Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[balong]

MVP I think is good for Kai but SBP heads and personnel are just full of personal agenda. Kai could be in the NBA even without games. EWP have proven that they could get deals for Kai all these time. They could just sell Kai base on potential and with his NBA agent's statements teams would draft Kai. This recent push would just to improve his draft stock but even at his current state he will surely be drafted.

mvp = sbp

[PeeZones]

Tell you this, if you really are a fan of Kai as you think you are then you SHOULD think what's best for him right? Lets take EWP and the Gilas drama out of this question to make it simple for you. Can you refute my statement of Kai going back here, quarantining for 10 days and practicing and playing with Gilas for the Qualifiers, OQT, and Asia Cup where talent level is higher(remember he is challenging naturalized players, other team's centers,) game intensity is higher, and most of all he can be the FOCAL point of the offense than staying in EWP training in the US, doing low effort scrimmages with pros and ex pros for a couple of months until NBL season? Care to refute that, Mr. PeeZones?

Remember this will be the only time for a long while the offense of the team will mostly revolve on him. He is not going to get this many touches or minutes in the NBL I guarantee that. He will be a rookie.

I would be frustrated if he cant play on ALL gilas games this year. You should not forget that Kai was here last february even if it run smack to his gleague commitments.

Are you saying that EWP and Ervin doesnt know what is best for Kai? They could get games for Kai anywhere.lol They were just picking those that would be beneficial for them. My stand is that I would leave them with their decision because it is their right and things these days were so complicated. I cant even easily travel outside our region and Tab would just blatantly air his demands.

What is their to support other than Kai these days? Gilas cant even get our best players unlike other countries. We also have a selfish governing body who instead of uniting all stakeholders tends to pirate players that were from non MVP teams.

[PeeZones]

mvp = sbp

MVP delegates he set goals but he doesnt run things.

Same thing RSA he delegates but Chua runs everything about SanMig teams.

[thatweirdguy]

I just want to see Kai play. It's like getting a bad case of blue balls with all these clips and news but with no real games yet for a year now. I thought we're going to see him play last February and in the Gleague. Nope. Now it's possible we don't see him play till the start of the next NBLseason..

[JAMSKIE]

But remember we have 3 tournaments until August, Right? As if it's only ACQ we only participating.. We have also OQT and the main FIBA Asia cup.. What will happen here is Kai will be continuously with the team from June to August.. That is 2 months of learning with the system!!! Do you get that? We're planning for 2023 not for this year.. And this is the only time (2021) that Kai will be available full time.. Because after this and he will be in NBL then Kai could be no longer available with us long term.. 2022 will be the busy year for Kai as he will try his luck at NBA draft and maybe he can't join Gilas in 2022 especially the Asiad.. So why worry Kai will not learn the system eh he will be there until August?

Agree with you on this bro. I'm fine with Kai joining the Gilas practice 2 or 3 weeks prior to the 3rd window. I'm thinking of the accumulative period that Kai would be training with the Gilas pool for every window or tournament proper in the next 2 years. You're right, the 2023 FIBA World Cup is 2 years from now & prior to that are the 6 window qualifiers in which Kai can play with Gilas (maybe he'll miss a window out of the 6 windows since he'll be playing pro basketball in Australia). If Kai can train with Gilas for about 10 days in every window, then he trains with Gilas for at least 2 months during the NBL off-season (NBL off-season is much longer than the PBA's off-season which is usually 2 months), by 2023, I think Kai would already be well assimilated with coach Tab's system & would already establish chemistry with Gilas teammates.

Its a process naman eh.

What I can't understand is that kung bakit parang hindi na planohan ng maigi yung time table of Kai's departure from the US to the Philippines, then the anticipated IATF mandatory quarantine that Kai would be subjected before he can join the Gilas training in "Calambubble"? I wonder if who is to blame here: SBP? Coach Tab? EWP? Or Kai's handlers?

