Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[empyreanmaze]

granted that the KBL is probably a level below the PBA

my brother in christ, where do you think the term "korean curse" came from(it's not from japan, iran or china, it's from the mouths of those from the oldest league in asia), keep your ego in check before they send more pinoy players back to the pba for underperforming

[Rds]

A majority of the time Navarro was the one guarding Hyunjung Lee, Balti worked against European forwards because like coach Tab said, they aren’t as athletic or quick, but he was killed on the perimeter by the DR guys. With his Bleague stint he was a tweener he wasn’t really exceptional in anything and had to play behind imports similar to how he first started at La Salle. If he’d gone to the KBL he would have probably put up stats as well like the other guys are doing right now.

I remember Balti getting lots of time against Hyunjung Lee. The guy was a legit D1 shooter at 6’7. I don’t know if any other homegrown could have defended him as well as Navarro and Balti did. IRC Balti or Navarro always defended him. I dont think Dwight got the assignment.

[deku_midoriya]

The thing with Carl, SJ, Alvano, and to some extent even Gutang are so confident with their game that they go in there and play like imports would normally do and take charge. KQ even as a rookie in his first few games is playing like he is the best player of his team. I just don't see that in Balti, he has the role player mentality not the mamba mentality.

[ja.he]

my brother in christ, where do you think the term "korean curse" came from(it's not from japan, iran or china, it's from the mouths of those from the oldest league in asia), keep your ego in check before they send more pinoy players back to the pba for underperforming

Korea is beating the Philippines not by talent but by their system. Filipino players in KBL are currently outplaying the majority of the locals there. In terms of individual talent, the Philippines is one of the best in Asia. We were not beaten because other teams are more talented than us but our system is failing us.

[Metta]

On cue, KQ did my arguing for him on the court.

[Metta]

Korea is beating the Philippines not by talent but by their system. Filipino players in KBL are currently outplaying the majority of the locals there. In terms of individual talent, the Philippines is one of the best in Asia. We were not beaten because other teams are more talented than us but our system is failing us.

I agree with a slight caveat...our edge in individual talent is a function of "numbers." Aside from us having double their population, their male athlete population are divided into baseball, football, volleyball then basketball (average salaries are in that order) while all pinoy males are in basketball. We have a "deeper" pool of talent.

Although they have a shallow talent pool, they make the most of it and even outperforms us in developing homegrown D1 and NBA prospects.

[Rds]

The thing with Carl, SJ, Alvano, and to some extent even Gutang are so confident with their game that they go in there and play like imports would normally do and take charge. KQ even as a rookie in his first few games is playing like he is the best player of his team. I just don't see that in Balti, he has the role player mentality not the mamba mentality.

You are right. But KBL has a good track record of improving 3 pt shooting of their Pinoy imports. So we will never know. As a Balti fan I'm just hoping he keeps on improving in Converge and eventually gets back to the national team. As for attitude. Have you seen Fajardo? The guy is the quietest and humblest guy around but he is arguably one of the best if not the best PBA player in history already. I just hope that unlike Abai, Balti improves his game to be more internationally competitive not just limited to the PBA.

[ja.he]

I agree with a slight caveat...our edge in individual talent is a function of "numbers." Aside from us having double their population, their male athlete population are divided into baseball, football, volleyball then basketball (average salaries are in that order) while all pinoy males are in basketball. We have a "deeper" pool of talent.

Although they have a shallow talent pool, they make the most of it and even outperforms us in developing homegrown D1 and NBA prospects.

Well, Filipinos also have boxing, billiards, volleyball and e-sports to compete against basketball.

Filipino stakeholders would rather hoard players than letting them play in the US NCAA. You saw the initial hostile response of the PBA and the SBP because of the Japan/Korea exodus?

The reason why Korea has been to produce US NCAA players is because you have a supportive people out there. The same is not true in the Philippines.

[Metta]

Well, Filipinos also have boxing, billiards, volleyball and e-sports to compete against basketball.

Filipino stakeholders would rather hoard players than letting them play in the US NCAA. You saw the initial hostile response of the PBA and the SBP because of the Japan/Korea exodus?

The reason why Korea has been to produce US NCAA players is because you have a supportive people out there. The same is not true in the Philippines.

Bro, those who are in boxing, billiards and e-sports aren't taking away any spots from basketball players (okay goat Pacquiao did). Totally different athletic profiles, try to make a list of the best from those sports/esports and evaluate them in basketball terms. Volleyball, maybe yes...but eventually the volleyball players who can hack it in basketball, transition into hoops by college time.

Basketball is the only viable team sports to make a good living.

Can't compare it to the diversity of options in SoKor wherein their top baseball, football and even volleyball players are among the world's best with some making hundreds of millions of dollars. And where basketball average salary is lower than the previous 3 team sports.

The rest of your points I agree.

[JAMSKIE]

Korea is beating the Philippines not by talent but by their system. Filipino players in KBL are currently outplaying the majority of the locals there. In terms of individual talent, the Philippines is one of the best in Asia. We were not beaten because other teams are more talented than us but our system is failing us.

