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Originally posted by Juan Lun View PostTrue, playing time is earned by being CONSISTENT starting from practice to the limited playing time given to a player.. So far Kai has been inconsistent and still displays aspects in his game that is raw hence the limited PT
NBA bigs like lets say Ayton can get away (sometimes) with one armed boxouts since they have June mar like heft and strength, but if you have the body (&/or strength) of a Wang Zhi Zhi/ Zhou Qi like Kai that wont work as shown on the video
You'd be surprised how many 1-armed boxouts you'll see in the NBA, it's not in the range of sometimes. Anthony Davis loves doing it, KAT loves doing it, even Kai did it this game to the tune of 3 rebs in 9 mins in at least 2 of them. I think it's just personal preference.
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Originally posted by jasper222 View PostI agree that consistency is key but when the kid is playing well then let him play. I thought this was common sense but I guess not..back when Kai scored his season high 21 pts he was pulled from the 4th as well.
You'd be surprised how many 1-armed boxouts you'll see in the NBA, it's not in the range of sometimes. Anthony Davis loves doing it, KAT loves doing it, even Kai did it this game to the tune of 3 rebs in 9 mins in at least 2 of them. I think it's just personal preference.
Imo not personal preference, no coach will teach you to box out using your arms only. The thing with the NBA bigs is they use there arms AND their body to box out - with the video, Kai si caught standing still and using his arms to "box out" which give the opponent the opportunity to out position him.
Here's a good video on how it should be done: (look at how Klay was out rebounded by TT, Klay was caught "boxing out" using his 1 arm)
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That practice consistency is pure BS. Everything would translate into the production in the actual game minutes. Kai has been so efficient with the limited minutes given by Brutus. The only issue is that Brutus doesn't know how to use Kai and prefers a team that run-and-gun which is how he plays as a scoring PG in his heyday. Look at how Steve Kerr is wasting Wiseman's potential because his preferred game style isn't fit for the 2nd overall pick. Kai at 20 has limited options after ADL. It is already a third of the NBA season and small ball is getting trashed by tall ball.
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While different levels (one is a High NBA draft pick), the recent decline of expectations for Kai and Wiseman are actually similar.
Calling it as it is, being selected by inaugural Ignite team (and being in a mock) in 2020 , put Kai in really a very promising situation like Wiseman as a 2nd pick in 2020. (Potential was really there ),
What happend in the 3 years after for both is the problem,
While of course both can still recover and be decent players for their respective competition (FIBA/NBL for Kai, NBA for Wiseman) but obviously the expectation level is gone down drastically from it's high level in 2020 and is continuing to go lower and lower as each year passes for both.
It's not their levels that are declining, but the expectations and prmose that is (those are two different things )Last edited by DAdmiral; 12-09-2022, 11:14 PM.
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Originally posted by PeeZones View PostThat practice consistency is pure BS. Everything would translate into the production in the actual game minutes. Kai has been so efficient with the limited minutes given by Brutus. The only issue is that Brutus doesn't know how to use Kai and prefers a team that run-and-gun which is how he plays as a scoring PG in his heyday. Look at how Steve Kerr is wasting Wiseman's potential because his preferred game style isn't fit for the 2nd overall pick. Kai at 20 has limited options after ADL. It is already a third of the NBA season and small ball is getting trashed by tall ball.
Right now the Boston Celtics are the best team with a 21-5 record. Their rotational centers are only 6-10 in Al Horford, Robert Williams (out with torn meniscus) and Blake Griffin.
They have a 7-2 role playing center in Luke Kornet who plays also limited minutes like Sotto. Like Sotto, Kornet is also undrafted. Played 4 years in college and has the US NCAA record for most threes made by a 7 footer and two-time All Defensive Team in the SEC. After going undrafted he received a Summer League invite and was signed by the Knicks (two-way).
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Originally posted by The_Big_Cat View PostWiseman has been recalled back to Golden State 2 days ago after 7 games with the G League. Wiseman had a torn meniscus in his knee and was out last year. He then had an arthroscopic surgery on the same knee this year to remove the swelling. You cannot compare Wiseman to Kai because the latter has been healthy the past two years.
Right now the Boston Celtics are the best team with a 21-5 record. Their rotational centers are only 6-10 in Al Horford, Robert Williams (out with torn meniscus) and Blake Griffin.
They have a 7-2 role playing center in Luke Kornet who plays also limited minutes like Sotto. Like Sotto, Kornet is also undrafted. Played 4 years in college and has the US NCAA record for most threes made by a 7 footer and two-time All Defensive Team in the SEC. After going undrafted he received a Summer League invite and was signed by the Knicks (two-way).
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nba/...rluojv2it5sm5i
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Originally posted by Juan Lun View PostTrue, you can make a case that Kai should've been left at the flloor since he was scoring well, however CJ was probably thinking about other aspects of the game (like overall team defense and familiarity of his first 5 at the crucial moments) over Kai's good scoring game. At the end of the day, Kai hasn't shown enough to warrant CJ's confidence since he hasn't been consistently doing what the coach expects him to do.
Imo not personal preference, no coach will teach you to box out using your arms only. The thing with the NBA bigs is they use there arms AND their body to box out - with the video, Kai si caught standing still and using his arms to "box out" which give the opponent the opportunity to out position him.
Here's a good video on how it should be done: (look at how Klay was out rebounded by TT, Klay was caught "boxing out" using his 1 arm)
Klay got outrebounded by TT not just because of the 1 arm, but also because TT is bigger, heavier, and heftier than Klay. It's not rocket science. I'm not saying that Kai's technique of using 1 arm is right (because I agree that it's wrong) but that rebounding depends more on physical stats than anything else before effort and technique. Steph outrebounding Dwight in that video is something, but more often than not Rockets Dwight will outrebound Steph in that same position. Kai's physicals will just improve over time, and that will help him more in rebounding than poor technique.