[PeeZones]

This is just pure speculation but i think 2months or more that Kai and his entire fam would be separated is also major factor considered here. Unless, SBP charter a private plane to ferry Kai and his fam then that would be ideal. I dont think Timmy and Erin could travel through commercial flights these days.

I say let SBP ferry all of them here and for sure pwede yan si Kai sa lahat unless EWP and Ervin is preserving him for NBL.

Possible din apektado classes ni erin and timmy.

[Silent Killer]

Agree with you on this bro. I'm fine with Kai joining the Gilas practice 2 or 3 weeks prior to the 3rd window. I'm thinking of the accumulative period that Kai would be training with the Gilas pool for every window or tournament proper in the next 2 years. You're right, the 2023 FIBA World Cup is 2 years from now & prior to that are the 6 window qualifiers in which Kai can play with Gilas (maybe he'll miss a window out of the 6 windows since he'll be playing pro basketball in Australia). If Kai can train with Gilas for about 10 days in every window, then he trains with Gilas for at least 2 months during the NBL off-season (NBL off-season is much longer than the PBA's off-season which is usually 2 months), by 2023, I think Kai would already be well assimilated with coach Tab's system & would already establish chemistry with Gilas teammates.

Its a process naman eh.

What I can't understand is that kung bakit parang hindi na planohan ng maigi yung time table of Kai's departure from the US to the Philippines, then the anticipated IATF mandatory quarantine that Kai would be subjected before he can join the Gilas training in "Calambubble"? I wonder if who is to blame here: SBP? Coach Tab? EWP? Or Kai's handlers?

SBP and tab set the guideline long time ago.. it's ewp who said kai will play for gilas for ACQ and OQT And asia cup and all of the sudden they said "no?" And they reason out the 10 day quarantine? If that's the reason then they should've let kai go earlier and establish chemistry and practice with the team early.

[JAMSKIE]

If Kai would be subjected to a 14-day quarantine upon his arrival in the Philippines, Kai should have left the US during the 2nd week of May. That would give Kai about 3 weeks of training with Gilas prior to the 3rd window.

Here's my point, the extra 7 to 10 days that Kai would be spending in the US won't be as valuable as the extra 7 to 10 days that Kai would be spending with Gilas if he arrives earlier in the Philippines.

Damn it! Imbes na yung focus nalang sana ng team is on how to beat Korea & Indonesia, po problemahin pa nila kung kailan dadating yung isang key player nila.

[thatweirdguy]

SBP and tab set the guideline long time ago.. it's ewp who said kai will play for gilas for ACQ and OQT And asia cup and all of the sudden they said "no?" And they reason out the 10 day quarantine? If that's the reason then they should've let kai go earlier and establish chemistry and practice with the team early.

10 days isn't even that long. Here in Australia it's 14 days mandatory.

[Jupitersa]

I would be frustrated if he cant play on ALL gilas games this year. You should not forget that Kai was here last february even if it run smack to his gleague commitments.

Are you saying that EWP and Ervin doesnt know what is best for Kai? They could get games for Kai anywhere.lol They were just picking those that would be beneficial for them. My stand is that I would leave them with their decision because it is their right and things these days were so complicated. I cant even easily travel outside our region and Tab would just blatantly air his demands.

You did not answer my question.

What is their to support other than Kai these days? Gilas cant even get our best players unlike other countries. We also have a selfish governing body who instead of uniting all stakeholders tends to pirate players that were from non MVP teams.

That statement is irrelevant to the topic we're discussing. Although it does give insights on how you really feel about the Philippine National Team as a whole.

Back to the question at hand. You ask me "Are you saying that EWP and Ervin doesnt know what is best for Kai?", and my answer is no. I never wrote anything pertaining to Ervin Sotto and EWP doesn't know what best for Kai. That is their job of course but it is simply okay to disagree. However I digress... I was asking YOU, the hyperfan! To give your own thought about it. How about formulating an opinion yourself instead of piggybacking whatever EWP says hmm? And here I thought someone as knowledgeable as you, who seem to know everything even up to the personal dealings of the Sotto family about rest, food and such would have answered a simple question such as that? That really is odd...