Agree. Its a system vs. system & not really about which team has the better talent. South Korea really has that unique style of play that focuses on crisp passing, running game, more player movement without the ball & of course high volume 3-pt shooting. Even before the inception of coach Mike D'Antoni's fast phase offense where players, especially the guards & wingmen, would take 3-point shots even in transition, the South Koreans were already running such system or style of play. I believe our past national team coaches had trouble breaking down Korea's unique style becoz Filipino style of basketball is very very much different from that of the Koreans & it was very very hard to simulate such playing style.

I remember a Pinoy basketball analyst saying like "Mahihilo ka talaga sa passing nitong mga Koryano"

[empyreanmaze]

Korea is beating the Philippines not by talent but by their system. Filipino players in KBL are currently outplaying the majority of the locals there. In terms of individual talent, the Philippines is one of the best in Asia. We were not beaten because other teams are more talented than us but our system is failing us.

Nobody cares about the sob story of pinoy basketball but us, not even chot reyes, the pba or the sbp cared about that shit even when it entailed national embarrassments like the 32 point loss against SK in 2017, the basketbrawl and multiple 50 point beatings on public television. Only the track record matters and it doesn't look good considering the comparative scale of basketball culture in both countries. Keep it humble, yung mayayabang na pinoy magsasabotage sa future ng mga pinoy players who don't want to lead a quiet and mediocre career in the pba or god forbid the mpbl, insulated from scouts, competitive salaries and most disappointingly, the pressure to improve as players.

I really hope penoy pride does not turn the basketball landscape in the Philippines into the same situation as our post-Pacquiao boxing landscape, our current generation of basketball players are way way superior from their predecessors not just in talent and physical traits but career decision making and I hope that continues.

[Metta]

Agree. Its a system vs. system & not really about which team has the better talent. South Korea really has that unique style of play that focuses on crisp passing, running game, more player movement without the ball & of course high volume 3-pt shooting. Even before the inception of coach Mike D'Antoni's fast phase offense where players, especially the guards & wingmen, would take 3-point shots even in transition, the South Koreans were already running such system or style of play. I believe our past national team coaches had trouble breaking down Korea's unique style becoz Filipino style of basketball is very very much different from that of the Koreans & it was very very hard to simulate such playing style.

I remember a Pinoy basketball analyst saying like "Mahihilo ka talaga sa passing nitong mga Koryano"

If basketball was always about pure talent, Team USA would never lose a single game, especially in decades past.

Better system is the way to beat better talent. It's how the Euros evolved trying to beat USA. And Japan and Korea has been on the same page for a long time (and now, Japan's talent is catching up with its system).

The problem is, if one nation feels it's like Team USA teeming with abundant talent and then neglects system/grassroots/planning.

[JAMSKIE]

The thing with Carl, SJ, Alvano, and to some extent even Gutang are so confident with their game that they go in there and play like imports would normally do and take charge. KQ even as a rookie in his first few games is playing like he is the best player of his team. I just don't see that in Balti, he has the role player mentality not the mamba mentality.

Which I think is perfect for a national team player with some go-to-guy players & good scorers already there. If you got a go-to-guy like a Justin Brownlee, & some good scorers like Dwight Ramos, Kai Sotto, Junmar Fajardo, CJ Perez, Carl Tamayo (he's obviously improving especially in offense), it makes sense having good number of role players in the team. Role players na kaya rin mag score if given the opportunity.

[ja.he]

Nobody cares about the sob story of pinoy basketball but us, not even chot reyes, the pba or the sbp cared about that shit even when it entailed national embarrassments like the 32 point loss against SK in 2017, the basketbrawl and multiple 50 point beatings on public television. Only the track record matters and it doesn't look good considering the comparative scale of basketball culture in both countries. Keep it humble, yung mayayabang na pinoy magsasabotage sa future ng mga pinoy players who don't want to lead a quiet and mediocre career in the pba or god forbid the mpbl, insulated from scouts, competitive salaries and most disappointingly, the pressure to improve as players

You are the one that is glacing at Korea, dude.

That 32 point defeat does not tell the totality of both Philippine and Korean basketball. That does not change the fact that Filipino players are still better individually than the Koreans. Do you really think that we have chance that year against Korea with 12 days of preparation with Chot leading? Don't get me wrong, I am not dismissing our losses against Korea. But it's more of a system that gets us always.

My point is that if Filipino players are not individually better, then why we have the most number of players in the B.League that comes from Asia (aside from Japan ofcourse)? Why Asian quota in the KBL is essentially a Filipino invasion there.

It's not being boastful but a realization - we have been underestimating Philippine basketball that long but we failed to recognize that the Filipinos have the number of Asian players playing in Japan (aside from Japanese) and Korea (aside from Koreans). In retrospective, only a handful of Asian players did have a significant playing time and a factor in the PBA (Daghlas, Madanly and Jamshidi).

[deku_midoriya]

Korea is beating the Philippines not by talent but by their system. Filipino players in KBL are currently outplaying the majority of the locals there. In terms of individual talent, the Philippines is one of the best in Asia. We were not beaten because other teams are more talented than us but our system is failing us.

3 of koreas top players are not playing in the KBL