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  • Originally posted by Metta View Post
    Then if that's accurate then yes, he's less than 6'4".

    For me though, hopefully someone measures his wingspan and hand size. Those are more impactful.
    It will be difficult to justify putting a 6'4" guy at 4.

    Exception is if he has the physical attributes, defensive versatility, and motor of Marc Pingris, and maybe having the offensive versatility of Ranidel de Ocampo.

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    • When coach Tim said that KQ is so versatile that he can play as a guard, wingman & as a big man, I think such statement was just a hyperbole & should not be taken literally.

      I don't think KQ has the quickness & the handles to play as either a point guard or shooting guard. In Philippine college & our domestic leagues KQ can play as a 4 & perhaps even as a center. But in the FIBA game, he would be undersized to play as a four, moreso the center position. Perhaps against some Asian teams with not so big/tall big men like Taiwan, Bahrain, UAE, KQ can play the four for Gilas.

      So for me, KQ's most comfortable position in the FIBA game would be the 3 spot or the small forward position. His improved 3-pt shooting is his calling card playing in that position. I hope KQ's quickness & laterals are good enough for the 3 spot.
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      • Handsize and wingspan will only really matter if the one who has the long arms plays against others whose heights do not dwarf him. KQ at 6'4-6'5 can guard guys up to 6'8. But beyond that is asking for trouble. Chito Loyzaga against that North Korean will show that. Watch the Yeshkel breakdown. Chito's defense was spectacular when he was able to irritate the North Korean and have him not get position. But those moments when the North Korean giant got the ball in the right position meant an easy basket. It is actually a combination of height, wingspan, strength, and handsize. No way KQ is gonna bother Zhou Qi. That is why an eligible QMB is a must because of his combination of size and wingspan. Commentators have even used the word Pterodactyl to describe QMB.
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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
            When coach Tim said that KQ is so versatile that he can play as a guard, wingman & as a big man, I think such statement was just a hyperbole & should not be taken literally.

            I don't think KQ has the quickness & the handles to play as either a point guard or shooting guard. In Philippine college & our domestic leagues KQ can play as a 4 & perhaps even as a center. But in the FIBA game, he would be undersized to play as a four, moreso the center position. Perhaps against some Asian teams with not so big/tall big men like Taiwan, Bahrain, UAE, KQ can play the four for Gilas.

            So for me, KQ's most comfortable position in the FIBA game would be the 3 spot or the small forward position. His improved 3-pt shooting is his calling card playing in that position. I hope KQ's quickness & laterals are good enough for the 3 spot.
            Who are the players he's competing with at the 3 spot? Ball handling and defence IMO are his bigger question marks.

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            • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post

              Who are the players he's competing with at the 3 spot? Ball handling and defence IMO are his bigger question marks.
              He'll get his minutes in Korea for sure because they're not a good team at all. In La Salle last year, he had Baclaan, Cortez, Pablo, Amos or an FSA in pre-season... the defending champs during the actual season... and don't forget how Al Riyadi locked him down after he was being left open the entire Dubai invitational last year in a stacked lineup with Dwight Howard and Andre Roberson.

              I didn't see a problem with his defense in the FIBA game where the refs let players play. He was staying infront and stripping black players bigger and way more athletic than him. It's only in the local amateur game where they call fouls for committing to swipe the ball. Even in Pinoyliga, he didn't look interested in defending.

              What he needs in Korea is a class playmaker to play off with. Worst case is KQ does the RJ in Japan thing where his team was asking him to do too much being the only one on the team with a particular skill set.... which is what I see him do if he's been asked to handle and playmake like how RJ was being asked to be Klay Thompson.

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              • Originally posted by paolylo View Post

                He'll get his minutes in Korea for sure because they're not a good team at all. In La Salle last year, he had Baclaan, Cortez, Pablo, Amos or an FSA in pre-season... the defending champs during the actual season... and don't forget how Al Riyadi locked him down after he was being left open the entire Dubai invitational last year in a stacked lineup with Dwight Howard and Andre Roberson.

                I didn't see a problem with his defense in the FIBA game where the refs let players play. He was staying infront and stripping black players bigger and way more athletic than him. It's only in the local amateur game where they call fouls for committing to swipe the ball. Even in Pinoyliga, he didn't look interested in defending.

                What he needs in Korea is a class playmaker to play off with. Worst case is KQ does the RJ in Japan thing where his team was asking him to do too much being the only one on the team with a particular skill set.... which is what I see him do if he's been asked to handle and playmake like how RJ was being asked to be Klay Thompson.
                I like how in Tamayo's situation, he routinely has to defend or be defended by a (black) import. It's good for his development.

                I haven't seen a whole game of KQ's team, but if he turns out to be one of their main options, he might also get a lot of that similar treatment of being defended by opponent's best defenders. Also good for his development.

                When it comes to competitiveness though, Carl's a dog which makes his continued development expectations a bit more certain. KQ has that nice guy Lebron vibe.