But Kai should definitely still fix his boxout.
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Originally posted by The_Big_Cat View PostWiseman has been recalled back to Golden State 2 days ago after 7 games with the G League. Wiseman had a torn meniscus in his knee and was out last year. He then had an arthroscopic surgery on the same knee this year to remove the swelling. You cannot compare Wiseman to Kai because the latter has been healthy the past two years.
Right now the Boston Celtics are the best team with a 21-5 record. Their rotational centers are only 6-10 in Al Horford, Robert Williams (out with torn meniscus) and Blake Griffin.
They have a 7-2 role playing center in Luke Kornet who plays also limited minutes like Sotto. Like Sotto, Kornet is also undrafted. Played 4 years in college and has the US NCAA record for most threes made by a 7 footer and two-time All Defensive Team in the SEC. After going undrafted he received a Summer League invite and was signed by the Knicks (two-way).
I think the GM of Cavaliers watched the game live in the venue yesterday so I'm hoping Kai got their attention last night lol
About Kai's recent game. I would say I couldn't ask for more. Very efficient in his limited time. Maybe Kai could have made some stops on Tashawn Thomas.
Kai's defense was not there but offensively he was great. I think Thomas scored on Kai 4 out of 4 possession so basically he was dominating when Kai was his primary
defender. But overall Kai was doing great and I was hoping CJ will play Kai in the fourth quarter but instead goes back sa dati na niyang sakit lol
CJ's problem is like a cancer that can't be cured already haha - prefers small ball and basically play his starting five more or less 30 minutes per game and bench players with more or
10 minutes regardless on how they're playing in the court or regardless how the game unfolds he will stick to his game plan haha. Then hope and pray in the fourth quarter that hero ball from FRanks and Cleveland will save his stupidity haha. And like we all expected they lost again
using that very ineffective strategy of CJ lol.
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Originally posted by jasper222 View PostAgain I say this, you can't have consistency if your playing time isn't consistent. Consistency comes with experience, Kai isn't getting any. If Kai is performing well, leave him in. It's that simple, I have no problem yanking Kai off the floor if he's doing bad.
Klay got outrebounded by TT not just because of the 1 arm, but also because TT is bigger, heavier, and heftier than Klay. It's not rocket science. I'm not saying that Kai's technique of using 1 arm is right (because I agree that it's wrong) but that [B]rebounding depends more on physical stats than anything else before effort and technique. Steph outrebounding Dwight in that video is something, but more often than not Rockets Dwight will outrebound Steph in that same position. Kai's physicals will just improve over time, and that will help him more in rebounding than poor technique.
But Kai should definitely still fix his boxout.
Positive side is, Kai has improved on some aspects of his game - the way he looks at his opponent to position himself for boxing out and rebound (6:39), his technique on boxing out (uses his body now and has good low gravity stance, 2:58 and 3:29 minute mark) but he has to do this consistently and avoid the moments getting caught flat footed and using the 1 arm "boxing out" technique (4:14).
Originally posted by jasper222 View Postrebounding depends more on physical stats than anything else before effort and technique
imagine if Kai is able to do what Steph did in a consistent basis, he would be a rebounding machine and imo will definitely get more PT
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Everyone knows this , the ticket to more playing time is defense ( especially true for Kai), Kai would be playing starter minutes if he was a better defender, he plays limited minutes cause of his deficiencies on defense
As this is a general accepted coaching principle, it follows the interest on Kai to play in the next level is dependent on his defense , there is lack of interest because of this weakness ( Gaze , NBA GMs all consistently mention the same weaknesses)
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostEveryone knows this , the ticket to more playing time is defense ( especially true for Kai), Kai would be playing starter minutes if he was a better defender, he plays limited minutes cause of his deficiencies on defense
As this is a general accepted coaching principle, it follows the interest on Kai to play in the next level is dependent on his defense , there is lack of interest because of this weakness ( Gaze , NBA GMs all consistently mention the same weaknesses)
In term of defense I think: Kai > Franks > Harris > Galloway > Acuoth > DJ
Aussie fans shares the same opinion as mine here haha. Look on the aussie thread 36ers vs cats they hate FRanks and DJ pair and their defensive output.
They prefer Kai over the two in terms of defense lol
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Again the only opinions that matter for Kai to get minutes or opportunities (invites , drafted, new offers) are the GMs and coaches.
And they all consistently share the same sentiments of Kai's deficiencies in defense , regardless of what fans think
The best 36ers defensive 5 , does not include either Kai or DJ, DJ gets decent minutes cause of his offense (spreads the floor )
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostAgain the only opinions that matter for Kai to get minutes or opportunities (invites , drafted, new offers) are the GMs and coaches.
And they all consistently share the same sentiments of Kai's deficiencies in defense , regardless of what fans think
The best 36ers defensive 5 , does not include either Kai or DJ, DJ gets decent minutes cause of his offense (spreads the floor )
Your take is just unacceptable my friend. Wake up..all threads and NBL/36ers social media account are all asking for CJ to be replaced as a coach haha.
We all see what's wrong with the team I just don't know where you are looking at lol
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It's really so basic obvious
Kai's lack of defense is evident and reflective of the coaches/ managers decisions right after his play. (period )
2 games ago when Kai played 4 mins, coached benched him right after PNR bad coverage.
Last night Kai just played 2 min in 2nd half as Thomas repeatedly scored on Kai at the post
Right after going undrafted, Kai was working on his lateralls in a football field as a result of the negative defensive foot work feedback resulting in being undrafted and not even invited.
This blatantly obvious, it's what the decision makers that matter think. What everyone else thinks is irrelevant
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