Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

Clearly the best Philippine producing 5 , they're no ifs with this 5 , we know what they can do.

PG: Kiefer
SG: Parks
SF: Dwight
PF: Baltazar
C: Kouame

Honestly I think this 5 can be competitive for stretches if they played in the NBL, they would stay in a game .. would be hard to close and win games though

[IPC]

Filipinos are more skilled, better Isolation and 1V1 players than Koreans. I will also say better athleticism.

Koreans are better shooters, and have better off ball movement.

Hmmm. Interesting

Better athleticism? I have a different recollection, seeing as how the Koreans seemed lightfooted when we last faced them (and beat them).

Agreed on the 1-on-1 play, though. You need those in bailout situations. This applies to perimeter and post scorers.

Our bigs, especially, tend to have more skill in the post too. Although, the Koreans do have a couple of good rim-runners and PnR/PnP threats.

Better conditioning maybe? Though we have a lot of athletic players with foreign blood

Oh, yeah, our players with foreign blood have athleticism. CJ Perez, Calvin Abueva. We do have athletic homegrowns as well like Thirdy, Abando, Japeth.

The SoKor team we faced, however, had a couple athletic forwards. Yeo Jeun-Seok and Ha Yungi. They're combo forwards, I think.

Anyways, what sets us apart from the Japanese and Koreans, in my opinion, is our skill in scoring 1-on-1, whether from the perimeter or the post.

Agree on the latter part.

I think this has mainly to do with the different orientation of Filipino players from that of Korean & Japanese basketball. Pinoy ballers are raised with too much emphasis on individual skills & the ability to creat your shot off the dribble. Korean & Japanese basketball on the other hand put premium on teamwork & passing.

But somehow I observed, the Korean guards & wingmen now are very good at creating their shots off the dribble. Di na sila gaya ng dati (say some 20 years ago) in which if they are forced to dribble eh nahihirapan nang tumira.

Yeah, the Korean perimeter players can create off the dribble. I saw that as well during the qualifying window. Big difference from before where they couldn't even make layups off the dribble. That adds a threat, especially when their bigs are credible PnR/PnP threats. Our defense had a really tough time last time, although we did defend them well in the two games we played.

I think we have more shot creators than the Koreans though, especially from the PG and SG positions. Not to mention that some bigs can create from the post too.

[DAdmiral]

Best current 5, does not mean most likely 5

Speaking of most commonly used player per position For Gilas last year (most minutes per position ) who tops the list

My guess

1 SJ ?
2. Heading
3 Dwight
4 Baltazar
5. KOUAME

Is this correct ? They played the most minutes for Gilas in those positions

[IPC]

Best current 5, does not mean most likely 5

Speaking of most commonly used player per position For Gilas last year (most minutes per position ) who tops the list

My guess

1 SJ ?
2. Heading
3 Dwight
4 Baltazar
5. KOUAME

Is this correct ? They played the most minutes for Gilas in those positions

Yep, I think that's pretty much accurate as per minutes played.

The PGs (Belangel and Abarrientos) are scoring PGs, but I don't really mind if they can at least initiate the offense, or they play next to a playmaker at another position (which we can develop Dwight to be).

[DAdmiral]

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So essentially for 2022 the following have to show up for Gilas and demonstrate they belong in the 2023 World Cup team

PG Kiefer, Dalph
SG Parks
SF
PF /Center AJ Edu

Essentially the Asia cup is the last tryouts to see if new additions are necessary to fit into existing group from last year.
No player with the exception of Clarkson can just hugot in last minute and show up in August 2023 and expect to get a spot

[PaVi]

^
So essentially for 2022 the following have to show up for Gilas and demonstrate they belong in the 2023 World Cup team

PG Kiefer, Dalph
SG Parks
SF
PF /Center AJ Edu


Essentially the Asia cup is the last tryouts to see if new additions are necessary to fit into existing group from last year.
No player with the exception of Clarkson can just hugot in last minute and show up in August 2023 and expect to get a spot

Additional - Sean Dave Ildefonso

Yeah! These four + Dave are the necessary added pieces, IMO.
If they performed better and within at least expectations of CTB, who among the remaining ones should be removed?

For me, the nietos, either sj & or rj, bulanadi, and tungcab are dispensable. CHIU can be an alternate.

Reason - what the nietos and sj can offer, kiefer can also do, and in a much higher level. Dalph for me is still a better talent than the nietos and sj. Parks is an obvious upgrade to all the dispensables and as to Edu, as long as he is healthy, he is an obvious shoo-in.

