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  • People here bashing Kai for not having a double digit rebound, but how about Victor's 4 rebounds in 24 minutes? Victor is really lucky that no one is calling him out for his blunders.

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    • Originally posted by amabeast View Post
      People here bashing Kai for not having a double digit rebound, but how about Victor's 4 rebounds in 24 minutes? Victor is really lucky that no one is calling him out for his blunders.
      Yeah he's not a good rebounder

      but I don't think that will be his main role for his team France and even when he plays in the NBA

      ironic for his size he's not asked to rebound the ball that much lol

      I think being the main guy on offense/defense, it will take away most of his energy already so rebounding roles are given to other role players haha

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      • In context Victor not being a good rebounder, yes could impact his success in the NBA , but absolutely no one is suggesting it will mean his draft stock will go down and won't be selected #1. Absolutely not a discussion.

        That is why to rationalize then why are we so critical of Kai then, ? It simple Kai needs everything possible especially addressing any gaps in his game to even get into the radar as an NBA prospect
        It's totally a different context when talking about a player who went undrafted and then is avg like 10 mins a game . Of course thr nit picking of weaknesses is different cause the scouts will definitely care if Kai's not a good rebounder, but no one really cared in terms of draft # if Victor is not so good in rebounding . This doesn't need to be explained why.

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        • You can get away with low rebounding output if you can put an impressive +/- and EFF.

          Wemby has +17 (+/-) and 18 EFF against Bosnia. Against Lithuania, he had +25 (+/-) and 23 EFF.

          On average, he has 20.5 EFF and +21 (+/-).

          His high +/- basically means that he is not a defensive liability.
          Attack
          defend
          Unite

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          • I watched some of our kababayan's youtube channel RE live audience recording their experience watching JOrdan and saudi versus GILAS

            I'm surprised that the chant that I first shouted in my only first and last experience watching PBA game live in the smart araneta GINEBRA versus Global Port ata yun haha

            I'm not too sure what teams were playing I could barely recall, but the reason that I watched the game live was because of Japeth Aguilar on 2011 or 2012 ata yun not sure

            na din sa year haha. That time, Japeth Aguilar's team was losing or winning ata haha and I felt already sleepy and tired coz I'm not used to watching in so many crowds I'm kind of introvert kasi haha. Then the announcer said "last two minutes" with the other team leading by 10pts. I heard so many chants from live audience most were nonsense for me and I find it silly cheering for brand or company basketball teams haha

            watching live was a bit boring for me since you don't know who to cheer for in PBA games, you know there is no really homecourt advantage haha and you might end up

            fighting to the person sitting next to you haha. Mixed audience and supporters in a live basketball game is no fun for me. Unison is much much healthier mas lively mag cheer
            if that is the case.

            The losing team wants to slow down the game or time by fouling so many cheap shots haha. So, me being tired and wants to go home already out of nowhere just shouted

            "UWIAN NA...UWIAN NA..UWIAN NA.." I was surprised that the people on the lower and upper box followed or repeated my chant haha..

            and after that game from time to time I heard common folks chant's this way watching or talking about basketball, even vice ganda haha. Never in my mind that until now, and even people abroad

            watching live basketball game will chant the same haha

            Wala langs...nothing important naalala ko lang lol
            Last edited by coach cj; 11-15-2022, 05:54 AM.

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            • Analyze really is so full of trash and baseless claims.haha Here are Landales stats at age 19 and 20 against very inferior college competition while Kai is already playing pros and Senior NTs.haha Saan na yung better yung Jock Landale same age ANALYZE?Sunog na naman.haha
              Kai Stats against pro and senior NTs 19 and 20.
              NBL
              2021-2022 15.26mins 4.48reb 7.52pts
              2022-2023 9.98mins 4.29rebs 4.57pts
              Against Senior NTS
              2021 9.3pts 7rebs
              2022 13.3pts 9.3rebs

              Jock Landale (25 October 1995 age 27) against college players.haha
              20yr old 7.9 points and 3.9 rebounds
              19yr old 2.1 points and 0.9 rebounds

              https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-bas...ock-landale/48

              AS A SOPHOMORE 20yrs old(2015-16): One of six players, the only non-starter, to appear in all 35 games during the season ... averaged 14.5 minutes per game ... second on the team in field goal percentage at .613 ... among the league leaders in free throw percentage at .775 ... averaged 7.9 points and 3.9 rebounds per game ... scored in double figures 9 times ... scored career-high 24 points on 7-for-7 from the field and 10-of-12 from the free throw line against Pacific ... named WCC Player of the Week for his performance against the Tigers ... scored 9 points in the second half at Gonzaga on 4-of-5 shooting ... scored 16 points with 6 rebounds in 20 minutes at Pepperdine ... scored 14 points to go with 7 rebounds and 2 blocks in the win over BYU ... scored 15 points in 16 minutes (6-7 FG) against UC Davis ... scored 14 points on 6-for-8 shooting in 18 minutes against CSU Bakersfield ... went 10-of-15 from the field in three NIT games at the end of the season.

