Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[DAdmiral]

It's not the 1st time someone had a contrary view from common consensus thought. No issues with people expressing uncommon contrary opinon . Good luck with trying to convince people that common assessment on Kai is the exception that is wrong.
The consensus view of 30 NBA teams is he was not worthy to be among the 100 players invited to the combine and g camp. Of course in a fantasy world they can all be wrong ..

[Stevy]

ADL 36ers Defensive Rating (Worst to Best)

Craig Randall III - 118.3
Deng Acouth - 117.6
Sunday Dech - 116.5
Daniel Johnson - 115.6
Kyrin Galloway - 114.7
Anthony Drimic - 114.1
Hyrum Harris - 113.8
Nick Marshall - 113.7
Robert Franks - 113.3
Mitch McCarron -112.4
Antonius Cleveland -112.1
Kai Sotto - 104.3

ADL 36ers Net Rating (Best to Worst)

Kai Sotto - 11.0
Antonius Cleveland -4.5
Robert Franks - -5.0
Daniel Johnson - -5.2
Anthony Drimic - -7.1
Mitch McCarron - -9.0
Craig Randall III - -11
Sunday Dech - -13.5
Hyrum Harris - -15.6
Nick Marshall - N/A
Kyrin Galloway - N/A
Deng Acouth - N/A

ADL 36ers PER (Best to Worst)

Kai Sotto - 25.7
Antonius Cleveland - 22.9
Robert Franks - 22.8
Craig Randall III - 20.7
Daniel Johnson - 16.3
Mitch McCarron - 14.6
Anthony Drimic - 14.3
Kyrin Galloway - 11.9
Sunday Dech - 11.3
Deng Acouth - -1.7
Nick Marshall - -2.1
Hyrum Harris - 3.7

Spatial Jam provided all statistics.*

https://spatialjam.com/nbl-historical-stats

[coach cj]

I'm not surprised of Bolbol's emergence because I know he's a good player from the very beginning of his young career

He only needed trust and playing time from his coach

same as Kai Sotto with Adelaide lol

Let's all hope that small ball(GSW, Rockets and Heat) dies, forgotten and buried 6 ft below ground haha

and support the tall line ups(Cavs,Jazz,Magic,Timberwolve,Bucks,Pacers etc) in the NBA as this will

be more easier for Kai and wasser to sell Kai Sotto in the NBA next season.

Also, this would also affect the trend in the basketball world including coach CJ in the NBL who always prefers

small ball in the 4th quarter and crunch time haha which obviously is not working fro them

I hope James Wiseman the number 2 overall pick on 2020 NBA draft who is now on his 3rd season with GSW aka the king of small ball lol

will find a new home/team just like Bolbol that will trust him and give him playing time. Preferably, those NBA teams who don't play "SMALL BALL" haha

As for kai, let's all just be patient. Something is definitely brewing with our young pambato haha

[coach cj]

ADL 36ers Defensive Rating (Worst to Best)

Craig Randall III - 118.3
Deng Acouth - 117.6
Sunday Dech - 116.5
Daniel Johnson - 115.6
Kyrin Galloway - 114.7
Anthony Drimic - 114.1
Hyrum Harris - 113.8
Nick Marshall - 113.7
Robert Franks - 113.3
Mitch McCarron -112.4
Antonius Cleveland -112.1
Kai Sotto - 104.3

ADL 36ers Net Rating (Best to Worst)

Kai Sotto - 11.0
Antonius Cleveland -4.5
Robert Franks - -5.0
Daniel Johnson - -5.2
Anthony Drimic - -7.1
Mitch McCarron - -9.0
Craig Randall III - -11
Sunday Dech - -13.5
Hyrum Harris - -15.6
Nick Marshall - N/A
Kyrin Galloway - N/A
Deng Acouth - N/A

ADL 36ers PER (Best to Worst)

Kai Sotto - 25.7
Antonius Cleveland - 22.9
Robert Franks - 22.8
Craig Randall III - 20.7
Daniel Johnson - 16.3
Mitch McCarron - 14.6
Anthony Drimic - 14.3
Kyrin Galloway - 11.9
Sunday Dech - 11.3
Deng Acouth - -1.7
Nick Marshall - -2.1
Hyrum Harris - 3.7

Spatial Jam provided all statistics.*
https://spatialjam.com/nbl-historical-stats

Wow..how come the experts in this thread didn't look on this haha

How bout the 36ers greatest choke este coach don't know this?

They should know who's making their team win and who's making them the pabigat player haha

[DAdmiral]

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Then somehow it should translate to a team (including those outside the NBL) recruiting Kai right ? So did everyone in the industry NBA , Euro other NBL teams and NBL front office miss something?

Simple question if all the stats are really meaningful then it should translate right? Note those are ex NBA players he has better ratings than, so what gives ?

