Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[Metta]

I am still wondering why Filipinos have the most number of players in the B.League that comes from Asia (aside from Japan ofcourse). I am also wondering why Asian quota in the KBL is essentially a Filipino invasion there.

Because we have the most number of basketball players, by a very wide margin.

Here's a thought experiment...

I'm not even sure guys here know our population compared to S Korea (116 million to about 51 million). Now assume 1% of that are athletes - 1.16M to 510K.

Now take away from their 510K, guys who will go to other sports (-75%) = 127K. While Philippine basketball will probably retain about 1M of that 1.16 M.

We have almost 10 players for each 1 of theirs.

Japan also works the same way (in diversification of talent pool), but they also have a larger population (123 million) so they end up with much more than Korea.

[ja.he]

Because we have the most number of basketball players, by a very wide margin.

If that's the case, then their basketball stakeholders should put more effort to promote basketball in their countries. Japan has been doing it for years already. It's not our problem if we are producing more players than what they are producing.

[ja.he]

3 of koreas top players are not playing in the KBL

Then many of our top players are not playing in PBA.

[deku_midoriya]

Which I think is perfect for a national team player with some go-to-guy players & good scorers already there. If you got a go-to-guy like a Justin Brownlee, & some good scorers like Dwight Ramos, Kai Sotto, Junmar Fajardo, CJ Perez, Carl Tamayo (he's obviously improving especially in offense), it makes sense having good number of role players in the team. Role players na kaya rin mag score if given the opportunity.

The role players in his position are AJ Edu and Japeth. At this point, Japeth can give you the rim protection and rebounding. He can't replace japeth much more replacing the top shotblocker in the B League

[deku_midoriya]

If basketball was always about pure talent, Team USA would never lose a single game, especially in decades past.

Better system is the way to beat better talent. It's how the Euros evolved trying to beat USA. And Japan and Korea has been on the same page for a long time (and now, Japan's talent is catching up with its system).

The problem is, if one nation feels it's like Team USA teeming with abundant talent and then neglects system/grassroots/planning.

We have the talent right now as any of our Gilas players can play in any Asian League. As for system, it just took a decent to good system of CTC, then we see results.

[Metta]

We have the talent right now as any of our Gilas players can play in any Asian League. As for system, it just took a decent to good system of CTC, then we see results.

I totally agree that the current program is in a good place. It wasn't most of the time. System is catching up to the talent.

[deku_midoriya]

Then many of our top players are not playing in PBA.

If those 3 are playing in the PBA, they will also dominate. Ra Guna is still very effective with Magnolia. The point is, just because Gilas players are dominating their proleague doesnt mean that KBL is now inferior as a proleague or that Gilas is a sure win over KNT

[Metta]

If that's the case, then their basketball stakeholders should put more effort to promote basketball in their countries. Japan has been doing it for years already. It's not our problem if we are producing more players than what they are producing.

So you think their "overall" sports program mentality is bad? When Japan has arguably the GOAT of baseball in Shohei, and Son Heung Min of Korea is in the shortlist of best football wingers in the whole world? Both making hundreds of millions.

The way I see it, the diversification into different sports is actually good. It avoids dilution of talent which has been frequently discussed here before. Dudes who are not 'optimized" for success in basketball should play something else. Kudos to the boxers, billiard players and esport athletes for sticking with it.

I bet half of that hypothetical 1 million basketball talent pool we have could have been much better at playing a different sport.

[empyreanmaze]

The point is, just because Gilas players are dominating their proleague doesnt mean that KBL is now inferior as a proleague or that Gilas is a sure win over KNT

That sure smells a lot like crypto crab mentality lmfao. Imagine denigrating the achievements of your countrymen(despite what h2h records say) just because you want to make the pba look good, yikes, that's not national pride, that's corporate pride and the fanboy doing the asskissing is not even part of the club. The knt is and always have been sponsored by the kbl btw, it's coached by kbl coaches, financed by kbl owners and I'm pretty sure it has bias for token kbl players to improve its image, just like gilas does.

edit: referring to the dude saying the kbl is a level below pba btw, just using quote for reference, I agree with it

[empyreanmaze]

You are the one that is glacing at Korea, dude.

Stopped reading here, idek any Korean players besides the dude playing in division 1 my boy, my interest in the KBL comes from my interest in watching specifically KQ and Tamayo's development, getting exposed to their player's playstyle and the league itself is a mutually beneficial aftermath. I do think pinoy players have better court intuition but the discrepancies in skill levels is exaggerated by pinoy fans and comes from a sense of inferiority complex. Korean players play a lot like soldiers, individual scoring really is not the priority, it's not just the "system" that makes them deadly against our nt, they have legitimately good individual players that understands pacing and physical management better than a lot of pinoy players.

[Metta]

Another thought experiment...

Shohei who is 6'4, athletic, insane hand-eye, reflexes, power and has a maniacal work ethic could probably have been a really good basketball player if he wanted to. Maybe even NBA level. But NBA GOAT? Nope.

He's in baseball and is already legend status and potential GOAT making more than half a billion dollars ($700M).

If he was pinoy, he'd be in basketball.

[empyreanmaze]

Another thought experiment...

Shohei who is 6'4, athletic, insane hand-eye, reflexes, power and has a maniacal work ethic could probably have been a really good basketball player if he wanted to. Maybe even NBA level. But NBA GOAT? Nope.

He's in baseball and is already legend status and potential GOAT.

If he was pinoy, he'd be in basketball.

Imagine 6'2 Rhenz Abando attempting 45 inch headers in a European football club instead of being cooked in like a 1 week long tournament in Dubai☹️

[Metta]

Imagine 6'2 Rhenz Abando attempting 45 inch headers in a European football club instead of being cooked in like a 1 week long tournament in Dubai☹️

I always think of Pacquiao. Imagine if his uncle who veered him towards boxing was instead a basketball nut. Best case scenario, maybe Pacquiao would be a PBA player.

Instead, he's a boxing legend who owns a basketball league. There could've been more like him.

[lem0nadi]

Imagine 6'2 Rhenz Abando attempting 45 inch headers in a European football club instead of being cooked in like a 1 week long tournament in Dubai☹️

But hey, peenoise could not even be more prouder when he is doing those dunks with his athleticism like that is not the only one of the two things he can do effectively, with the other one with his inconsistent 3-pt shooting. And people are wondering why he did not get any offer from asian league this year lol.

[ja.he]

If those 3 are playing in the PBA, they will also dominate. Ra Guna is still very effective with Magnolia. The point is, just because Gilas players are dominating their proleague doesnt mean that KBL is now inferior as a proleague or that Gilas is a sure win over KNT

I am not saying that KBL is an inferior to the PBA and Gilas in general. My point here is that Filipino players are not really bad at all. In fact, the exact opposite of that is what we are seeing right now.