Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[PeeZones]

While I can understand why people can I arrive with the speculation and assumptions made, trust me they're not accurate.

I actually deal with both SBP/"Gilas and EWP.

Will just leave it with that, obviously there are things not to be discussed in a public forum. But will call out things if they are not accurate. Which from the post above some not all are not

You should clarify which one is not accurate analyze. I really believe mine is accurate based on the timeline. Tab was making presscons about Kai's availability after he signed with Ignite. In hindsight, there was really prior agreement that Kai should be available for Gilas. Kai also made a video about his commitments for Gilas after signing with Ignite. Delikadeza dapat ng SBP na iforego si Kai this window. They even compromise the kid's safety.

[jasper222]

While I can understand why people can I arrive with the speculation and assumptions made, trust me they're not accurate.

I actually deal with both SBP/"Gilas and EWP.

Will just leave it with that, obviously there are things not to be discussed in a public forum. But will call out things if they are not accurate. Which from the post above some not all are not

I don't know, regardless of how you spin it, SBP, MVP Group, and EWP really fucked the kid's chances. Sorry for the coarse language, but it's how it is.

EDIT: Of course I understand that these people bankrolled Kai's budding career into the NBA, even building him his own academy. BUT WHY DID THEY HAVE TO PURSUE THEIR ROI WHEN THE INVESTMENT WASN'T REALIZED YET? This is what happens when there's so many hangers-on.

FUCK Filipino sports politics up the ass with a rusty bat.

This is why the PBA is dying.

This is why we are not doing well in the world stage.

PURO PAPORMA. PURO SARILI. Why don't you all just resign already with the amount of blunders you've done over the past decade. Puro lang naman kayo mukhang pera.

The next time a Filipino kid tries his luck in the NBA, I'll make sure that he isn't connected with EWP or MVP or SBP before I get my hopes up. Una si Japeth, tapos si Kobe, then Kai. It's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion, with the Filipino bonus of seeing it 3 times.

[PeeZones]

I don't know, regardless of how you spin it, SBP, MVP Group, and EWP really fucked the kid's chances. Sorry for the coarse language, but it's how it is.

EWP was hired to get Kai drafted and let him earn in all possible way. EWP was not wrong in entertaining all offers because that was their job. Ignite was signed prior to the second window and with all the hindrances during this time they should have let kai play for ignite. This was a non-bearing window but a victory over Korea was too enticing for the SBP boys. It would make headlines and would please their boss.

[jasper222]

EWP was hired to get Kai drafted and let him earn in all possible way. EWP was not wrong in entertaining all offers because that was their job. Ignite was signed prior to the second window and with all the hindrances during this time they should have let kai play for ignite. This was a non-bearing window but a victory over Korea was too enticing for the SBP boys. It would make headlines and would please their boss.

I also mainly put the blame on SBP. This has been such a circus and guess what, makakapal ang mga mukha niyan and they won't learn from this lesson. They'll just find the next wonderkid and fuck his chances too.

[DAdmiral]

are you sure there is no list? did you check the link?

lamelo ball made the "also eligible" list

Yes there is no list of all the players who are available to pick from via virtue of being automatically eligible

There is however a list of those who declared early such as Lamelo and RJ, (playing overseas not yet 22), and US NCAA underclass who leave school and declare early

Lamelo is also eligible in the list as he declared early, but isn't automatically eligible, the former has to declare and enter the latter like Kai do not. They're automatically entered (and no list for them

[ARMIR]

SBP, though part of the problem is just a convenient scapegoat for this huge setback, EWP, Ervin Sotto and even the kid himself are liable as well. So thus media and those freaking vloggers who hyped the kid too much thus putting all those super high expectations which became a distraction

This is so sad,on youtube videos not a single Filipino commenter,lamented that the kid would have been better off if he went to college,even for 2 years.He will get the benefit of a college education,the experience to be among his peers,be the big man in the campus,have a gf,be in a team that would showcase his talents with a patient coaching staff.In other words,they took away what he could have been as a person,years from now he will put the blame on everyone but himself specially the pressure from a whole country helll bent on getting this kid in the NBA.I hope Cholo and other Filipino talents are taking notes,the Gleague and other pro ball clubs are not the only way to the NBA.
In the NCAA at any given time,he would have faced,other NBA ready talent game in,game out and the most important thing is for just a brief moment he would experience some semblance of a normal life.

[thatweirdguy]

So it's Tab's fault now? Not the people pumping out the merchandises, building academies etc who can't wait to make a buck off Kai. Well at least he got paid for just doing 2 scrimmages.

I'd deactivate my socmed accounts now if I'm Ignite.