Based on stats above Marshall is a better defender than Dech and Harris , try telling any coach that , and convince them you have the stats that their view is wrong . Go ahead..

[jasper222]

It's not the 1st time someone had a contrary view from common consensus thought. No issues with people expressing uncommon contrary opinon . Good luck with trying to convince people that common assessment on Kai is the exception that is wrong.
The consensus view of 30 NBA teams is he was not worthy to be among the 100 players invited to the combine and g camp. Of course in a fantasy world they can all be wrong ..

Of course, nobody is saying any one opinion is almighty. Problem is, it's always the appeal to authority fallacy with your points.

Kai was not invited to the combine and camps, which is fine. If they think an inferior player in Ousmane Dieng is better than Kai, who am I to argue? Just like how the geniuses like CJ and Chot refuse to play some people because "common assessment" dictates they're no good. That's why Chot played Pogoy over RJ in Indonesia and why CJ is still sticking with this stupid small ball when Kai has the best DRtg in the team...

[DAdmiral]

Note it's not just 1 team that decided Kai is not a good draft prospect as Dieng , if you want to argue forever that they're all wrong so be it, but at the end life is as such you need to convince coaches or whoever you're better than the next person , whether that is really true or not , bottom line is what it translates to in decisions for those that matter .
If you can't convince 1 NBA team to think otherwise or a NBL front office to offer you a next star contract or your current coach to start you or play more minutes, then sorry you failed , that's how life works. You can't complain forever why people aren't hiring you or not buying what you say. You either convince them or not.(perood)

[jasper222]

Note it's not just 1 team that decided Kai is not a good draft prospect as Dieng , if you want to argue forever that they're all wrong so be it, but at the end life is as such you need to convince coaches or whoever you're better than the next person , whether that is really true or not , bottom line is what it translates to in decisions for those that matter .
If you can't convince 1 NBA team to think otherwise or a NBL front office to offer you a next star contract or your current coach to start you or play more minutes, then sorry you failed , that's how life works. You can't complain forever why people aren't hiring you or not buying what you say. You either convince them or not.(perood)

Don't worry, I know how it goes. You've said it a lot, and what's over is over. However, NBA teams are also capable of drafting absolute busts. I don't wish busting out on any player but I and a few others will be very vindicated when either Kai gets into the NBA or one of the vaunted prospects that were toddled here as "superior" to Kai flames out (there have been a few already).

Kai is not in the NBA right now because the Philippines don't have a track record of "winning" in the international stage outside of the Asian region, the weakest region in basketball. I'm not holding that against them. Kai is a trailblazer and trailblazers will face worse obstacles because there's no "experience" in the industry for players in his region. Besides that, I still think Kai is better than Ousmane Dieng, no hate against the kid (which imo sounds more genuine coming from me than some people here in IBN professing that Kai will never enter the NBA, bragging aside).

As for scouts, maybe it's just the clickbaiting vloggers but I've seen them time and again report about scouts either talking, visiting, or just generally being interested in Kai. Being signed with Wasserman also takes care of anything interest-wise concerning our boy, so I'm not worried there.

[Silent Killer]

Don't worry, I know how it goes. You've said it a lot, and what's over is over. However, NBA teams are also capable of drafting absolute busts. I don't wish busting out on any player but I and a few others will be very vindicated when either Kai gets into the NBA or one of the vaunted prospects that were toddled here as "superior" to Kai flames out (there have been a few already).

Kai is not in the NBA right now because the Philippines don't have a track record of "winning" in the international stage outside of the Asian region, the weakest region in basketball. I'm not holding that against them. Kai is a trailblazer and trailblazers will face worse obstacles because there's no "experience" in the industry for players in his region. Besides that, I still think Kai is better than Ousmane Dieng, no hate against the kid (which imo sounds more genuine coming from me than some people here in IBN professing that Kai will never enter the NBA, bragging aside).

As for scouts, maybe it's just the clickbaiting vloggers but I've seen them time and again report about scouts either talking, visiting, or just generally being interested in Kai. Being signed with Wasserman also takes care of anything interest-wise concerning our boy, so I'm not worried there.

another one of your plenty of excuses why kai is not in nba right now.. stop making excuses on reasons why kai wasn’t drafted

[jasper222]

another one of your plenty of excuses why kai is not in nba right now.. stop making excuses on reasons why kai wasn’t drafted

What excuses did I say? It's right though? Kai Sotto has better stats than Ousmane Dieng before the draft though? What gives? I thought we were all about the numbers here.

You could say the same about Japan.

Last time I checked Hachimura and Watanabe are two homegrown Japanese playing in the NBA.

Try harder with your excuses on why Kai ain't in the NBA.

