Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[DAdmiral]

To highlight the point that 2 way contracts are mostly for players in the draft class
I'm super confident (95 % sure ) if Mojave King (currently ranked 8th in Mocks for none NCaa players , goes undrafted in 2023 , he will be offered a two way contract (guaranteed).
The same confidence is really not true for Kai , far from it.

Why am I so confident like most on Mojave ? Simple, it's feedback, he's getting great reviews in Ignite ( it's NO accident that King is impressing in Ignite while Kai went the opposite) people.csn ignore this reality, but again like in the last draft the 2023 draft will again show the positive feedback on King will be reflective by which team signs or drafts him

This is what real good feedback looks like ( not like Kai's situation)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=526z6BNSO8E&feature=shares

[hmbopbaduwap]

Adam Parada. His wife is probably a six footer too

Model and former UST volleyball player Briget Inoferio

[thatweirdguy]

Our top players have a bad rep in terms of development.

Kobe barely played for like 3 years . Then plays for UP gilas and eveyone finds him overated.
Then Kai barely plays for 2 years then it turns out hes nowhere near an NBA player due to his style of play and gets bashed.
Lopez is next unfortunately terrible luck and managment

Yeah we sucked at player development. Remember when Japeth kept getting those ridiculous injuries and barely played for WKU? Same thing with AJ he's close to exhausting his eligibility but how many actual minutes did he play? At least Kai and Kobe aren't injury prone and just mismanaged. I still remember people boasting about Kaiju Academy.. people just wanna make money off him ASAP

[DAdmiral]

It's actually a serious question that begs to be answered,
Why is this really happening?
Please let's not fool ourselves, Kai's last 3 years in the context of his peers who some were rated below him in 2020 is really underwhelming.

I have some theories , and please this is not hating..
A poster mentioned the concern that Kai's father was really slow (lacked explosion , motor etc), now in the context of NBA this weakness becomes glaring, and true enough.. those weaknesses are consistently observed, (by GMs, Gaze etc etc ). Thing is people confuse being agile (which Kai is naman ) with motor , activity, side to side , stop go abilities (the stuff tested in combines that Kai does poorly in)

With 2/3 of season Sotto is currently averaging 6.1 points on 49-percent shooting, 3.9 rebounds and 0.7 blocks in 11.8 minutes of play through 15 games for Adelaide this 2022-23 season

Should settle with around 7 pts , 4 reb in 13 mins at end of season..
If you project in 23/24 season , he could be avg 10 pts , 7 rebs in 18 mins.. not bad at all , at 22 yrs old , this may not be enough to be signed as a FA .. normally reserved for really the best players of foreign leagues, furthermore there really is no angle of signing an undrafted free agent for his upside potential ( 2 way contract etc)

[coach cj]

To highlight the point that 2 way contracts are mostly for players in the draft class
I'm super confident (95 % sure ) if Mojave King (currently ranked 8th in Mocks for none NCaa players , goes undrafted in 2023 , he will be offered a two way contract (guaranteed).
The same confidence is really not true for Kai , far from it.

Why am I so confident like most on Mojave ? Simple, it's feedback, he's getting great reviews in Ignite ( it's NO accident that King is impressing in Ignite while Kai went the opposite) people.csn ignore this reality, but again like in the last draft the 2023 draft will again show the positive feedback on King will be reflective by which team signs or drafts him

This is what real good feedback looks like ( not like Kai's situation)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=526z6BNSO8E&feature=shares

Yes, two way contract offers are mostly for NBA draftee but not exclusively just for them lol

Again, 20 to 22 yrs old bball players are the category or age range usually offered a two way contract regardless if draftee or FA from some foreign league.

I think Jack White of Nuggets is one of the best example of this..2020 undrafted FA and played from some foreign league(NBL) and now is playing in the Grand Rapids Gold a

GLeague affiliate of Denver Nuggets.

BTW Jack White isn't an MVP haha

So your point of view that one needs to have MVP like performance just to be offered a two way contract is very very much wrong hahaha

Jack White is around 24 to 25 yrs old..perfect age on my prediction with Kai Sotto playing NBA within 21 to 25 yrs old lol

Plus I think Kai's resume will be much better than Jack White at the age of 25 haha

[DAdmiral]

Again you're trying to make Kai the exception similar to White , no one is saying it is impossible, but it's fact this far from common and very rare , it is really fact that majority or almost all of free agent undrafted sign up full roster players are MVP candidate top 5 players ( this is true , no one is saying otherwise).

You're back to your in a perfect world and all stars are aligned , Kai will be signed , this is senseless kind of forecasting. Like I said it's like you can possibly fly to the moon. (While yes not impossible it really doesn't mean much)

[coach cj]

Again you're trying to make Kai the exception similar to White , no one is saying it is impossible, but it's fact this far from common and very rare , it is really fact that majority or almost all of free agent undrafted sign up full roster players are MVP candidate top 5 players ( this is true , no one is saying otherwise).