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                • I find it funny that we look down at our basketball and developing our own players and look up on Korea in basketball while the Korean fans are envious on the individual talents of our players. They see Filipino players as individually more skilled, talented and more athletic than their players. Our players' performances in their league are their evidence of such belief.
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                  • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                    I find it funny that we look down at our basketball and developing our own players and look up on Korea in basketball while the Korean fans are envious on the individual talents of our players. They see Filipino players as individually more skilled, talented and more athletic than their players. Our players' performances in their league are their evidence of such belief.
                    True that.

                    But it's obvious they went there for the "bag," and since they're already there, it would be good for them to develop as good as possible too. Hence, my preference for them to be defended by black imports rather than locals.

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                      • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                        I find it funny that we look down at our basketball and developing our own players and look up on Korea in basketball while the Korean fans are envious on the individual talents of our players. They see Filipino players as individually more skilled, talented and more athletic than their players. Our players' performances in their league are their evidence of such belief.
                        In terms of guards, i still think the Philippines still has the best pool in Asia, and the average talent/skill of our guards is on a higher level than the rest. The question has always been our approach to games and the other positions not named guards. This is also not including fil ams (though theyre quite few in korea) guys like Alvano I would not claim as ph developed, even someone like Dwight isnt. Say what you want about the local leagues but weve usually been more welcoming to halfs than our neighbours. (Or even quarters)
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                        • Originally posted by Joe Yabuki View Post

                          In terms of guards, i still think the Philippines still has the best pool in Asia, and the average talent/skill of our guards is on a higher level than the rest. The question has always been our approach to games and the other positions not named guards. This is also not including fil ams (though theyre quite few in korea) guys like Alvano I would not claim as ph developed, even someone like Dwight isnt. Say what you want about the local leagues but weve usually been more welcoming to halfs than our neighbours. (Or even quarters)
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                          We honestly have the best potential to produce quality guards/wings with legitimate size and skill. Just look at the amount of 6'2-6'7 dudes in the past gen.

                          Kailangan na lang talaga i implement thoroughly the skills development from a young age.

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                          • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

                            We honestly have the best potential to produce quality guards/wings with legitimate size and skill. Just look at the amount of 6'2-6'7 dudes in the past gen.

                            Kailangan na lang talaga i implement thoroughly the skills development from a young age.
                            Keyword is young talaga. Some of these guys are already on their mid 20s or worse almost 30 when trying to transition in a perimeter player. Heck guys like Balti, KQ etc even had to start their collegiate career late ( due to acads?).

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                            • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post

                              Keyword is young talaga. Some of these guys are already on their mid 20s or worse almost 30 when trying to transition in a perimeter player. Heck guys like Balti, KQ etc even had to start their collegiate career late ( due to acads?).
                              The HS program is pretty bad. It is not a development program at all if your the tallest guy. KQ was stuck as a center despite being 6’4. IRC Balti did not have an outside game at all because he was so dominant inside. It was his red shirt season going againt Mbala in practice that led him to lose some weight to be able keep up in the perimeter. Carl Tamayo IRC bulked up when he has 15 and coincidentally had his first major injury. Only being consistently healthy later on.

                              Raven Cortez was a lean mean kid who was doing Giannis drills. You know where you go for coast to coast layups at full speed. The kid was asked to bulk up and coincidentally tore his ACL IRC. Now he is a much slower player.

                              Our HS programs have been pretty bad to tall players with potential. Not developing their outside game. Asking them to bulk up. Overstaying. In college they face the reality of needing to play the perimeter vs 6’9-6’11 FSAs. Something HS didnt prepare them for.

                              Edit: I think a way to force our tall kids to learn the perimeter earlier is to introduce FSAs in senior high. Take note at that age they should have been playing in college before K12. So adding more competition shouldnt be bad. Secondly, this will increase the quality of FSAs since they actually learn the Filipino game earlier.

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                              • Originally posted by Joe Yabuki View Post

                                In terms of guards, i still think the Philippines still has the best pool in Asia, and the average talent/skill of our guards is on a higher level than the rest. The question has always been our approach to games and the other positions not named guards. This is also not including fil ams (though theyre quite few in korea) guys like Alvano I would not claim as ph developed, even someone like Dwight isnt. Say what you want about the local leagues but weve usually been more welcoming to halfs than our neighbours. (Or even quarters)
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                                I concede that we do indeed have a "deeper amount" of talent compared to the KBL and even Bleague.

                                But let's not be too quick to conclude it's because we're better when it comes to development. It's more complicated than that. Korea has about half our population and then add to that that basketball is down their priorities when it comes to top athletes. Meanwhile, basketball is the only game in town in our country. Population and priorities are factors.

                                So in essence, all guard-sized athletes in our country are in basketball, while their guard-sized athletes are distributed into baseball, football, etc. When it comes to taller players, they've been able to produce D1/NBA level homegrowns ahead of us so it would seem they make good with what they have.

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