All in all, my take in short is this. In my opinion, Kai would gain a lot more experience going back to Gilas and playing against Ratcliffe twice, Prosper, and OQT Serbia and Dominican Republic than simply just training in the US and doing scrimmages against pros and ex-pros with barely any defense judging from the tons of videos they keep releasing for a couple of months until NBL season. If you really are a superfan as you think you are, then don't you think he trains in better competition so Kai could be the best he can be at the start of NBL?

I await your answer to that simple argument I have, if you ever do. I am curious.

[Silent Killer]

10 days isn't even that long. Here in Australia it's 14 days mandatory.

Yes. Kaya some imports spend 14 days of quarantine before they're allowed to play.. and the reason out is the 10 days kai will miss in his training? That some kind of thinking by EWP.

[JAMSKIE]

SBP and tab set the guideline long time ago.. it's ewp who said kai will play for gilas for ACQ and OQT And asia cup and all of the sudden they said "no?" And they reason out the 10 day quarantine? If that's the reason then they should've let kai go earlier and establish chemistry and practice with the team early.

Ah ok. So its a simple mathematics lang pala.

[Jupitersa]

If Kai would be subjected to a 14-day quarantine upon his arrival in the Philippines, Kai should have left the US during the 2nd week of May. That would give Kai about 3 weeks of training with Gilas prior to the 3rd window.

Here's my point, the extra 7 to 10 days that Kai would be spending in the US won't be as valuable as the extra 7 to 10 days that Kai would be spending with Gilas if he arrives earlier in the Philippines.

Damn it! Imbes na yung focus nalang sana ng team is on how to beat Korea & Indonesia, po problemahin pa nila kung kailan dadating yung isang key player nila.

I would be against Kai going back to the Philippines if the Gilas schedule conflicts with another tournament like what happened with the Ignite stint. The problem now is.... wala naman tournament na sasalihan as far as we know si Kai. He is just doing training drills and scrimmages. Why is there such difficulty with the schedule now compared to February na may conflict pa? Calambuble has been going on for almost a month now. There's no way hindi alam ng handler yan ng schedule for Gilas. Especially after the statement of Kai joining Asia Cup Qualifiers and OQT last month.

[PeeZones]

[QUOTE=Jupitersa;1418767]You did not answer my question.

Kai has been playing against ex pros, nba prospect and continually training other things. The gilas games would still be better and I would be frustrated if Kai wont play any games till august. If he wont play, then most likely their preserving Kai for NBL. There is more to Kai's life than his gilas stint. It is a collective family undertaking not just the same with any other player who could go on their own.

You dont always have to push your opinion. You also need to check the reasons of Kai's camp to have better grasp of things. It is not just always about basketball same thing with why they didnt grab the EU offers. Family was always a big factor for them.

[Jupitersa]

Kai is already playing against ex NBA pros in Miami. The difference those were just scrimmages and not actual games. He is also continuously training other things.

Gilas games would be better still but FOR SURE THERE ARE TONS OF FACTOR THAT THEY CONSIDER not just playing. If kai wont play any games till August then that would be alarming, the only reason if they wont play Kai would be that their preserving him for NBL.

Hmm. Interesting. And if they did just what you're saying. No games till' August. Preserving him for NBL for some really odd reason. So what would be your take on that? Would you agree even as you said it would be alarming?

You dont always have to push your opinions you also need to check the reasons of Kai's camp to have better grasp of things.

Oh yes, of course we have to check the reasons of Kai's camp to have better grasp of things!.... But that doesn't mean we have to agree with EWP on 100% of everything. Like how KD moving to Golden State was the best thing that happened to him career wise in winning a championship.... but that didn't mean people agreed with the decision. Odd example I know but it's the one I thought spontaneously.