standpoint if tab is really not playing Kai more minutes because of preferences rather than his capabilities especially on his stamina, he should resign because only an idiot coach would do that. However from his track record, from his days as a college coach to his stint as Gilas coach. He has always been sensible and always tries to do what’s best for his team to win. Tab has already proven himself and he does not need to do anything more. The way Gilas has performed from the ACQ to the King’s cup shows this. Yes I know that he is not perfect like how he focused too much on the Serbia game when the DR game was more feasible but there is no such thing as a perfect coach. Coaches whether it is in the NBA to the college ranks continuously makes mistakes, it is their job after all to recognize these mistakes and find a way to negate it.

[jasper222]

Australian article about Kai behind a paywall