[Sikatrix]

^
So essentially for 2022 the following have to show up for Gilas and demonstrate they belong in the 2023 World Cup team

PG Kiefer, Dalph
SG Parks
SF
PF /Center AJ Edu

Essentially the Asia cup is the last tryouts to see if new additions are necessary to fit into existing group from last year.
No player with the exception of Clarkson can just hugot in last minute and show up in August 2023 and expect to get a spot

Dwight is in even if he doesnt show up for Gilas? How about Heading?

[DAdmiral]

It's not who was mostly starting but who was getting the most minutes per position in 2021 Gilas games . Not avg , but litterarally most total accumulated minutes, obviously the ones who suited up in rosters would get more minutes

Yes Dwight can not play for Gilas in 2022, and in early 2023 can show up and will be selected .
As to Heading , if no other new SG Shows up in 2022 and performs well , to overtake Heading in the pecking order.
Then yes if Heading shows up in 2023 he would have an advantage over others simply for what he has demonstrated in 2021.
These are just my takes , of course can be wrong

Oh before people mistake me , Kai is a shoe in for 2023 WC , he ca n litterarally just show up in the WC. But of course it would really help with chemistry if he played more Gilas games thus year

[k3ttch]

Coach Tab on a recruitment trip to the US, explaining the Hagop rule to parents of Fil-am prospects.

[DAdmiral]

Exceptions guidelines
1. # of years Residency in county
2. #of years basketball heritage (where does he play) in the Philippines

Of course in the context of age , how many years removed from 16 birthday, the farther he gets passport , Residency and domestic play from 16 the less unlikely

That's what it comes down to, essentially 19 yrs is cut-off of start of Residency and domestic play in Philippines. If passport after 16, player has to play college in the Philippines. Period.

[DAdmiral]

Here is cheating for you, he faked his age to go under 16 years old , and lusot sa Hagop u16 rule

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/the-mystery-of-the-nba-player-who-faked-his-identity/

Daya talaga , Arsen crossed the border into Turkey at 18 years old but then went missing, never showing up again. All the documents about Arsen Ilyasov simply vanished.
But only a month later, a person would go to the Turkish authorities and say he forgot to register his 15-year old son.

[mathematicianrcg]

Exceptions guidelines
1. # of years Residency in county
2. #of years basketball heritage (where does he play) in the Philippines

Of course in the context of age , how many years removed from 16 birthday, the farther he gets passport , Residency and domestic play from 16 the less unlikely

That's what it comes down to, essentially 19 yrs is cut-off of start of Residency and domestic play in Philippines. If passport after 16, player has to play college in the Philippines. Period.

Basically Like Greg Slaughter. Probably in the future, we hopefully can except

La Salle"s Phillips Brothers
Ateneo"s Chris Koon
Kyle Gamber (?)

But each player's exception process, there is a fee right? Idk if we are willing to pay for it

[mathematicianrcg]

Here is cheating for you, he faked his age to go under 16 years old , and lusot sa Hagop u16 rule

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/the-mystery-of-the-nba-player-who-faked-his-identity/

Daya talaga , Arsen crossed the border into Turkey at 18 years old but then went missing, never showing up again. All the documents about Arsen Ilyasov simply vanished.
But only a month later, a person would go to the Turkish authorities and say he forgot to register his 15-year old son.

Lmao. Cheating at its finest.

At least we are playing by the rules. Even if we dont agree

[IPC]

Well, Governors' Cup suspended indefinitely. Hay, nako.

Only took Christmas and a few dumbasses to get Metro Manila to Alert Level 3.

Let us look on the bright side.

At least pba players and uaap/ncaa players will be available for gilas invitation.hehe.

I think we at ibn care more in National Team than our pro leagues.lol

Oo nga, no. Hahahahaha. But I'd give priority to the collegiate players for the windows. Heck, even in the juniors division, if they're old enough. It's in the main tournaments where we may need PBA players.

[mathematicianrcg]

Oo nga, no. Hahahahaha. But I'd give priority to the collegiate players for the windows. Heck, even in the juniors division, if they're old enough. It's in the main tournaments where we may need PBA players.

I hope Coach Tab will invite more prospects.

The pool so far is lacking in talent imo.

But I am not sure if they are still inviting.

Invite Raven Cortez and Kevin Quiambao again. Wala naman n cguro academics reasons. hehe