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  • Cairns was last placed last season, this year they're top 3.
    Essentially the characteristics of higher level basketball is what Cairns is playing now.
    It's the same with the Nz Breakers, NBL Player of the month center import Pardon is described as traditional center , (does not take 3's) but what makes him special and better is he can switch out on the perimeter.
    Kai simply cannot keep up when the level is higher.

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    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
      Cairns was last placed last season, this year they're top 3.
      Essentially the characteristics of higher level basketball is what Cairns is playing now.
      It's the same with the Nz Breakers, NBL Player of the month center import Pardon is described as traditional center , (does not take 3's) but what makes him special and better is he can switch out on the perimeter.
      Kai simply cannot keep up when the level is higher.
      Don't misunderstand the word small ball haha. Being small ball doesn't necessarily mean bigs taking more 3 point shot. Take it from the word itself to put into context haha

      The best example of this is BAm Adebayo, that's a small big.. all his offense comes from inside the arc. The only thing that's separate him is he's small for a big haha

      which the term "small ball big or system" lol. Bigs who shoots 3s are what people calling as modern bigs. But I think it's not really modern because we already have bigs

      that shoots threes in the past. Like the 7 footer(my idol lol) Dirk "big german" Nowitzki haha, you also have Lary Bird, Sabonis etc etc. Hence the term modern is misleading lol

      The right word should be stretch big or stretch 5 or 4 haha. Bigs who shoots threes more often than the usual.

      NZ Breakers is an elite small ball team pretty much plays like Taipans. Look at how the bigs of GSW and Miami is being used they do not necessarily mean they're shooting threes.

      They're just small and high octane small bigs haha

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      • Whatever their style, they are playing better and at a higher level .
        A common characteristic of better elite teams is they're good defensively.
        Defense is actually what allowed 36ers to come back and win .

        Essentially to be able to play at the next level (elite winning NBL or individually make the NBA), you have to be at a decent level defensively to appeoximate what is required. Regsrless if it's Small ball or old school

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        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
          Whatever their style, they are playing better and at a higher level .
          A common characteristic of better elite teams is they're good defensively.
          Defense is actually what allowed 36ers to come back and win .

          Essentially to be able to play at the next level (elite winning NBL or individually make the NBA), you have to be at a decent level defensively to appeoximate what is required. Regsrless if it's Small ball or old school
          It's important to be aware of what's their style of play, the trend or the dominant system around the NBL and the other leagues around the world so we can

          have a correct assessment on Kai's chances in the NBA haha. Kai is very much effective against the usual bball bigs but like we all have seen against Taipans

          he was very ineffective against elite small ball teams. Fortunately, the NBA is trending towards tall line ups again haha. NBL is like they're just picking up the trend of the NBA

          that has already peaked last season and currently all top 4 teams in the west and east team are more or less prefers taller line up lol not to mention Wemby next season.

          So I think Kai still has 50-50 chance as of the moment haha.

          Question Mr. David who's more mobile between these bigs Kai, Adams, Zubac, Valancioniz, Poeltl, Brooke Lopez etc haha.

          What Kai really needs right now is "gulang sa laro" to be effective. Pinder's dunk on Kai can be called offensive foul because he was holding Kai's left arm so Kai

          wasn't able to block his shots. In a perfect scenario that should have been a block if Pinder wasn't holding Kai lol.

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          • Originally posted by cireeex View Post
            It's unfortunate since one of his supposed to be impact is on the defensive and offensive boards.

            Without the lower body strength or strength in general his opponents will just have to push him out of position for those rebounds thus limiting his utility on the team.

            I want to see him more crashing the boards contesting for every rebound...

            Hes just #44 in rebounding in the league...

            So please guys can we not talk about the NBA level yet and make realistic goals for him to improve on to be even a consistent 6th man for his team...
            Best comparison will be Zhou Qi, for now Zhou is a level higher than Kai, once Kai surpasses Zhou then we can compare him to NBA bigs.

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            • Question Mr. David who's more mobile between these bigs Kai, Adams, Zubac, Valancioniz, Poeltl, Brooke Lopez etc haha.*

              100 % all the NBA players, defensive mobility and foot speed, solid balance (which is a sign of a good athlete). There is a misconception that mobility refers to merely vertical leap. .more critical to that is balance , ability to move sideways, de accelerate and accelerate , and 2nd jump. . In all those aspects all those NBA players are vastly superior mobile compared to Kai. (Iitterally this is the bad feedback on Kai ever since g league and after his workouts . He's deficient in those areas for the NBA level

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              • Originally posted by Rocco
                Head to head though Kai has played well against Zhou and one can even argue that he has outplayed the Chinese center in their matchup
                Agree.. Kai is playing well against the usual bigs but very much ineffective against elite small ball bigs haha.

                So we all should pray that NBA trends goes back to more tall line ups.

                AGain, I believe Kai has a decent mobility for a 7 footer as compared to other 7 footers with his height.

                And it is expected that a 7 footer like him will always be two steps behind against elite small ball bigs.

