Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[coach cj]

Classic case of hasty generalization here

If the NBA ditches small ball = they go for 7 footers
If the nBA goes for 7 footers = Kai makes the NBA

Doesn't make sense at all

Okay dude..haha

[amabeast]

A common response for some who was corrected for lack of comprehension

Are you mabalos? It looks like mabalos is replying for you and you are replying for mabalos.

[DAdmiral]

Hmmm..yes because through draft process the NBA teams has higher leeway than signing undrafted FA.

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Yes definitely NBA teams have so much more financial and terms flexibility when signing a draftee (note draft picks depending on when they are selected have a salary cap ) 2nd , they can relegate them to the G- league , even more stash them in a foreign league ( let the foreign league spend on their development) ., all of this is not possible with a FA , absolutely makes no sense to pay a free agent for 1 year and not use him ( only to develop and leave )

understand the context even Landale an NBL MVP when he 1st played for the Spurs last year ( he was a bench warmer) why spend money on someone you hardly used, now if this is the case for an MVP landale , how much more would they not waste money on little used Zhou or Kai, ( that is so unlikely and senseless) , now if they were draftees , ( yeah invest money for the future , don't need to use them immediately) , These GMs are smarter than you give them credit for , ( they know what they're doing)

[jasper222]

I bet you're only saying that because it doesn't promote the over exaggeration and baseless overhyping you are doing for Kai.

Admiral, Big Cat and the other objective posters here base their comments on articles in reputable sports media outfits by reputable writers and scouts. Admiral has also proven a lot of those who overhype Kai wrong in the past, the auto eligibility and NBL salary scale discussions being the top of mind ones.

YOU, Peezones and others who still insist on hyping Kai shy away from the reputable sports outfits and analysts even dismissing their mock drafts and analysis, you rather take the word of VLOGGERS who outside of the internet are nothing but casual fans.

Just basing on your sources - Jonathan Givony vs TATOO.PH - I clearly know which toothpaste to buy.

Translation: Only those who share my opinion are correct. Everything else is overhype.

Reputable sports outfits, writers, analysts, and non-Filipino 36ers fans were calling for CJ to start Kai. One ESPN analyst was even calling this out from the beginning of the season. Guess what, you and the rest of the "objective" posters didn't say anything when Kai got 2 good games in a row. What, are those people suddenly wrong now because they didn't agree with your opinion?

Or how about when "reputable" people ask for ridiculous goals? Like asking a 7 footer to defend the PNR man to man as if Kai isn't doing the same thing as the drop bigs in the NBA? Like asking a big man to average more than 4 reb in 15 mins of PT when NBA players in the NBL couldn't? Like saying Kai needs to "earn" his PT which means you thought that Kai wasn't starter quality until he shut all of you up the past 2 games? Like Kai's PER doesn't matter anymore when this was one of the things notable members on IBN kept using against Kai? Nobody is 100% correct, and I never implied this in my previous posts either, but when the "reputable" and "objective" posters of IBN keep misrepresenting the valid counterarguments against their position then I have no choice but to see them as haters. There's no way reputable and objective people keep posting doom and gloom scenarios against Kai for years on end if you're not a hater.

If simple wishing for Kai to be a starter is being overhype then you're nothing more than a hater. I have personally admitted to saying that DAdmiral and the rest have valid points and have been correct on some things, but when you're wrong you all go radio silent, and have never seen even one of you admit that we were right on some things too. The most I've seen one of you admit it is when DAdmiral vouched for me when people started accusing me of stuff I never did like disrespecting him. I'm tired of all the repetitive arguments because you all want to drown each other instead of accepting that conflicting opinions can exist.