You're back to your in a perfect world and all stars are aligned , Kai will be signed , this is senseless kind of forecasting. Like I said it's like you can possibly fly to the moon. (While yes not impossible it really doesn't mean much)

Ngeekk hahaha...But I'm just an optimistic guy and I see things as it is.

Clearly Kai realistically has more chances of getting a two way offers than college dudes age 20 to 22 that are going to be drafted in the second round next year lol

[coach cj]

Makur Maker is another example haha signed with exhibit 10 contract and can be converted into two way contract lol

I think Kai's resume is better than this dude lol

Kai Sotto > Makur Maker > College dudes age 20 to 22 second round draft pick lol

Does this looks impossible to you like shooting the moon by a pistol lol

I don't think so.. haha

[DAdmiral]

Makur Maker draft year is 2022, just like Ron Harper Jr, they are part of process of being signed in their draft year.

Again your statement is wrong, it's not true that 2nd round picks have lower chance of getting offered full contracts compared to free agent undrafted. On average every year at least double, (10 ) 2nd round picks are offered full contracts , while only less than 5 free agent undrafted sign ups full year are offered every year. Your analysis is wrong !

[coach cj]

Makur Maker draft year is 2022, just like Ron Harper Jr, they are part of process of being signed in their draft year.

Again your statement is wrong, it's not true that 2nd round picks have lower chance of getting offered full contracts compared to free agent undrafted. On average every year at least double, (10 ) 2nd round picks are offered full contracts , while only less than 5 free agent undrafted sign ups full year are offered every year. Your analysis is wrong !

Makur Maker and Kai Sotto are both undrafted in NBA 2022 lol

EVeryone is wrong except you? haha

[DAdmiral]

Makur Maker and Kai Sotto are both undrafted in NBA 2022 lol

EVeryone is wrong except you? haha

Hello were talking about players getting two way contracts and comparing those who get them in their draft years and those who are offered ones years after.

BTW even if Travers or Besson who were drafted 2nd round were not offered contracts in their draft year , they still have a better chance of eventually getting a contract compared to the undrafted.

This is your problem with your analysis, you are trying to find a possibel scenario of how can Kai eventually make the NBA , and looking for exceptions from the most common path , which are higher probability. And then making it appear, that " see Kai still has a good chance" ..this is flawed analysis.

This is bottom line both 2nd round draftees and MVP top 5 candidates of foreign leagues have a significantly higher chance of being offered full contracts ( like more than 67 % chance ),

While undrafted and not top 5 MVP candidate have less than 5 % chance .
That's what it comes down to ( the bottom line )

[coach cj]

Hello were talking about players getting two way contracts and comparing those who get them in their draft years and those who are offered ones years after.

BTW even if Travers or Besson who were drafted 2nd round were not offered contracts in their draft year , they still have a better chance of eventually getting a contract compared to the undrafted.

This is your problem with your analysis, you are trying to find a possibel scenario of how can Kai eventually make the NBA , and looking for exceptions from the most common path , which are higher probability. And then making it appear, that " see Kai still has a good chance" ..this is flawed analysis.

This is bottom line both 2nd round draftees and MVP top 5 candidates of foreign leagues have a significantly higher chance of being offered full contracts ( like more than 67 % chance ),

While undrafted and not top 5 MVP candidate have less than 5 % chance .
That's what it comes down to ( the bottom line )

And this is the problem with your analysis hahaha

You always looked at past events and stick by it no matter what lol

So meaning to say, Besson and TRavers will have more chances for two way contract even if (hypothesis lang po) they get injured and regress in their basketball career

while Kai is improving each game making the starting line up , will average double double and playing FIBA world cup main center

which the two above draftee will never have the same resume in their lifetime lol

As a matter of fact, the things or scenario I've mentioned are not far from reality yet you always say things like it's impossible like shooting the moon by a pistol haha

My god..I'm not saying that Kai will be an NBA ALL STAR haha..the hypothesis and the probability I've stated are more realistic than your past events analysis haha

[coach cj]

I will only agree with Mr. DAvid past events analysis if the scenario or factors are the same with Kai Sotto

The usual factor for undrafted FA will never have the same opportunity like Kai currently have which are playing main center of one of the best bball league in the world

and main center for FIBA World Cup.

If none of these two factors are available for Kai, for sure the norms and past events will likely predict the same results with the past events with the same scenario.

GEts niyo po ba point ko now lol

Kai has a different variables around him so don't generalize the results for all undrafted FA with Kai coz basically they are different haha

[DAdmiral]

Yes 2nd round draftees Besson and Travers have significant higher chance compared to Kai to make the NBA under a contract (this is well accepted).

And BTW all 3 of them have equal chances of getting injured in the future

BTW Travers is already one of Perth's main guys ( his role is much more significant than Kai)

If Maker stayed with Sydney he would be their starting Center

Besson last year was already the Breakers top gunner.

See how flawed your assessment is .

[coach cj]

Yes 2nd round draftees Besson and Travers have significant higher chance compared to Kai to make the NBA under a contract (this is well accepted).

And BTW all 3 of them have equal chances of getting injured in the future

Oh exciting times ahead haha..

We'll see my friend..we'll see lol