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Originally posted by JAMSKIE
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Yeah I think with the current Gilas, the guards are good defensively which has allowed less pressure on the bigs to defend which helps since Coach Tim plays junmar and Kai together and allowed them to play more traditional big man roles rather than having to switch or move out to the perimeter as much. -
What I'm thinking is this:Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
Who would you assign to defend these natural shooting guards in Asia-Oceania basketball?
Would you put a KQ to defend any of those guys? Or you would put a Dwight Ramos or Chris Newsome (who are both natural 2-guards) instead? I doubt KQ can keep in step with those guys."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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You can be that type of SG if you have a pg who can always get to the rim / keep the dribble alive like Yuki. New some / Thompson dont really put rim pressure / dribble penetration like that but its a moot poin in the triangle .Originally posted by Metta View PostComment
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,I watch Caidic since 1988, based on my observation he is a great shooter with a high tower shot. But he is not mobile but crafty. In todays era, he will have hard time as player now are quicker and beefer that before. So comparing the Allan and KQ will not be fair.Originally posted by Tuck View Post
For shooters SG right now, you need to set screens to be open also, also need to fight off screens which is not easy. So physicallity is more than needed. You need to have quick release and do more of dribble pull up jumper . Dont need to much time to set and release his shot. Which are what KQ needs to be more effective in this role.Comment
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Or inside out when you have big men inside for the kick out.Originally posted by Tuck View Post
Triangle also uses quick short passes (dribbling not required) where his passing and long arms are advantageous.Comment
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I think at Great Taste & Presto Tivoli, Caidic played as a shooting guard/2-guard but with the RP teams (kasi he's a many time RP team member), he played mostly at the 3 spot. When Caidic transferred to SMB, I think he played mostly at the 3 spot while Samboy Lim & Ato Agustin played at the 2-guard spot (although Ato sometimes played as point guard especially when Hector Calma was injured).Originally posted by Metta View Post
I this video (1990 Asian Games vs. Japan), we can see that when Caidic was on the floor, nandoon din si Samboy Lim and Hector Calma. I think Samboy played the 2-guard, Calma played as the point guard & Caidic as a small forward.
Fast forward in the 1994 Asian Games (a video featuring Phi vs. South Korea):
Notice that in the game vs. South Korea, the starting 5 were Jerry Codi"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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If you also played in 1988 you'd find out that the "physicality" right now is nothing compared to how it was.Originally posted by zairex View Post
There are just guys who defy logic and the usual "eye test" and excel no matter what. Just like slow-poke Jokic or too small (young) Steph. The greats find a way.
There are 10 year old girls who have better shooting form than Caidic. He shoots it from the back of his neck, elbows out, toes point inward and knees stick together. It's fugly but no one else has been as effective. And when it was crunch time in internationals, he gets even more clutch.Comment
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Notice that in the game vs. South Korea, the starting 5 were Jerry Codi[I]"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Bro, he himself, another legend and a panel discussing the greatest shooting guards of all time just said he's a shooting guard.Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
Did he play other positions, yah sure, it's basketball it happens all the time. But he himself considers himself a shooting guard, end of story.
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Yes bro I know, that's what he said but take a look at the games of the Philippines in the 1990 Asian Games & 1994 Asian Games kung anong position nilaro ni Caidic. It was mostly as a small forward or the 3 spot (with Samoby in the 1990 Asian Games playing as a 2-guard & Ato Agustin in the 1994 Asian Games playing as the shooting guard). Kaya nga I mentioned that perhaps when he played at Great Taste & Presto Tivoli, Caidic played mostly as a shooting guard.Originally posted by Metta View Post
I think when we ask a James Yap kung ano position nilaro nya sa PBA, he would also answer that he played as a shooting guard. But in reality, he played mostly as a small forward the 3 spot.
"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Put it this way, if I'm constructing an all-time greatest team together...I would put him at shooting guard, I'm taking someone else at small forward. Just like I would put MJ/Kobe at SG even if they both played and are capable of SF. Just like I would put Duncan at PF even if he also played C.Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
This is why pigeonholing is asinine. There's no set rules of "if you're this, you have to do this, or you have to be this." If you can play, you can play.Comment
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That's why I said that while Caidic may have said that he considers himself as a natural shooting guard, in his stints in the RP team, especially in the 1990 & 1994 Asian Games, he played "mostly" at the 3 spot. I don't know but maybe it was designed by the RP team head coaches (coach Jawo in 1990 Asian Games & coach Norman Black in 1994 Asian Games) in order to maximize the talents of at the 2-guard spot. A Samboy Lim-Allan Caidic tandem at the 2 & 3 positions made a pretty solid wing combination for coach Jawo in the 1990 Asiad. On the other hand an Ato Agustin-Allan Caidic wing combo was awesome for coach Norm Black in the 1994 Asian Games. Let's face it, Philippine basketball was rich in talent at the 2-guard spot during the early & mid-90's.Originally posted by Metta View Post
Imagine the likes of Caidic, Samboy, Agustin, Jolas, Al Solis (though he also played point guard like Agustin), Dante Gonzalgo, Elmer Cabahug, in that era.
By the way, you said that if you're constructing an all-time greatest team together, you will put Caidic at shooting guard & put someone else as small forward. Well, I agree with you on this. Most likely I would put a Vergel Meneses as my small forward & Caidic at 2-guard."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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Yes Caidic has said it many times he’s a 2 (shooting guard). In the RP teams, Lagerlite (PABL) and NCC I’ve seen him play he’s mostly a shooting guard. When Allan and Samboy are on the court together, Samboy’s the 3 and Allan is still the 2.Originally posted by Metta View Post
He maybe taller than the usual 2 in the 1980s But he’s still the 2 as you can see how he positions and moves on the court.Comment
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What's KQ's plan ba? What position does he consider playing the most in?Comment
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