[DAdmiral]

To be fair to Jasper , his statements are actually different from the others , like Peezones or Coach CJ.
My apologies if I don't separately identify each poster point by point associated to each who is I accuse of over exaggerating. To much text to do that
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Anyway the point is the standard to be signed as a FA full roster NBA spot is extremely high and cannot be compared to "draft prospects " they are different.
Kai getting to an all NBL team level (which is the bar to get a roster year offer ) is really far off. Regardless of his improvements or current good stats (PER) etc. , it's not really a conversation to have yet (malayo pa).. of course I don't blame Pinoys to be overzealous, as we've never had any homegrown at this level ( let's just temper expectations, so as not tonovwe hype and disappoint for the nth time ( Japs, Kobe etc etc , pa ulit ulit )

[mathematicianrcg]

Haha.

Come on Guys.

It is Christmas Season.

Avoid Unnecessary Toxic arguments as much as possible

Anyway, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays IBN

[coach cj]

DISCLAIMER: This is just hypothetical and just for brainstorming don't take it so seriously like I'm overhyping haha:

What if Wass says to these GMs that Kai and his group is willing to take any two-way contract offers of any NBA teams.

The question now is, what will these smart GMs choose then haha

The college boys age 20 to 22 who played all 4 years NCAA eligibility

or the main center and starter in his team in one of the best league in the world NBL - Kai Sotto

Understand that, a second draft pick has 90% chance of not making a roster spot or getting contract and possibly a two-way contract haha

So, I think the financial aspect won't be that much of a big difference if ever Kai opted to accept offers of two-way contract lol

Secondly, in terms of experience and upside I think he will also have the advantage over his peers or age range who I guess still have gatas pa sa labi lol playing amateur school bball

Obviously, based on that scenario and if I consider myself smart GM I would possibly entertain the idea of giving Kai two-way contract than these college dudes haha

[DAdmiral]

1st point In relative terms , a rotation player in the NBA gets $10 M / year , so there is no point in trying to bargain and pay cheap for a free agent sign up. Get the best you can get for like $5 m / year , that's actually cheap if a player is expected to get minutes .

Now who are these players, you would pay $ 5 m, to?
Of course the top 5 players of the 5 top foreign leagues. ( 25 players in total. Around 1 good FA per NBA team.

Now for two way contracts , 1st you don't need to use your draft picks to sign 2 way contracts.

So let's say a team already has 10 players this current year who will return or are from other NBA teams.

A team has 2 draft picks on average, that's 12 players who you can reasonably give playing time . Add the 1 MVP FA sign up from foreign league (13 players)

Now the 2 draft picks, 2nd round in particular, instead of spending money on Kai who you have to pay and you won't use anyway ( cause rotation is full), the smart thing to do is draft and stash (let foreign team develop and pay player ).

As you can see there is very little sense in using salary money on a two way player contract who isn't in the draft.
The smart thing to do is
1. use draft picks for development (two way deals etc or draft and stash)
And 2. use FA on ready to produce players (which isn't Kai)

[coach cj]

1st point In relative terms , a rotation player in the NBA gets $10 M / year , so there is no point in trying to bargain and pay cheap for a free agent sign up. Get the best you can get for like $5 m / year , that's actually cheap if a player is expected to get minutes .

Now who are these players, you would pay $ 5 m, to?
Of course the top 5 players of the 5 top foreign leagues. ( 25 players in total. Around 1 good FA per NBA team.

Now for two way contracts , 1st you don't need to use your draft picks to sign 2 way contracts.

So let's say a team already has 10 players this current year who will return or are from other NBA teams.

A team has 2 draft picks on average, that's 12 players who you can reasonably give playing time . Add the 1 MVP FA sign up from foreign league (13 players)

Now the 2 draft picks, 2nd round in particular, instead of spending money on Kai who you have to pay and you won't use anyway ( cause rotation is full), the smart thing to do is draft and stash (let foreign team develop and pay player ).

