Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[kaibooster21]

I reviewed Marcio's numbers during the qualifiers, and he actually performed well. Shot 40% from 3. Plus, his defense is an asset.

Imagine if SMC had lent him (and Japeth and June Mar, and probably LA) for 2015. We'd have a better shot at winning this thing.

Actually he played decent, but the thing is, if we watched those qualifiers malayo yun game niya from his PBA game. Unlike Pogoy kase he wasnt consistent with TNT either so less expectation.

[IPC]

Actually he played decent, but the thing is, if we watched those qualifiers malayo yun game niya from his PBA game. Unlike Pogoy kase he wasnt consistent with TNT either so less expectation.

Oh, point taken on the expectations.

[JAMSKIE]

Thats Smart Gilas diba? Yeah he was shooting great at that time. But his recent stint was kinda forgetable in my opinion

Yeah, Lassiter with Smart Gilas-1 era was during the 2010 to 2011 period. He hasn't even reached his peak during that time.

I feel Lassiter would have made some difference with Chot's Gilas-2 team in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship & 2014 FIBA World Cup, specially since Jeff Chan struggled in the 2014 World Cup. Also, I feel Lassiter would have been very serviceable with coach tab Baldwin's Gilas-3 team in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championships. Baka nadisgrasya pa yung China sa atin in that championship game with the likes of Junmar, Lassiter, Tenorio, Japeth, Paul Lee & Chan in tow. But SMC as well as ROS didn't lend those players.

[IPC]

I wonder if Gilas is quietly scouting to look for more collegiate prospects. Hope the senior team can get as many good prospects as possible.

[JAMSKIE]

I wonder if Gilas is quietly scouting to look for more collegiate prospects. Hope the senior team can get as many good prospects as possible.

Its not a far fetched idea bro. Did anyone here at IBN or anywhere else see the recruitment of Ladis Lepalam coming? I think there are a lot of things going on with Gilas that are/were not announced to the public until it materializes.

[thatweirdguy]

Yeah, Lassiter with Smart Gilas-1 era was during the 2010 to 2011 period. He hasn't even reached his peak during that time.

I feel Lassiter would have made some difference with Chot's Gilas-2 team in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship & 2014 FIBA World Cup, specially since Jeff Chan struggled in the 2014 World Cup. Also, I feel Lassiter would have been very serviceable with coach tab Baldwin's Gilas-3 team in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championships. Baka nadisgrasya pa yung China sa atin in that championship game with the likes of Junmar, Lassiter, Tenorio, Japeth, Paul Lee & Chan in tow. But SMC as well as ROS didn't lend those players.

Not just Super ubo but Greg as well. I'm really disappointed with those 2. Remember when Barney wore na "Obey" t-shirt? Eff SMC. Who knew what we could have won if only we received the PBA's full support.

[mathematicianrcg]

I wonder if Gilas is quietly scouting to look for more collegiate prospects. Hope the senior team can get as many good prospects as possible.

pretty sure they are. some players will be hard to get though cause of politics and company rivalries

[IPC]

I bet Pinoy IBNers will have a different view of Jordan Heading if he's 2 inches taller even if he plays purely as a 2-guard.

I think I'm OK with Heading at the point, so long as he plays next to another player who can bring the ball up and be the primary facilitator.

RoS is implementing a similar system. Nambatac nominally plays point, but actually Gabe is the one being the facilitator.

[mathematicianrcg]

I think I'm OK with Heading at the point, so long as he plays next to another player who can bring the ball up and be the primary facilitator.

RoS is implementing a similar system. Nambatac nominally plays point, but actually Gabe is the one being the facilitator.

As for Jordan Heading.

Among the Pba Gilas Special Draftees. He is the only one who I think have a shot in having a gilas spot for 2023.

But because of his size, he will be in disadvantage.

I dont think he is talented enough to compensate.

I would prefer Kiefer, Bolick, Juan, and maybe Dalph as the point guard.

But we nwver know. As I said he have a shot, but a long shot

[IPC]

And Arvin was the best player, scoring 16 points. Nice to see him back on the rotation. Hope he still gets consistent minutes.