[PeeZones]

I also mainly put the blame on SBP. This has been such a circus and guess what, makakapal ang mga mukha niyan and they won't learn from this lesson. They'll just find the next wonderkid and fuck his chances too.

Kai will be there bro no need to worry. 7'3 skilled doesn't come often. He will be there for sure. It was better if he was able to show what he can do with Ignite. Todd was able to show his ways and for sure Kai could also do so if his teammates would give him opportunities. Todd's breakout game was due to more passes by teammates. We just have to wait for their next announcement. If all fails, KMART JR's playing with AAU before applying for draft is also another option.

[PeeZones]

So it's Tab's fault now? Not the people pumping out the merchandises, building academies etc who can't wait to make a buck off Kai. Well at least he got paid for just doing 2 scrimmages.

I'd deactivate my socmed accounts now if I'm Ignite.

It is whole of SBP not just tab but all of them. They were too focus with their chances against Korea and their 2023 preparation. Have you seen the narrative will Gilas again defeat Korea? Last time we won was 2013. Too good of a story for SBP but not as good for Kai specially that the window was moved to another date.

[DAdmiral]

Obviously there was a mess up with people involved who have influence in the decisions, no one is suggesting otherwise
The speculation details of some of the things posted here (not all) are not accurate. they may be accurate from a public perception view of things that were made public, but not from reality of how things actually transpired, regardless however command responsibility dictates they messed up.

Obviously it isn't for me to discuss the details. and it's not like it really will change anything , under than purely debate , discussion talk.

[PeeZones]

This is so sad,on youtube videos not a single Filipino commenter,lamented that the kid would have been better off if he went to college,even for 2 years.He will get the benefit of a college education,the experience to be among his peers,be the big man in the campus,have a gf,be in a team that would showcase his talents with a patient coaching staff.In other words,they took away what he could have been as a person,years from now he will put the blame on everyone but himself specially the pressure from a whole country helll bent on getting this kid in the NBA.I hope Cholo and other Filipino talents are taking notes,the Gleague and other pro ball clubs are not the only way to the NBA.
In the NCAA at any given time,he would have faced,other NBA ready talent game in,game out and the most important thing is for just a brief moment he would experience some semblance of a normal life.

Kai won't be eligible as a NCAA player. He has too many endorsements and would be too risky for big programs.

[PeeZones]

Reading all the comments after Ignite released their statement really shows how emotionally invested some are in seeing a fully homegrown Pinoy make it to the NBA and some have even pinned the blame on Kai himself for depriving them of that chance.

But isn’t it possible that despite all of what has happened so far that the Sottos are already happy with the money Kai earned? If he ends up with USD100,000 (after reimbursing EWP) since he signed a guaranteed contract that’s more than enough already for them to start life in the US, no idea what their visas are but I’m assuming both parents can look for work there. Moreover Kai can still pursue his basketball career whether in the US or elsewhere.

If you look at their situation this way and not just with NBA tunnel vision then we should at least be happy for Kai. I mean how many of us at age 18 had a USD250,000 contract? If the support for Kai is real then let’s show it unless it’s not Kai but as I said above but “OUR” own dreams to see a 100% homegrown Pinoy that matters more.

Anyway, I keenly await what EWP and Kai has to say before I offer my POV on his chances of playing in Europe or here in Australia.

If we look at in a bigger picture, Kai in the NBA would open doors for all pinoy talents. It would embolden pinoy prospects to look beyond what the PBA could offer. PBA was biggest mistake of Phil Bball ever. The greed of each governor and owner hampers our success as a Bball nation. Kai will make it still for sure.

[DAdmiral]

Traditional agents make decision for what is best for their client.

Handlers/ Pimps ( sorry for term) , here is the definition :

a man who controls and arranges clients for them, taking a percentage of their earnings in return.

There is a big difference , when one holds both roles there is indeed conflict of interest and obviously bad decision making for the welfare of the player

[thatweirdguy]

It is whole of SBP not just tab but all of them. They were too focus with their chances against Korea and their 2023 preparation. Have you seen the narrative will Gilas again defeat Korea? Last time we won was 2013. Too good of a story for SBP but not as good for Kai specially that the window was moved to another date.

Why wouldn't they? It's their job. Before that win Korea always has our number. But Kai's team still has the final say. Heck if you believe a certain someone he was even offered daw. Everybody knew it was a bad move career wise but still we can't fault the kid's commitment. They were well aware of the risk but still pushed through. Too bad the worst possible outcome occured..

[DAdmiral]

So question , now what? does Kai play in 3rd window around March? if you're his handlers