              AS A FRESHMAN 19yrs old (2014-15): Appeared in 21 games as a true freshman ... averaged 2.1 points and 0.9 rebounds in 5.0 minutes per game ... led the team in field goal percentage at .613, but did not have enough attempts to qualify for league or national rankings ... registered a huge first half in home win over Portland, scoring a career-high nine points all before intermission ... scored eight points on 4 for 6 from the floor in 11 minutes at Gonzaga ... scored seven points and grabbed a rebound in just nine minutes against Northeastern ... scored first point of SMC career with a free throw against New Mexico State.
              Last edited by PeeZones; 11-15-2022, 07:19 AM.

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              • Landale is the type of late bloomer Kai dreams of becoming.

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                • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
                  Landale is the type of late bloomer Kai dreams of becoming.
                  Kai is way more advanced and a better performer against tougher competition than Landale at the same age. That is FACTS. No twisting of details by Analyze would change that.lol

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                  • Originally posted by PeeZones View Post
                    Kai is way more advanced and a better performer against tougher competition than Landale at the same age. That is FACTS. No twisting of details by Analyze would change that.lol
                    WCC is good competition, St Marys was up against Gonzaga. Also by his fourth year Landale was the star player for his team, I heavily doubt Kai is in the same trajectory.

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                    • Heoball : According to BasketLife Magazine stream KT Suwon is closing in on signing a Filipino Reinforcement player. The player was not named but the player is in college, can play forward and guard.

                      My guess? Dave Ildefonso.

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                      • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
                        WCC is good competition, St Marys was up against Gonzaga. Also by his fourth year Landale was the star player for his team, I heavily doubt Kai is in the same trajectory.
                        At least Kai is the star for his team GILAS which will be up

                        against the heavyweights of basketball in the FIBA world cup next year haha

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                        • Whether we agree or disagree that Kai will make the nba someday.

                          For Gilas, we should be happy to have a luxury of having Kai.

                          Imo, Barring a major injury, Kai will be one of the top 5 centers in Asia, maybe higher. (Especially if we are not counting oceania)

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                          • It's all about trajectory, that's the point , look below Landale more than doubled his pt avg from 2nd to 3rd year
                            while Kai from 2nd to 3rd year pt avg has gone down. , Landale avg 20 pts as a senior and continued.to get better as a pro (was a star in Europe and NBL), it's about rate of improvement from avg 2 pts as a freshman.

                            1st (18 yrs old) - 2.1 pts
                            2nd 7.9
                            3rd 16.9*
                            4th 21.1

                            No one is suggesting Landale was a better 18 or 19 year old than Kai.

                            Kai's trajectory is similar to Tacko Fall, obviously both players must have gotten better from 19 to 21 yrs old but the growth trajectory rate wasn't there as it was with Landale..(that's the point someone totally didn't get )

                            BTW there were 18 year olds like Mobley who Kai was close to level when he was with TSF , but in matter of 2 years their rapid trajectory got them into the NBA, while Kai's pace of development could not keep pace (of course he improved but not as required to make the NBA ), I know it's disappointing, sorry for the observation and citing it at the risk of being labeled a hater ..
                            Last edited by DAdmiral; 11-15-2022, 09:09 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
                              WCC is good competition, St Marys was up against Gonzaga. Also by his fourth year Landale was the star player for his team, I heavily doubt Kai is in the same trajectory.
                              Kai is fast becoming the star of the seniors NT, at the age of 20 matched up with a Euroleague center and a G League scorer. The implication that they're on the same level as a college circuit is laughable, even if it is the NCAA.

                              I'm also skeptical of the "logical" argument that Kai's trajectory is going down, his performances in the previous legs of the FIBA window in the senior NT vs the last 2 games are very improved. 11 pts it may be, but it comes with 5 blocks. 16 pts it may be, but that comes with 2/3 3pt. I forgot who said it, but someone here from the "logical" people said that Kai couldn't hit a jumper in FIBA. What a difference a year makes, is that not fast trajectory? Or are the logical people in this thread scrambling for crumbs and coping?

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                              • No one is suggesting Kai's declining or stagnant. But it's not at the trajectory rapid improvement rate required to make the NBA.

                                Simply said if Kai's trajectory development was similar to some of his peers in his TSF years he would have been drafted this year, but it didn't happen. The teams drafting obviously didn't think so.

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