You could list a million sorry excuses but at the end of the day there is only one that matters "He just ain't good enough".

Sorry but the truth hurts.

Hachimura and Watanabe also got through the NBA route in college. Joel Bell tried to bake his cake and eat it too. If Kai isn't good enough then why did Wasserman sign him, to profit off of the millions of Filipinos who can't afford his jerseys? Lmao.

Let's stop talking if we're too scared to post after Kai has a good game, because our opinion will hold no weight.

[DAdmiral]

While obviously a team can get drafting wrong (draft a bust at 1st ), that's far from what we're referring to here, we're talking about 30 teams not inviting Kai as among the 100 for combine and g camp. Totally different situation

Doesn't Wasserman also have signed clients who are not NBA players and never will be , when you have a agency business and can hire people to do the leg work, don't you think it's a wise decision to have a large portfolio of clients from different leagues.
If you're limited to the NBA, and say just have 10% of players as clients , around 50, why wouldn't a business expand and handle lower ticket items but larger volume. You obviously don't have the experience exposure to know and realize this

[jasper222]

While obviously a team can get drafting wrong (draft a bust at 1st ), that's far from what we're referring to here, we're talking about 30 teams not inviting Kai as among the 100 for combine and g camp. Totally different situation

This is obviously in reference to my Anthony Bennett post, but no matter. It still holds weight because it proves that all the millions poured into research, testing, scouting, and the like can still go down the drain. We will never see the end of the argument until Kai has ultimately 0 chance to enter the NBA. He's still 20 so here I am still holding hope, because the numbers make sense but the decisions after don't.

If 30 teams thought Kai wasn't good enough, that's their opinion and I can accept that. He's a trailblazer after all. But apparently this isn't good enough for you, since he's not "good enough" lol. But a player with inferior stats is good enough? Coming from the same people who are agreeing amongst themselves that the lineup vs NZ Breakers are the best in ADL's roster? When the numbers contradict them? LOL. If I didn't know any better...

Take a closer look at the Wasserman client list.

More than half of the players signed are Gleague level talents at best.

Kai right now is below average as an NBL player. He is not even close to being considered NBA quality and that's why no team invited him to the combine, drafted him, picked him up for summer league or training camp.

That's why he is still a bench player in the NBL while Ousmane Dieng is cashing million dollar cheques in the NBA.

The amount of money Kai earns in the NBL is what the average Australian plumber makes lol.

Meanwhile the stats posted by Stevy disproves the whole below average narrative. And to add, Kai isn't given sufficient playing time. Am I supposed to believe that Kai has given his all but his best isn't good enough, when he isn't given the chance to show his best? That's funny.

Wasserman having G League level talents is normal, because G League level talents can still crack the NBA. Not rocket science like you pretend it to be.

[Sikatrix]

I would rather say that Kai hasnt been good enough yet. Look at the examples of Rui and Yuta. Both guys spent multiple years in college before ending up in the NBA. Because of the risk Kai took with Ignite plus a couple of bad decisions, Kai is where he is now. Lucky for him, being Kai Sotto, he landed in a decent spot. Hopefully he shows a large improvement in his game, maybe even then thats not NBA level but I just want the best for Kai.

[The_Big_Cat]

another one of your plenty of excuses why kai is not in nba right now.. stop making excuses on reasons why kai wasn?t drafted

So many excuses. From the start of the GLeague stint they blamed coach Brian Shaw for the low playing time in the scrimmages. Then it was CJ Brutton in Adelaide. At one point blamed asian discrimination in Sottos absence in the mock drafts. The finger pointed to Joe Bell for the missed Summer League invite.

Now its Gilas Pilipinas turn for Sotto not making it to the NBA for the lack of winning tradition.

Bottom line is that 30 NBA GMs and coaches passed up on Sotto two times in the NBA Draft. This despite having individual workout with around 8 NBA teams.

The 30 NBA teams passed up on Sotto for many reasons. One is that he is not NBA material and NBA level.


This thread has reached its peaked a few months back. And we?re going circles again and again with the blame game.

[jasper222]

I would rather say that Kai hasnt been good enough yet. Look at the examples of Rui and Yuta. Both guys spent multiple years in college before ending up in the NBA. Because of the risk Kai took with Ignite plus a couple of bad decisions, Kai is where he is now. Lucky for him, being Kai Sotto, he landed in a decent spot. Hopefully he shows a large improvement in his game, maybe even then thats not NBA level but I just want the best for Kai.

Thank you for being reasonable, unlike the Redditors in this thread who are influenced by foreign opinion and are too ashamed to formulate their own. So funny seeing them agreeing with the commentators statements when the eye test and the numbers don't add up, when they themselves were the ones who demanded links and facts beforehand.

Even if your egos are bruised, you'll live. Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan don't get mad.