As you can see there is very little sense in using salary money on a two way player contract who isn't in the draft.
The smart thing to do is
1. use draft picks for development (two way deals etc or draft and stash)
And 2. use FA on ready to produce players (which isn't Kai)

Question regarding that number 2 FA ready to produce players which isn't kai you say haha

Hypothetical again, what if Kai will be a consistent double double stats starter in the NBL play offs and in the FIBA WORLD CUP

will it be enough for anyone of these 30 NBA teams to offer Kai that FA spot or kahit two-way contract lol

Again, kahit isa sa 30 NBA teams considering that one NBA team needs to fill 25 to 30 roster spot for their NBA team and G LEAGUE team

So that's basically 30 teams x 30 players = 900 players haha

Understand also that more players now are in their late playing years already (30 to 40 yrs old)

Plus, the not so predictable injuries to players during pre-season and regular games haha

So.. my point David is that we can never can tell really haha

Kai may have bigger chances that you might possibly think of lol

[coach cj]

Understand also that basically the FIBA World Cup is anyone's audition for the NBA

Playing really good like double double numbers in the bball's biggest stage will help catapult their names for roster spot in the NBA

Remember - Bo Cruz este Juancho Henangomez and Dennis Schroder had no NBA teams prior to their fantastic performance in the euro cup before the NBA season haha

But I'm not saying that kai is at their level..I'm just basically saying don't take for granted what the FIBA World Cup performance will bring and open doors for Kai in the NBA

[DAdmiral]

Ok let me answer the question,
I'd say 5 is a good number already of FA signed after the world cup from foreign leagues who were undrafted. (This is generous already)

So the bar is top 5 in the world undrafted FA ,
If Kai as you say is top center of Gilas (a bottom WC team), not top 20, then in.NBL he avg 10 and 8 , thats not bad at all.., and a huge improvement , right ?
Can you say that is a top 5 undrafted FA ? NOPE, it's not good enough

Now say Cooks wins MVP , (he's a leading candidate) he plays an instrumental role for Boomers and plays in Semis of WC.
You tell me , why in the world would they not get Cooks and just get someone like Kai. There easily 5 FA Cooks available

[coach cj]

For one, Cox is not the type of player who will accept a two-way contract in his current age and level as a player.

The same thing with Bo Sanchez este Cruz and DS won't accept a two-way contract haha.

I was merely suggesting, that a double double Kai performance in the FIBA World cup and NBL play off I think is sufficient

enough for Kai to be offered a two-way contract which basically the names you've provided above are not in the same category anymore because of their age range

which by the way are already in the NBA veterans category haha

Kai is in the age range of prospect and two way-contracts offers only.. So different story my friends lol

[coach cj]

Again name me players in that age range 20 to 22 prospect for two way-contracts signings which have the same resume of Kai Sotto a main starting center of NBL team

and a World Cup main center of his team experience? haha

I guess not so much that I can think of lol

[Tuck]

Our top players have a bad rep in terms of development.

Kobe barely played for like 3 years . Then plays for UP gilas and eveyone finds him overated.
Then Kai barely plays for 2 years then it turns out hes nowhere near an NBA player due to his style of play and gets bashed.
Lopez is next unfortunately terrible luck and managment

[DAdmiral]

Again name me players in that age range 20 to 22 prospect for two way-contracts signings which have the same resume of Kai Sotto a main starting center of NBL team

and a World Cup main center of his team experience? haha

I guess not so much that I can think of lol

Your totally missing something, 2 way contracts (development in nature) and draft picks (have option to draft and stash) are mainly exclusive to players in the current draft class (2023).
What you're asking is Kai to be the exception again (an undrafted player a year before to be classified in the same boat as draft prospects for the 2023 draft .
Teams for good reason reserve two way contract mostly (not alwaus) on players entered for a current draft (2023)

The other point you're ignoring is every single team passed on Kai for a two way contract last July, and continue to ignore him every month ( teams can still call up players you know ?) 100 % guaranteed if an NBA team.called the 36ers today and said can we have Kai for a 10 day contract , 36ers and EWP will instantly agree guaranteed, the fact that it is not happening, is what you continue to ignore ..