                Pero, if he can learn to be magulang sa laro maybe he can still be relevant even against elite small ball system lol

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                • Originally posted by Rocco
                  Here you are again manufacturing and outrightly fabricating your own facts. No NBA team was looking at Landale before his Finals MVP performance and Olympics stints in 2020-2021, ergo no one even bothered with the so called " player trajectory" you are talking about.
                  He was a starter and an MVP candidate, Kai is a bench player, that s all the difference. .one has at least shown growth and maturity other has yet . So basic principle

                  Zhou has lukewarm NBL #s and is unlikely to get back to the NBA.
                  , chances of players like Pardon or Travers are much higher than Zhou to return. If Zhou was not drafted or entered draft in 2020. I don't think he would ever play in the NBA

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                  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                    Question Mr. David who's more mobile between these bigs Kai, Adams, Zubac, Valancioniz, Poeltl, Brooke Lopez etc haha.*

                    100 % all the NBA players, defensive mobility and foot speed, solid balance (which is a sign of a good athlete). There is a misconception that mobility refers to merely vertical leap. .more critical to that is balance , ability to move sideways, de accelerate and accelerate , and 2nd jump. . In all those aspects all those NBA players are vastly superior mobile compared to Kai. (Iitterally this is the bad feedback on Kai ever since g league and after his workouts . He's deficient in those areas for the NBA level
                    Nope..mobile means lateral movement my friend. You can put these men side by side and move laterally, and the results will not have significant differences.

                    Then why are they playing in the NBA. Because they already know how to use their body to be effective, may gulang na sila. Kai unfortunately lacks of..

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                    • Originally posted by coach cj View Post
                      Nope..mobile means lateral movement my friend. You can put these men side by side and move laterally, and the results will not have significant differences.

                      T..
                      This is so incorrect, Adams OKC trainer is a friend (both are from Wellington) I know adams measurements, don't be fooled he 's extremely mobile laterally for ordinary none NBA players. In the addidas nations he was.the best mobile measurements.for bigs.
                      In the NBA he's just average.
                      Kai even for none NBA players has bad laterals., Wandenberg is much more better laterally, yet Sam.would not be decent for NBA standards, he's slower than Adams .. adams when college age , was an elite runner..(I'm..seriois that was his strength
                      Don't be fooled by the how different the.NBA physical speed is .
                      .
                      Just because they look slow in the NBA doesn't mean players outside the.NBa who look fast are faster than them. This is false a misconception. Duncan Robinson who is not athletic is actually for none NBA players very mobile . There are levels to this
                      Landale was fast for NBL , but in NBA looks slow.

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                      • Originally posted by Rocco
                        Head to head though Kai has played well against Zhou and one can even argue that he has outplayed the Chinese center in their matchup

                        Plus Kai already scored 11 pts vs an NBA team while Zhou's career high in the NBA was 6 pts
                        True he matches up well with Zhou Qi (considering both has almost the same playing style and size) and he did played well with there recent match up but Zhou still has the edge with their overall matchup. What I'm looking for is for Kai to dominate him in not once but multiple matchups before we can say that he surpasses him.

                        Kai scored 11 points in an exhibition game, can be compared to Mingxin Ju of Shanghai Sharks scoring 9 points against Houston Rockets - accounts to nothing much

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                        • Kai in almost every defensive play last night could not keep up..
                          It wasn't just 1 play. , Wandenberg didn't blow by other players, he did when Kai was on him.

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                          • Originally posted by Rocco
                            So exhibition games are just a waste of time then and should not be taken seriously? So why was Dirk Nowitzki drafted on account of 2 exhibition games played in the US (Nike hoop summit) where he led an international selection to a win over a US team led by Al Harrington, Rashad Lewis, Stromile Swift and Quentin Richardson? Those games still mean something in the larger scheme of basketball things.
                            Like I said - accounts to nothing much compared to Zhou Qi's career high in a NBA regular season game, make it to the NBA first and score a career high before we can compare Zhou's career high with Kai's supposedly career high "in the NBA"

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                            • Originally posted by Rocco
                              Exactly my point yesterday when Big Cat was hating on Kai because McCall of Cairns blew past him on one play. Even the most athletic 7 footer will be at a disadvantage vs an athletic 6'3-6'5 swingman, yes the 7 footer might get a block or two but the smaller player will likely blow by him 8-9 times out of 10.
                              Wrong astigram. It was big man Sam Waardenburg who blew past Sotto from a dribble drive. Read again my post. McCall scoring on Sotto was mid-range jumper off a PNR switch.


                              Originally posted by The_Big_Cat View Post
                              The 3rd quarter stint was awful for Sotto. Big man Sam Waardenburg blew past Sotto for a lay up. Guard Tajere McCall scored on Sotto on a PNR switch.

                              Andrew Gaze said it best after those plays that Sottos problem is his ? ability to slide ? in the perimeter especially ? coming off screens ? .
                              Sotto simply had a bad outing. Not much good to point out at this game.

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                              • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                                Kai in almost every defensive play last night could not keep up..
                                It wasn't just 1 play. , Wandenberg didn't blow by other players, he did when Kai was on him.
                                Simply said, Kai is not yet ready for the NBA if that is what we're going to expect from Kai everytime he plays.

                                Kai needs to learn how to jump towards the body of the opponent when getting rebounds, defending with using his length and active hands and whatnot.

                                Are we asking for too much? Hmm.. I think it's the basic thing to do for an undrafted big like Kai. Do the small things effectively first then the rest will follow.

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