Pringle didn't play today, though.

Nice to see Arvin Tolentino play like that. How tall is Arvin? Is he a legit 6-foot-5? He's another good size small forward. If I'm not mistaken, Arvin was part of coach Chot Reyes' original "23 for 2023" Gilas cadet pool way back 2018. But since nasa SMC group na sya, he has become a forgotten member of Gilas.

He's 6'4"-6'5". In either case, that's tall enough for SF internationally.

Yeah, he was part of Chot's original 23 for 2023. His height, talent and knack for scoring makes him a tantalizing prospect for Gilas. Sad to say that now that he's with an SMC team, which like you said will make it kinda difficult for him to go to Gilas. And, while I like his talent, do we need him, especially considering that he just turned 26?

[JAMSKIE]

He's 6'4"-6'5". In either case, that's tall enough for SF internationally.

Yeah, he was part of Chot's original 23 for 2023. His height, talent and knack for scoring makes him a tantalizing prospect for Gilas. Sad to say that now that he's with an SMC team, which like you said will make it kinda difficult for him to go to Gilas. And, while I like his talent, do we need him, especially considering that he just turned 26?

Well, its always better to have deeper pool of good size forwards, small forwards in particular, in Gilas. Good to have Navarro, Dwight, Oftana, Kobe Paras, Ken Tuffin, Rayray Parks (possible Gilas call-up)in the pool for the february games of the 2nd window qualifiers for the 2023 World Cup.

[IPC]

Well, its always better to have deeper pool of good size forwards, small forwards in particular, in Gilas. Good to have Navarro, Dwight, Oftana, Kobe Paras, Ken Tuffin, Rayray Parks (possible Gilas call-up)in the pool for the february games of the 2nd window qualifiers for the 2023 World Cup.

Agreed, I'd like to keep our depth at that position, especially considering that SF was once our weakest position. Back then, we only had Gabe and Abueva as our SF options for Gilas.

I hope we can expand this pool of SFs further.

[IPC]

For now , Navarro has a better plus / minus in the Gilas than Kobe. Coach Tab will prefer Navarro than Paras and most fans will agree.

While I don't like using +/- for a lot of players, I agree that most would prefer Navarro over Kobe right now. Although Navarro's almost a total offensive liability, he can defend taller wings and quick players, and he's willing to do the dirty work. He brings good intangibles that Kobe has to learn.

[IPC]

still wondering why the PBA/Philippine basketball doesn't embrace the 3 point shot whole heartedly given that we are not that tall and today's generation are exposed to Curry, Klay Thompson, Dame Lillard, James Harden, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Durant etc.

What do you mean? Teams take more 3pt shot today than a decade ago. All teams can put a line up that all players can shoot from 3pt. Like SMB, put Mo in place of JF, now you have all players able to take 3pt. 4out and 5 out offense is common.

The only thing that need to be address is higher efficiency.

I noticed these following numbers for Gilas as well with regards for the 3PT attempt rate and 3PT%.

2019 WC qualifiers: .359 3PAr (292 3PA out of 813 FGA; 7th out of 16), and a 31.2 3PT% (91-292; 9th of 16)
2019 WC proper:.418 3PAr (143 3PA out of 342 FGA), and a 25.2 3PT% (36-143; 31st out of 32)
2021 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers: .376 3PAr (170 3PA out of 452 FGA; 12th out of 20), and a 37.1 3PT% (63-170; 5th of 20)

In the qualifiers, Gilas has been in the middle of the pack when it comes to 3 point attempt rate. It actually increased from 2019 to 2021. We're only 11 last qualifiers, because a lot of teams took more threes, which formed a bigger percentage of their attempts. Teams like SoKor, Japan, and Chinese Taipei had a 3PAr over .400.

We're already taking more threes. Making them would be good too. Hope we can still make them come FIBA Asia Cup and WC qualifiers.

[JAMSKIE]

Dwight Ramos' recent struggle in the B-league somewhat worries me as far as his development as a national team player is concerned. His overall performance in the B-league pales in comparison with his stellar performance in the 3rd window of the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers.